The Sidebar - Harris Trial #2

[GA_Peach]

GA,

I JUST WATCHED THIS PRIOR to coming on tonight. I am in a complete flood of fury towards that man right now!!! I've tried to remain objective throughout, and have been on malice since the defense presented its pathetic case.

On this video: it looks to me in the zoomed up version that he stops, turns to the right watches the man (both the investigator and Vinnie see this and point it out) , then Ross moves forward a few paces, stops again, gets his phone up in classic selfie style, and DURING THE CLASSIC SELFIE STYLE turns again to the right at the man (Vinnie and investigator do not detect this one),then moves forward, puts down phone.

It's really hard to see that second (or is it third?) turn to the right in the selfie position, but I'm 95% confident I'm seeing another turn to the right. WHY DIDN'T THE PROSECUTION PRESENT THIS IN ZOOMED FORMAT??? If I was on the fence, I would be no longer.

After watching this video, in full zoom, I have decided that if he gets malice--which I believe even more now he will given the jury's reaction during this video according to people in the courtroom, I will be traveling to Ross's sentencing on behalf of Cooper.

Do we think sentencing will be held in Cobb? I swear someone said that the judge determines sentencing in GA, and if so, it makes most sense for it to be held in Cobb.

Here's my evening confession. Since hearing Dr. Brewer's testimony, I have believed that Ross was guilty of malice murder. However, Ross's return trip to the car at lunch was always the one data point against that theory. I had watched that video several times, and Ross always seemed relaxed at the car. He walked up to the car, kept his head above the frame, dropped/threw the light bulbs on the front seat, and returned to his office. I do not believe that he saw Cooper during this trip. Then when Ross stopped in the parking lot, it looked to me like he was fiddling on his phone. If Ross knew that Cooper was in the car, it would have been difficult to pull off that trip to the car without obviously tipping his hand IMO.

However, the blown up video changes that. Ross clearly turns back toward his vehicle a couple of times. I am convinced that Ross intentionally left him to in the car to die. MOO

Justice for Cooper!

 

[NCTeacher]

Hypothetical question:

If the jury gets hung... and the state retries. Can they change the charges to include death penalty?

After watching Vinnie's video, I'm up in arms---sorry. I know they won't change the charges, but in a hypothetical situation, could do they do that?

 

[monkeypants]

Here's my evening confession. Since hearing Dr. Brewer's testimony, I have believed that Ross was guilty of malice murder. However, Ross's return trip to the car at lunch was always the one data point against that theory. I had watched that video several times, and Ross always seemed relaxed at the car. He walked up to the car, kept his head above the frame, dropped/threw the light bulbs on the front seat, and returned to his office. When he stopped in the parking lot, it looked to me like he was fiddling on his phone. If Ross knew that Cooper was in the car, it would have been difficult to pull off that trip to the car without obviously tipping his hand IMO.

However, the blown up video changes that. Ross clearly turns back toward his vehicle a couple of times. I am convinced that Ross intentionally left him to in the car to die. MOO

Justice for Cooper!

:goodpost:

 

[Hope4More]

I hope the jury understands their instructions better than I do. Yikes. Close to one hour and fifteen minutes, time well spent if it helps this poor jury understand what they're supposed to do, but .....

It is interesting how segregated the felony murder charges are from the predicate CC felonies-- in the indictment, her discussion of the charges, and on the verdict form.


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It would be easier to see the connection between each predicate felony of CC and each charge of felony murder if written on the verdict form like this:


Child cruelty in the first degree. _____________________

Felony Murder. _______________________


Child Cruelty. 2nd degree _________________________

Felony Murder. ____________________


As opposed to:



Malice Murder

Felony Murder

Felony Murder

1st degree CC

2nd degree CC

 

[Hope4More]

Here's my evening confession. Since hearing Dr. Brewer's testimony, I have believed that Ross was guilty of malice murder. However, Ross's return trip to the car at lunch was always the one data point against that theory. I had watched that video several times, and Ross always seemed relaxed at the car. He walked up to the car, kept his head above the frame, dropped/threw the light bulbs on the front seat, and returned to his office. I do not believe that he saw Cooper during this trip. Then when Ross stopped in the parking lot, it looked to me like he was fiddling on his phone. If Ross knew that Cooper was in the car, it would have been difficult to pull off that trip to the car without obviously tipping his hand IMO.

