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[katydid23]

Respectfully snipped by me.

I go back and forth on this. On one hand, it appears that something happened at that Memorial Day weekend trip. JRH and LH stopped taking pictures of Cooper, saying he was too big even though they kept him in an infant car seat. He also started dragging his feet when planning for the cruise and in days before had clicked on a video about the dangers of hot cars twice.

On the other hand, I think Mr. Boring did a good job pointing out that JRH had tried to text JM that day and she didn't respond. I can see that becoming a trigger for him to impulsively decide to leave Cooper in the car in addition to the Whisper conversation he was having about escaping his family.

I think he had been PONDERING the possibility for awhile. But had not been able to actually do so, until spontaneously, impulsively doing so that morning. So that would explain all of what you described, imo.

 

[blue22]

Of course I don't expect you to name names but I would like a guestimate to how many on this forum you feel who have taken RH as his word as complete value. Honestly, for me personally, I have not seen one. I personally haven't even heard of anyone liking RH or his actions. Now I have heard and seen people on here that want RH appropriately charged and convicted and sentenced accordingly with supporting facts.

No one here likes Ross. But I have encountered several use the "he said it was an accident" defense. Agree to disagree. Literally dozens daily talk on these Cooper threads, I'm not going to guesstimate...I couldn't possibly! I don't make it a point to pay attention to handles, to be totally honest. But they exist and they are not shy on here. I never meant to make that part of my opinion a "thing." I was really just saying it's curious that RH can't be taken at value for some things, but can for others. I don't even care if someone takes him at his word. i don't even think it's wrong to have that opinion. I just find it interesting.

 

[Bravo]

I have sat in a couple trials. Details were not pleasant. Especially in the Victoria Stafford Trial. Here in Canada. I did attend the Bob Bashara Trial in Detroit as I am so close to Michigan. Family was there Mach 90. I had the honor of meeting them in both.

ETA- Victims Family so not a fair statement on my part. However the Mother of the male killer of Victoria Stafford was there. She gave a statement to the press and I was standing there. I voiced an opine after I heard what she had to say. Press turned to me and we went to my car. It was sickening what she said and I really did not have to justify what the Crown had proven.

 

[FinallyRegistered]

Of course I don't expect you to name names but I would like a guestimate to how many on this forum you feel who have taken RH as his word as complete value. Honestly, for me personally, I have not seen one. I personally haven't even heard of anyone liking RH or his actions. Now I have heard and seen people on here that want RH appropriately charged and convicted and sentenced accordingly with supporting facts.

Agreed. I haven't seen any "Friends of Ross" members hanging around. But for some reason, we are "sides".

 

[Bravo]

I think he had been PONDERING the possibility for awhile. But had not been able to actually do so, until spontaneously, impulsively doing so that morning. So that would explain all of what you described, imo.

Agree. Strongly. No if. It was the when . For me.

 

[Hope4More]

Yes. I have very strong feelings about sexual predators espeically when they prey on minors. The rest of the sexting stuff doesn't impress me much. Not does the rest of it cause me to have strong negative feelings about him. But minors? Hell no.

I hear you. There isn't a person here who has ever defended him on the minors charges, or who doesn't think him repulsive for whatever that was in him.

I just don't process any of that emotionally, same way for the most part, with great big exceptions, I don't process any trial on an emotional level. My interest in law and the legal process is intellectual. There's plenty enough in my real world of activism to get worked up about, and more than enough to exhaust me emotionally if I don't take those few steps back.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Yes, Ross told the EMT Cooper ate at home.

I don't know how knowing or not knowing about chickfila would confuse that. Ross said it, he heard it. Unless people think the EMT is lying, too.

???

I meant we don't know if RH just said he ate breakfast and it was just assumed by EMT or what. That was at the scene so possible confusion, we just don't know. Not saying anyone lying.

 

[blue22]

Agreed. I haven't seen any "Friends of Ross" members hanging around. But for some reason, we are "sides".

Again, I don't think ANYONE likes Ross. And I made a general statement, which you seem to take personally. Sorry about that. It wasn't personal. I really don't know what you, personally, believe or don't believe. I don't care to partake in a "side," but taking Ross at his word is something I felt curious about. NEVER did I say thinking Ross is innocent is just taking him at his word. SOME do take him at his word. Whether you do or not...no idea...and frankly I'm not concerned. (I don't mean that in a snarky way.)

JMO

 

[MsMtOlympus]

Hi all, I'm new in town. Nice to meet everyone! I've been lurking for weeks now as I've become increasingly obsessed with this awful, awful case. I really admire the intelligent, well-thought out opinions from all sides and look forward to contributing to this site. :greetings:

While I initially thought that Cooper's death was an accident (due to FBS, which I do believe is a valid syndrome), I am now leaning towards the "accident" being a completely intentional act (i.e. malice murder). A major factor in the tipping of the scales for me was viewing the video footage of JRH at the police station. He asks about the whereabouts of his vehicle which implies to me that he would have had no problem being released from the station and driving himself home IN THE SAME VEHICLE THAT HIS SON JUST DIED IN. If it were me, I would never want to see that car again. Period.


Also, JRH's confident posture and willingness to engage in small talk while being questioned by Stoddard raises red flags for me. And there is just something about the whole "I appreciate the courtesy" exchange that does not sit right.


Then again, I don't feel Leanna Taylor is responsible to any degree regarding Cooper's death despite her lack of emotion/bizarre behavior in the same video footage (when she calmly composes a text message to the lawyer friend in Alabama I got chills) in addition to LE reports of "no tears" upon notification of Cooper's death. I don't have an eloquent, fact-based theory on why JRH's strange behavior implicates him in my mind but not LT, I'm just glad I'm not on that jury as I can't even imagine how difficult these deliberations are going to be.

 

[just the facts pls]

I think he had been PONDERING the possibility for awhile. But had not been able to actually do so, until spontaneously, impulsively doing so that morning. So that would explain all of what you described, imo.

Very true. I also remember getting the impression from text messages that life was slowly becoming more and more unbearable for JRH as the weeks went by. I think you are right, this was a slow burning situation until he reached his breaking point.

 

[blue22]

I meant we don't know if RH just said he ate breakfast and it was just assumed by EMT or what. That was at the scene so possible confusion, we just don't know. Not saying anyone lying.

Know you're not saying that. I know it was testified he told the EMT, but I cannot remember which person testified to that. I think it was Piper and I know some of her testimony was not necessarily trusted. That's what I meant by the lying comment. I remember not being a fan of her testimony and if the EMT comment was in that testimony...it could be considered hinky.

 

[Hope4More]

I meant we don't know if RH just said he ate breakfast and it was just assumed by EMT or what. That was at the scene so possible confusion, we just don't know. Not saying anyone lying.

Supposedly the EMT asked RH that question when RH was in Piper's backseat. IIRC, the question couldn't be heard on Piper's recording, so we are to take the EMT's word for it that's what Ross told him. Came up in early LE testimony.

 

[EquallyDivided]

Hi all, I'm new in town. Nice to meet everyone! I've been lurking for weeks now as I've become increasingly obsessed with this awful, awful case. I really admire the intelligent, well-thought out opinions from all sides and look forward to contributing to this site. :greetings:

While I initially thought that Cooper's death was an accident (due to FBS, which I do believe is a valid syndrome), I am now leaning towards the "accident" being a completely intentional act (i.e. malice murder). A major factor in the tipping of the scales for me was viewing the video footage of JRH at the police station. He asks about the whereabouts of his vehicle which implies to me that he would have had no problem being released from the station and driving himself home IN THE SAME VEHICLE THAT HIS SON JUST DIED IN. If it were me, I would never want to see that car again. Period.


Also, JRH's confident posture and willingness to engage in small talk while being questioned by Stoddard raises red flags for me. And there is just something about the whole "I appreciate the courtesy" exchange that does not sit right.


Then again, I don't feel Leanna Taylor is responsible to any degree regarding Cooper's death despite her lack of emotion/bizarre behavior in the same video footage (when she calmly composes a text message to the lawyer friend in Alabama I got chills) in addition to LE reports of "no tears" upon notification of Cooper's death. I don't have an eloquent, fact-based theory on why JRH's strange behavior implicates him in my mind but not LT, I'm just glad I'm not on that jury as I can't even imagine how difficult these deliberations are going to be.

Welcome! Great post, those were definitely big red flags for me, also!

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[Hope4More]

hi all, i'm new in town. Nice to meet everyone! I've been lurking for weeks now as i've become increasingly obsessed with this awful, awful case. I really admire the intelligent, well-thought out opinions from all sides and look forward to contributing to this site. :greetings:

while i initially thought that cooper's death was an accident (due to fbs, which i do believe is a valid syndrome), i am now leaning towards the "accident" being a completely intentional act (i.e. Malice murder). A major factor in the tipping of the scales for me was viewing the video footage of jrh at the police station. He asks about the whereabouts of his vehicle which implies to me that he would have had no problem being released from the station and driving himself home in the same vehicle that his son just died in. If it were me, i would never want to see that car again. Period.


also, jrh's confident posture and willingness to engage in small talk while being questioned by stoddard raises red flags for me. And there is just something about the whole "i appreciate the courtesy" exchange that does not sit right.


then again, i don't feel leanna taylor is responsible to any degree regarding cooper's death despite her lack of emotion/bizarre behavior in the same video footage (when she calmly composes a text message to the lawyer friend in alabama i got chills) in addition to le reports of "no tears" upon notification of cooper's death. I don't have an eloquent, fact-based theory on why jrh's strange behavior implicates him in my mind but not lt, i'm just glad i'm not on that jury as i can't even imagine how difficult these deliberations are going to be.

:balloons::balloons::welcome:

 

[blue22]

Supposedly the EMT asked RH that question when RH was in Piper's backseat. IIRC, the question couldn't be heard on Piper's recording, so we are to take the EMT's word for it that's what Ross told him. Came up in early LE testimony.

Do you remember if the EMT testified to this, or Piper testified that that EMT said it? I seem to remember the DT objecting to Piper testifying about what the EMT said. Just trying to figure out who claimed RH said that without having to re-watch. If it were Piper relaying it, I would question whether it happened that way. No reason IMO to question the EMT, but I'm not sure about Piper...

I feel the same way about her as I do "going to see a movie with my friends" guy. Seems they both just wanted to be an important part

 

[monkeypants]

He had texted with at minimum 6 different females that morning. I vividly recall RH asking at least 2 of them to meet him that day. I could see it possible his plans were a potential hook up between leaving work and going to movie. Maybe that's why he took the route driving he took. Maybe why he was going to be a few min late to the movie. He wouldn't need to account for his time to his wife if she was picking up CH at LAA and she knew him going to a movie. On second thought now, not only was a hook up possible, it may even slide over to probable

Scheduled by the imaginary text,communication?

 

[just the facts pls]

A major factor in the tipping of the scales for me was viewing the video footage of JRH at the police station. He asks about the whereabouts of his vehicle which implies to me that he would have had no problem being released from the station and driving himself home IN THE SAME VEHICLE THAT HIS SON JUST DIED IN. If it were me, I would never want to see that car again. Period.

Hello and welcome!

Respectfully snipped by me. That's a good point, I hadn't thought of that.

If memory serves correctly, LE uncovered around eight digital storage devices from his car. I wonder if JRH wanted to start deleting things? IMO his behavior in the police station is like he was cornered. He seemed to be in panic and cover up mode, which is why LE had to ask JRH for his cell phone password twice.

 

[monkeypants]

I don't blame family for not being there. I wouldn't want to listen to such horrid information with the cameras zoomed on me. Just because they aren't in court, doesn't mean they aren't "there" for Cooper.

I don't think I could go and be destroyed by evidence on camera. I really don't.

Short of my son, brother, cousin,bff being a Jeffrey dahmeresque person, I would be there as support regardless of how embarrassing, negative or guilty I felt my family member was. You can love the person and not like/encourage/respect the act.

 

[DaleTray]

Scheduled by the imaginary text,communication?

No way to know. Maybe RH was going to do a quick stop by a glory hole. Or maybe he knew of a popular street corner/area for a 15 min stop while remaining in his car.

 

[Bravo]

I hear you. There isn't a person here who has ever defended him on the minors charges, or who doesn't think him repulsive for whatever that was in him.

I just don't process any of that emotionally, same way for the most part, with great big exceptions, I don't process any trial on an emotional level. My interest in law and the legal process is intellectual. There's plenty enough in my real world of activism to get worked up about, and more than enough to exhaust me emotionally if I don't take those few steps back.

I hear you and have totally respected every one of your posts. Even tho I am opposing. It's the beauty o f this board.