The Roy Kronk Connection- Opening Statements-Kronk takes the stand 2011.06.28

[katydid23]

So I just saw that new blonde mouthpiece for the defense, 'something Barringer [?] on Fox, Judge Jeneanne Show.

She pretty much spelled out the Kronk theory that the DT will go with.

So according to her, after the tragic 'drowning', Casey left the scene because George told her to go, because he was going to ' take care of everything.' No surprise, that they have her walking away with NO responsibility for any of the ugly aftermath.

And according to her, Kronk happens upon the body in August,just as the state contends.
But he 'had control of the body until December 11th, when he called it in to try and get the reward money. So according to the DT, nothing in that crime scene should be looked at legally because Kronk tampered with it and altered the scene.

So Baez is not going with Kronk being connected in any way with George or Casey, just that he was first to find the remains, and then he messed with the evidence.

Also, the Defense cosultant said point blank that ' George placed the body in the woods.' So they seem to be implying that George was framing his daughter.

So they go from George, 'protecting' Casey by covering the accident up, to 'framing' her, by planting evidence on the body and putting her in Casey's childhood playground.

 

[katydid23]

Didn't know about the pings. I think I heard somewhere that bodies are usually dumped in areas that the killer is familiar with and/or knows.

That's true, but not usually as close as 15 houses away. They looked at places like Blanchard Park and the little lake there, because it was familiar to her and close by. But they never thought she would put her at the very FIRST wooded area in her own neighborhood.

 

[Donjeta]

So George put the duct tape on the body? What did RK do to mess with the evidence, beyond reporting it several times?

 

[Steely Dan]

Please remind me: who is Hoover?

Robin to DC's Batman. He assisted DC and came out and took video of DC looking for the bag. Supposedly DC didn't want him to do that.

 

[pcrum12]

Agree -- That's the only scenerio I can come up with too. If he did indeed molest Casey it is highly likely he did Caylee too and wouldn't want that found out.

 

[DawnTCB]

Robin to DC's Batman. He assisted DC and came out and took video of DC looking for the bag. Supposedly DC didn't want him to do that.

:floorlaugh: LOL at that perfect description!

And I think it is interesting that DC says he was surprised to see JH videotaping, and claims that he told JH to "turn that thing off', but JH says he asked him to come along - he thought as a witness - and when he was videotaping DC was surprised but then said, "well of course you should videotape it."

And then asked him to come back for the second day of stomping potential crime scenes, which JH also videotaped. Holy confusing conundrums, Batman, whose story makes more sense? :waitasec:

BTW I found JH's deposition to be very believable after you get past all the parts where he is pretending that he's a super hero sidekick with a secret identity. I think when it came to the Anthonys he understood he needed to tell the truth and nothing but. I wish they'd asked him more about Brackenwood and less about the celebrities he allegedly was a bodyguard for. :sleep:

 

[SMK]

Agree -- That's the only scenerio I can come up with too. If he did indeed molest Casey it is highly likely he did Caylee too and wouldn't want that found out.

It is possible that this is what the defense will try and argue, making Casey appear caught up not in her own guilt, but her father's. The question is, would a jury consider this as a real possibility? Of course many people would consider this just one more outlandish lie, on par with Zanny. :waitasec: I suppose in this scenario, Kronk would be used simply as someone who may have unwittingly tampered with the crime scene, but had no real connection otherwise.

 

[Tiko44]

which came first...the recorded visit to the site area by the private investigator via the
"physic tip" or RK first visit to the site in August? If PI was first is that a reasoning for RK to look there in the first place?

 

[Hot Dogs]

Hoover was videotaping him. Supposedly against his will.

I think he planned to bury the body in that house if he found it and was checking for places to put it. JMO

How on earth was he planning to fully gather up a decomposed body in a dense watery swamp and then transport it to Brackenwood and then bury it without being seen or getting evidence all over himself and his vehicle, etc?

I just can't picture this guy DC saying "Yep, I'll do it. I could be caught or snitched and put in jail for a long time but I will do it."

 

[Hot Dogs]

which came first...the recorded visit to the site area by the private investigator via the "physic tip" or RK first visit to the site in August? If PI was first is that a reasoning for RK to look there in the first place?

The PI searches (Brackenwood Dr. house & Suburban Dr. woods) were in November.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think Kronk had anything to do with Caylee's death but I really wish the state had called as it looks like they are hiding something, to me, anyway, as one who knew nothing about Kronk except that he found the body in December, going into the trial. What JB said in his opening, true or not, sparked my interest and I want to know the whole story, i.e. whatever happened in Aug 08, etc...

 

[DawnTCB]

which came first...the recorded visit to the site area by the private investigator via the
"physic tip" or RK first visit to the site in August? If PI was first is that a reasoning for RK to look there in the first place?

The PIs came in August. And it is reasonable, IMO, to think they came because of a tip from MR (via Crimeline or LE, probably). They said they checked up on tips LE disregarded. Maybe this was one.

And I do think ICA thought someone could move the body for her and bury it elsewhere. Knowing what we know, of course, about decomposition and animal activity it seems ludicrous, but I truly, truly believe she thought two trashbags and a laundry bag would be sufficient to contain everything and someone could just scoop up that laundry bag and take it to New Mexico and dump it in the desert or something. I don't think she ever thought it would be strewn over a half an acre. After all, she scooped it up out of the trunk and carried it 20 feet into the woods. I think she figured after four or five months it would no longer be wet and stinky, but it would still be in a moveable bag, and somehow LA would make it disappear.

Shoot, even the PIs were opening closed bags, not looking at pieces of bags. They both say they were looking for remains, and both seemed to think they would be in a closed bag, not a shredded bag all over. I think it never occurred to any of them that if they found the remains they couldn't easily remove them if they chose to.

 

[DawnTCB]

Oh, and FWIW, I don't think DC and JH would have ever attempted to remove the remains. I think ICA assumed they would, which is why she told them where to go (somehow) but I think LA and CA wanted that baby out of the woods and properly buried and for the madness to end. When the PIs didn't find her I think that gave them another month of hope.

 

[Sabrina2011]

Do you think that is the "Secret" LE spoke about at the Caylee Memorial? AND who is he talking about C.M.A.

thoughts? does he know more??

(oops.. this is RK thread... i wrote about LE)

 

[Hot Dogs]

The PIs came in August.

I'm sorry I said it was November. My bad. Very bad.

 

[crucibelle]

I don't think Kronk had anything to do with Caylee's death but I really wish the state had called as it looks like they are hiding something, to me, anyway, as one who knew nothing about Kronk except that he found the body in December, going into the trial. What JB said in his opening, true or not, sparked my interest and I want to know the whole story, i.e. whatever happened in Aug 08, etc...

I couldn't agree with you more, cluciano! I am disappointed that it appears the state will not call Kronk, and it DOES make it seem like they have something to hide. I did know about all of Kronk's calls, and that whole situation has always seemed a bit hinky to me, not that I necessarily think he moved the body, mind you! It IS my opinion that he's not being completely honest about everything, however, and I don't think he'd come off as a very credible witness. Perhaps the SA know this (that he would not appear to be credible). On the other hand, maybe they are just attempting to spare him a grilling from the DT, as much as possible. I'm pretty sure he's on the DT's witness list, and he will definitely get a grilling, when called by them.

 

[SMK]

The PIs came in August. And it is reasonable, IMO, to think they came because of a tip from MR (via Crimeline or LE, probably). They said they checked up on tips LE disregarded. Maybe this was one.

And I do think ICA thought someone could move the body for her and bury it elsewhere. Knowing what we know, of course, about decomposition and animal activity it seems ludicrous, but I truly, truly believe she thought two trashbags and a laundry bag would be sufficient to contain everything and someone could just scoop up that laundry bag and take it to New Mexico and dump it in the desert or something. I don't think she ever thought it would be strewn over a half an acre. After all, she scooped it up out of the trunk and carried it 20 feet into the woods. I think she figured after four or five months it would no longer be wet and stinky, but it would still be in a moveable bag, and somehow LA would make it disappear.

Shoot, even the PIs were opening closed bags, not looking at pieces of bags. They both say they were looking for remains, and both seemed to think they would be in a closed bag, not a shredded bag all over. I think it never occurred to any of them that if they found the remains they couldn't easily remove them if they chose to.

It sure does seem that way, when she keeps telling Lee that "she's ok, and she is close to home" (which could be translated as code for, "the body is secure, and it is close by"). I don't know why she did not think police might see this and go looking more, and it appears they did not. But if she was hinting for Lee to move the body, he either did not get it, or did not want to. I cannot see why else she was stressing this.

 

[ynotdivein]

Interesting thread on Dom Casey's Nov. search of area near remains recovery + abandoned house nearby.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89229&page=18&highlight=Dominic+Casey+search+Suburban

 

[Hot Dogs]

Interesting thread on Dom Casey's Nov. search of area near remains recovery + abandoned house nearby.

It was November? If so, I retract my apology.

 

[Melanie]

So some innocent man 'finds' a dead child so he TAKES IT WITH HIM SOMEWHERE? He is going to risk being found with a dead body on him? WHY would anyone do that?

You know what's really absurd. Is Jose is going to say he did it to collect the reward to pay for his car. HUH? You find a body and they cut you a check at the site? No, it takes weeks, months, sometimes never, to get reward money - everyone knows that.

He found the body in December, 2008, yet only received a mere 5,000 in late June, 2009. Dang - that's a long time for his car to be in the shop if he needed the money so desperately.

The state is going to tear the DT apart on that silly theory. Not to mention the fact that RK went to an awful lot of trouble, legal fees, hiring an attorney, bad media attention - for a measly 5K. The Floridians have had to pay over 10K in legal fees just to defend this guy from the DT.

Note: Mark NeJame also gave Kronk $5,000 earlier as a goodwill gesture. Kronk also received a $20,000 photo licensing fee for a nationally televised interview after the discovery. Of course, Jose will pound this money into the ground as hard as he can. He'll come up empty IMHO. It's just not worth it to any sane person.

Former meter reader Roy Kronk has finally collected his $5,000 CrimeLine reward for his tip relating to the discovery of slain toddler Caylee Anthony's remains.

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/news/19894810/detail.html#ixzz1P5KXh7n3