However, the blown up video changes that. Ross clearly turns back toward his vehicle a couple of times. I am convinced that Ross intentionally left him to in the car to die. MOO

Justice for Cooper!

Watched it multiple times. I don't see what you see. I think the dude is on his phone checking his Whisper app, since he hasn't been able to for over an hour.

He arrived back at 12:45, takes him at least a few minutes to walk to his building, then back to his desk, but he's already sent multiple sexts, including perhaps the photos, leading up to the end of sexting at 1 PM.


Not to mention, makes no sense, imo, that he'd care if someone walked near his car. If he had wanted to make sure no one could see Cooper, he would have parked somewhere else. He would have known it was possible to see Cooper where he parked in the AM, yet over 3 hours had passed,. and no one had.


And, I don't see any reason to believe Cooper was still alive at lunch, no matter the dramatics of the ME on the stand discussing the moot results of a recreation that had zero to do with what affect the rising heat had on Cooper, just for starters.


Also not impressed with the panel's "certainty" about why the jury asked to see this video-- "malice is on the table!!". I think it's just as likely each video and the doll has been about evaluating LE credibility on key points.

In any case , the video seems only to reinforce standing opinions on guilt. Doesn't change my mind about what happened at lunch snd I truly don't see any evidence he cared about someone walking near his car.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I hope the jury understands their instructions better than I do. Yikes. Close to one hour and fifteen minutes, time well spent if it helps this poor jury understand what they're supposed to do, but .....

It is interesting how segregated the felony murder charges are from the predicate CC felonies-- in the indictment, her discussion of the charges, and on the verdict form.


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It would be easier to see the connection between each predicate felony of CC and each charge of felony murder if written on the verdict form like this:


Child cruelty in the first degree. _____________________

Felony Murder. _______________________


Child Cruelty. 2nd degree _________________________

Felony Murder. ____________________


As opposed to:



Malice Murder

Felony Murder

Felony Murder

1st degree CC

2nd degree CC

If I'm ever on a jury and they do a poor job explaining the charges I may be inclined to vote not guilty on that fact alone. JMO

 

[NCTeacher]

Watched it multiple times. I don't see what you see. I think the dude is on his phone checking his Whisper app, since he hasn't been able to for over an hour.

He arrived back at 12:45, takes him at least a few minutes to walk to his building, then back to his desk, but he's already sent multiple sexts, including perhaps the photos, leading up to the end of sexting at 1 PM.


Not to mention, makes no sense, imo, that he'd care if someone walked near his car. If he had wanted to make sure no one could see Cooper, he would have parked somewhere else. He would have known it was possible to see Cooper where he parked in the AM, yet over 3 hours had passed,. and no one had.


And, I don't see any reason to believe Cooper was still alive at lunch, no matter the dramatics of the ME on the stand discussing the moot results of a recreation that had zero to do with what affect the rising heat had on Cooper, just for starters.


Also not impressed with the panel's "certainty" about why the jury asked to see this video-- "malice is on the table!!". I think it's just as likely each video and the doll has been about evaluating LE credibility on key points.

In any case , the video seems only to reinforce standing opinions on guilt. Doesn't change my mind about what happened at lunch snd I truly don't see any evidence he cared about someone walking near his car.

Sorry, I see it. They say we often see what we want to see. Well I can say that did not apply here. I did NOT want to see him turn to the right, but he does multiple times. It just converted a long-standing Ross supporter I know, she used to argue with people night and day, and when she saw it, she broke down---and she definitely did not want to see the head turn but alas, she seen it.

Like I said though, perhaps he is checking the guy's rear-end out.

I find the panel, including the long-standing defense attorney, to be spot on.

 

[LyndyLoo]

If I'm ever on a jury and they do a poor job explaining the charges I may be inclined to vote not guilty on that fact alone. JMO

After watching trials for many decades..I have come to realize that it's the Defences JOB to confuse the jury..along with vetting juror's to find hugely sceptical personalities. Much is done to seek out those Skeptics or biased type's!!

Of Course it's prosecutions burden to prove their case..Beyond reasonable doubt never has been nor was BEYOND ALL DOUBT...thus Defence attempting to appeal to personalities that are sceptical!!

RH is a loathsome individual..and he crossed far too many boundaries to get away SCOT FREE...But the totality of the evidence certainly does prove far more than just forgetting...I have come to realize that RH is actually DIABOLICAL.. He exhibits a lot of characters of dissociative behaviour..While knowing how he must act in certain situations..He on the other hand is unable to control himself..so has been able to become like a "Chameleon "..able to appear or say one way..but in truth be totally opposite!

Looking forward to Jury's actions on Monday..

 

[PaperDoll]

I've been looking for that parking lot video where Ross is on the phone and may have looked back. Can anyone point me in that direction? :blowkiss: Is it the same video as when he pulls into work first thing? or lunch?


ETA: I found it.. trying to blow it up so I can see if he turns a bit. I do know he hesitates..

 

[Deleted member 39678]

After watching trials for many decades..I have come to realize that it's the Defences JOB to confuse the jury..along with vetting juror's to find hugely sceptical personalities. Much is done to seek out those Skeptics or biased type's!!

Of Course it's prosecutions burden to prove their case..Beyond reasonable doubt never has been nor was BEYOND ALL DOUBT...thus Defence attempting to appeal to personalities that are sceptical!!

RH is a loathsome individual..and he crossed far too many boundaries to get away SCOT FREE...But the totality of the evidence certainly does prove far more than just forgetting...I have come to realize that RH is actually DIABOLICAL.. He exhibits a lot of characters of dissociative behaviour..While knowing how he must act in certain situations..He on the other hand is unable to control himself..so has been able to become like a "Chameleon "..able to appear or say one way..but in truth be totally opposite!

Looking forward to Jury's actions on Monday..

I can't get over how the State put unrelated charges in with the murder charges. The most obvious reason to me was make sure the jury was angry enough at RH so they would vote guilty on all charges.

That tells me they knew they have a weak case for murder and needed to tap into the jury's emotions to overcome that weakness. JMO.

 

[Paige SC]

Does anyone have a link to the enhanced video they can share?

 

[minor4th]

Watched it multiple times. I don't see what you see. I think the dude is on his phone checking his Whisper app, since he hasn't been able to for over an hour.

He arrived back at 12:45, takes him at least a few minutes to walk to his building, then back to his desk, but he's already sent multiple sexts, including perhaps the photos, leading up to the end of sexting at 1 PM.


Not to mention, makes no sense, imo, that he'd care if someone walked near his car. If he had wanted to make sure no one could see Cooper, he would have parked somewhere else. He would have known it was possible to see Cooper where he parked in the AM, yet over 3 hours had passed,. and no one had.


And, I don't see any reason to believe Cooper was still alive at lunch, no matter the dramatics of the ME on the stand discussing the moot results of a recreation that had zero to do with what affect the rising heat had on Cooper, just for starters.


Also not impressed with the panel's "certainty" about why the jury asked to see this video-- "malice is on the table!!". I think it's just as likely each video and the doll has been about evaluating LE credibility on key points.

In any case , the video seems only to reinforce standing opinions on guilt. Doesn't change my mind about what happened at lunch snd I truly don't see any evidence he cared about someone walking near his car.

Vinnie is a drama queen and often wrong. IMO

Also, I think the state didn't zoom it in because it doesn't show that Ross turned his head or looked back. In fact, Stoddard essentially conceded that point at one of the pre-trial hearings.

 

[minor4th]

I can't get over how the State put unrelated charges in with the murder charges. The most obvious reason to me was make sure the jury was angry enough at RH so they would vote guilty on all charges.

That tells me they knew they have a weak case for murder and needed to tap into the jury's emotions to overcome that weakness. JMO.

It's playing dirty IMO. They knew they couldn't get a conviction without the inflammatory info to bias the jury.

 

[minor4th]

P.S. Even if Ross turned his head to look at someone, that in no way proves malice murder.

 

[Hope4More]

Sorry, I see it. They say we often see what we want to see. Well I can say that did not apply here. I did NOT want to see him turn to the right, but he does multiple times. It just converted a long-standing Ross supporter I know, she used to argue with people night and day, and when she saw it, she broke down.

I find the panel, including the long-standing defense attorney, to be spot on.

That's what the saying is, but that's not how it works in reality. I believe you that you see it. But isn't it the case you have believed him guilty of malice murder for a long while? Would you have been as likely to see what you saw if the panel discussing it had been unanimously of the opinion Ross was just looking at his phone, and that the jury wanted to see the video because they didn't trust Stoddard's interpretation of what Ross was doing?

Personally, I watched it repeatedly trying to see what others were seeing. I just don't. Perrhaps that is in part because I don't assign any significance to lightbulbs and a lunchtime trip to his car. If you read my posts, I think you'll note that I don't have a problem posting whatever tidbits I find/see/read that point towards malice, or at least, towards the possibility of some thing other than a plain vanilla forgetting or of FBS.

Not here, because I don't see it, literally or figuratively.


ETA-- you actually know a Ross "supporter"? As in, someone who feels sympathy for him and thinks he deserves to be acquitted on all the murder charges? Does this person think he should be acquitted on the minor chargs as well?

 

[PaperDoll]

P.S. Even if Ross turned his head to look at someone, that in no way proves malice murder.

Not in and of it self, but add all the other stuff up it does look very suspicious, well, to me at least, but I do find him guilty on all accounts. :blushing: yes I do!

 

[NCTeacher]

I've been looking for that parking lot video where Ross is on the phone and may have looked back. Can anyone point me in that direction? :blowkiss: Is it the same video as when he pulls into work first thing? or lunch?


ETA: I found it.. trying to blow it up so I can see if he turns a bit. I do know he hesitates..

If you go to 15:45-16:00 it shows the hesitation, couple of paces forward, stop for a selfie pose in slow mo. I can clearly see the turn in the hesitation (shoulder turn), but I think I also see a turn to the right (neck turn) during the selfie pose as well.

 

[PaperDoll]

His son is in that SUV dying or already dead, and Ross made a trip to that SUV to drop off lightbulbs. So when you see this other guy walking past Ross' SUV, Ross DOES hesitate, to me that looks pretty suspicious. Could he have been texting or checking his phone? yeah, but he could also be making sure that guy doesn't see anything unusual. Plus, Ross could have parked in another spot but I believe he wanted to make his day look like any normal day.

 

[NCTeacher]

P.S. Even if Ross turned his head to look at someone, that in no way proves malice murder.

Right, he could be checking the guy's rump out and he just so happened to be passing in front of the car his son was dying in.

 

[LyndyLoo]

I can't get over how the State put unrelated charges in with the murder charges. The most obvious reason to me was make sure the jury was angry enough at RH so they would vote guilty on all charges.

That tells me they knew they have a weak case for murder and needed to tap into the jury's emotions to overcome that weakness. JMO.

Please explain what charges were unrelated? Because RH committed these things that very same day..and Prosecution had to explain just WHAT RH has been doing that connects those dots.

Def. advocates constantly want to separate behaviour as inconsequential...However is RH's case.. His Aberrant behaviour ( Sexual Additional behaviour) had been around long before Cooper was even born! But his behavioural history is very much part and parcel of why he felt compelled to "Forget" his son within 180 seconds of bucking up and kissing that child!!

RH is mid 30's//He's no senior who could forget such a face to face with their child (grandchild).. RH has no senior "Forgetful moment" like seniors can....

I guess, you just cannot accept there are people out there who actually are incapable or putting their kids ahead of them..and that's your propagative....Unfortunately in my lifetime experiences in my mode of work..I learned to recognize "Dissociative Behaviours"..and very much understand it!

RH will not WALK Free after this trial..as he did go way beyond all social norms acceptable in the 21st Century... Children unfortunately never seem to be deemed as equal to adult s when it comes to justice. Slowly making headway..but certainly NOT equal even tho Kids are totally vulnerable :shame: