The Sidebar - Harris Trial

[PaperDoll]

Thanks all for the warm welcomes!! :blushing:

PaperDoll, that is a great assessment of Leanna's behavior and one which I couldn't quite articulate myself. I'm thinking that "Leanna in charge" mode was their standard dynamic throughout the relationship.

Thank you :blowkiss: and I agree, I think Leanna was the "take charge" person because to me Ross wasn't. I feel Ross is all about Ross and wanting to have fun etc. Not wanting to be responsible. Also when Leanna was on the phone talking to her mom regarding Cooper not being with them any more, her mom was hysterical (I felt so bad for her ;( ) and Leanna was trying to be strong and calm her mother down by telling her to pull over (I think she must have been driving). Fast forward, Leanna has now learned a lot more about Ross since this all happened. She must wonder if he did this intentionally, I know I would if I were in her shoes.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I too have noticed several rely on the "but he said it was an accident" defense. It was mostly during discussion of whether FBS fit. Granted, no one ever said they were "Team Ross" but I do recall being taken aback a time or two because of course he would claim it was an accident regardless of the circumstances. I just want you to know that you weren't imagining things, I read and perceived the same way as you.

Sent from my Nexus 5X

The way I remember it.

Everyone thought he was guilty of negligent homicide. But people did disagree about the premeditated part and felt that the state should have kept things more simple.

 

[Moxie Vi]

Huh? Must have missed that discussion, the one where anyone said they believed it was an accident because Ross said it was.

What I've seen here, for months, well before trial started, has been a non-stop analysis of what was known, whether or not what was known lined up better with accident or malice, and since trial began, whether or not the State has met it's burden to prove this was not an accident.

Don't understand, though, why anyone feels it's OK to question another's poster's right to think and post as they will, without having to defend themselves as not "LE-haters" or not "Ross sympathizers," or not knee jerk Ross believers, or not caring enough about Cooper, yada yada.

Sometimes people see things differently, that's all. Isn't that a good thing?

I wasn't as clear as I meant to be. What I meant was that in the discussions about FBS it was my understanding that in order for FBS to be possible the person would have to have a false memory of dropping the child off. When Ross was found with Cooper I would expect him to say that he thought that he dropped him off. Him saying that doesn't, to me, make the case for FBS any stronger because we can't trust his word. At that point in the conversation it appeared that the DT was going to rely heavily on FBS and at times Ross's proclamation was used to give validity to FBS.

I don't see where I told others how to think or post. I've followed this case since it happened since I lived less than a mile away at the time and I've read just about every post on every thread. I enjoy the differences of opinions on this thread because both sides are so well thought out. That's why I mentioned perception in my original post. I'd hate to tether anyone.

Back to lurking for me.

Sent from my Nexus 5X

 

[Hope4More]

Thank you :blowkiss: and I agree, I think Leanna was the "take charge" person because to me Ross wasn't. I feel Ross is all about Ross and wanting to have fun etc. Not wanting to be responsible. Also when Leanna was on the phone talking to her mom regarding Cooper not being with them any more, her mom was hysterical (I felt so bad for her ;( ) and Leanna was trying to be strong and calm her mother down by telling her to pull over (I think she must have been driving). Fast forward, Leanna has now learned a lot more about Ross since this all happened. She must wonder if he did this intentionally, I know I would if I were in her shoes.

I really don't think Leanna has ever believed Ross did this on purpose, and I really don't think she would have agreed to testify for the defense if she did. She didn't have to testify, and testifying must have been excruciatingly painful. Not just about incredibly private things like their sex life, but about Cooper. I can't imagine. It hasn't been long enough since Cooper died for her not to be shredded by watching videos of her baby, seeing photos of her baby, by having Boring suggest he was about to show her photos of the scene, omg.

IMO she testified because she believes Ross, and did this one last thing as the last thing she'll ever do for him, so she can move on altogether without feeling guilt, no matter what happens to him next.

 

[PaperDoll]

I really don't think Leanna has ever believed Ross did this on purpose, and I really don't think she would have agreed to testify for the defense if she did. She didn't have to testify, and testifying must have been excruciatingly painful. Not just about incredibly private things like their sex life, but about Cooper. I can't imagine. It hasn't been long enough since Cooper died for her not to be shredded by watching videos of her baby, seeing photos of her baby, by having Boring suggest he was about to show her photos of the scene, omg.

IMO she testified because she believes Ross, and did this one last thing as the last thing she'll ever do for him, so she can move on altogether without feeling guilt, no matter what happens to him next.

Yes, even though she testified for the DT, at some point I would think she must have wondered, MOO! However, she apparently tossed that out because in her own heart she couldn't believe he would do this to their child, but it did happen just like they both feared and on a hot day at that. It's hard to believe your spouse would do such a thing. yup!

 

[flourish]

Hi folks,
I've been following this case since day one, but haven't been able to watch the trial. I appreciate everyone providing great updates so I didn't feel like I was missing out.
I don't have much to add. I though he was guilty from the get go, but now I'm just glad I'm not on that jury because I just don't know.

I do think too much has been made about his sex stuff. I agree it could point towards motive. My issue is that some people seem to feel like the fact that his conversations were sexual in nature was "worse" than if he'd used the same amount of time, energy, and attention to business-related matters. To me, that seems like a misplaced moral judgement not a relevant argument for guilt.

I'm not a super prolific poster, but some of you probably already know that my only [biological] child (my stepson's my child no matter what anyone says) was killed by his dad many years ago. I was 22 at the time. I lacked an abundance of impulse control and healthy coping strategies. Plus nobody expects their child's other parent to fatally injure their child. There's nothing that can prepare a person for that situation. I was in crazy swings of shock, denial, anger, disbelief, irritability, extreme sorrow, guilt, utter confusion, suicidal ideation,
and just generally a freaking mess. I was also exhausted and sleepy and soon thereafter, medicated.

So you take all that crap making a Kalleidescope swirling in your head, and you're in a surreal, unfathomable situation. I couldn't concentrate on anything, so I'd say or do things like laugh at strange times and sometimes I didn't even know why because I wasn't even listening to what was going on in my environment and my head was so overwhelmed I couldn't even keep track of my own thoughts. So mostly I just slept and refused to leave my bed because that's how I roll.

My point is (finally, flourish!) I try really really hard not to make too much of how people act in horrific situations. Except Casey Anthony, because the pure glee on her face during those 31 days, especially the blue dress photos was just too consistent and inappropriate to let pass as anything remotely related to actual grief. I digress. But extreme stress and shock and horror does strange things to everyone, but not the same way for everyone. I guess I'm thinking more mom than Ross here. I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm rambling. This case gets to me, guys.

 

[monkeypants]

Hi folks,
I've been following this case since day one, but haven't been able to watch the trial. I appreciate everyone providing great updates so I didn't feel like I was missing out.
I don't have much to add. I though he was guilty from the get go, but now I'm just glad I'm not on that jury because I just don't know.

I do think too much has been made about his sex stuff. I agree it could point towards motive. My issue is that some people seem to feel like the fact that his conversations were sexual in nature was "worse" than if he'd used the same amount of time, energy, and attention to business-related matters. To me, that seems like a misplaced moral judgement not a relevant argument for guilt.

I'm not a super prolific poster, but some of you probably already know that my only [biological] child (my stepson's my child no matter what anyone says) was killed by his dad many years ago. I was 22 at the time. I lacked an abundance of impulse control and healthy coping strategies. Plus nobody expects their child's other parent to fatally injure their child. There's nothing that can prepare a person for that situation. I was in crazy swings of shock, denial, anger, disbelief, irritability, extreme sorrow, guilt, utter confusion, suicidal ideation,
and just generally a freaking mess. I was also exhausted and sleepy and soon thereafter, medicated.

So you take all that crap making a Kalleidescope swirling in your head, and you're in a surreal, unfathomable situation. I couldn't concentrate on anything, so I'd say or do things like laugh at strange times and sometimes I didn't even know why because I wasn't even listening to what was going on in my environment and my head was so overwhelmed I couldn't even keep track of my own thoughts. So mostly I just slept and refused to leave my bed because that's how I roll.

My point is (finally, flourish!) I try really really hard not to make too much of how people act in horrific situations. Except Casey Anthony, because the pure glee on her face during those 31 days, especially the blue dress photos was just too consistent and inappropriate to let pass as anything remotely related to actual grief. I digress. But extreme stress and shock and horror does strange things to everyone, but not the same way for everyone. I guess I'm thinking more mom than Ross here. I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm rambling. This case gets to me, guys.

:grouphug:

 

[JudyBolton]

Hi folks,
I've been following this case since day one, but haven't been able to watch the trial. I appreciate everyone providing great updates so I didn't feel like I was missing out.
I don't have much to add. I though he was guilty from the get go, but now I'm just glad I'm not on that jury because I just don't know.

I do think too much has been made about his sex stuff. I agree it could point towards motive. My issue is that some people seem to feel like the fact that his conversations were sexual in nature was "worse" than if he'd used the same amount of time, energy, and attention to business-related matters. To me, that seems like a misplaced moral judgement not a relevant argument for guilt.

I'm not a super prolific poster, but some of you probably already know that my only [biological] child (my stepson's my child no matter what anyone says) was killed by his dad many years ago. I was 22 at the time. I lacked an abundance of impulse control and healthy coping strategies. Plus nobody expects their child's other parent to fatally injure their child. There's nothing that can prepare a person for that situation. I was in crazy swings of shock, denial, anger, disbelief, irritability, extreme sorrow, guilt, utter confusion, suicidal ideation,
and just generally a freaking mess. I was also exhausted and sleepy and soon thereafter, medicated.

So you take all that crap making a Kalleidescope swirling in your head, and you're in a surreal, unfathomable situation. I couldn't concentrate on anything, so I'd say or do things like laugh at strange times and sometimes I didn't even know why because I wasn't even listening to what was going on in my environment and my head was so overwhelmed I couldn't even keep track of my own thoughts. So mostly I just slept and refused to leave my bed because that's how I roll.

My point is (finally, flourish!) I try really really hard not to make too much of how people act in horrific situations. Except Casey Anthony, because the pure glee on her face during those 31 days, especially the blue dress photos was just too consistent and inappropriate to let pass as anything remotely related to actual grief. I digress. But extreme stress and shock and horror does strange things to everyone, but not the same way for everyone. I guess I'm thinking more mom than Ross here. I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm rambling. This case gets to me, guys.

So very sorry for your loss! I cannot imagine

 

[blue22]

Yes, even though she testified for the DT, at some point I would think she must have wondered, MOO! However, she apparently tossed that out because in her own heart she couldn't believe he would do this to their child, but it did happen just like they both feared and on a hot day at that. It's hard to believe your spouse would do such a thing. yup!

I think she was never going to believe Ross was negligent, or had intent. That's how being co-dependant and a having a low emotional IQ works. (I think they both had/have these issues.) I think she divorced him, because of expectations. I have no doubt he ruined her life, but I'd bet she would still be with him if the media treated her differently.

JMO

 

[LietKynes]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-39...-arguments-jury-prepares-discuss-verdict.html

Ross Harris joked and even offered a fist-bump....

A fist-bump. Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.
When his son is dead.

He seems to be relieved to not have to be a father any more. I'll never understand some people.

 

[TexMex]

Just got back home.
Pizza night here

 

[La Louve]

Okay sidebarians, it's wine o'clock!

*opens Hillcrest Vineyards Phenom 2008 Umpqua Valley Cabernet Sauvignon*

ETA

Tex, that pizza looks yummy!

 

[MsJosie]

Just got back home.
Pizza night here

Oh that pizza looks good. I sure miss my Chicago style pizza made by Italians. It has been years since I had that. Thanks for the great pizza TexMex!

 

[minor4th]

Yes. I have very strong feelings about sexual predators espeically when they prey on minors. The rest of the sexting stuff doesn't impress me much. Not does the rest of it cause me to have strong negative feelings about him. But minors? Hell no.

I hope he gets the max sentence on the sexting minors charges

 

[Nana46]

I hope he gets the max sentence on the sexting minors charges

Me too! Disgusting that he did that.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I hope he gets the max sentence on the sexting minors charges

Did yall know that she could be charged as well. Because I think they now charge young teens with child for engaging and sending nude pics.

But I don't think they truly enforce it on all minors.

Idk. Just conversating here.

 

[flourish]

Okay sidebarians, it's wine o'clock!

*opens Hillcrest Vineyards Phenom 2008 Umpqua Valley Cabernet Sauvignon*

ETA

Tex, that pizza looks yummy!

Shout out to Umpqua! I could go for some Umpqua dairy rocky road right about now! (don't drink wine but miss Oregon)

 

[LaLaw2000]

I don't think anyone is begrudging him to ability to laugh or joke and force him to be solemn and condemned to be miserable every second every minute of every day. I think in this case it was a time and place issue....they just did closing arguments and said sad and awful things about him and accused him of murder of his baby. He is absolutely, without question, going to jail for quite a long time due to the minor charges. That should have been hitting him like this :bricks:
Instead the booming laughter mere seconds after he looked so devastated to the jury as the walked out the door was disconcerting. It's not rational within context.

BBM:

I am! I begrudge him the very air he breathes. Cooper cannot laugh, or joke, and I am positive he was thoroughly suffering his last moments. I do not want Ross to have the ability to enjoy another moment of his miserable, disgusting life! If that makes me an awful person, so be it.

 

[turaj]

just listened to the wanton question...not pro defense here at all but it just seems like the judge shut down there suggestion and really refuses to give them any definition...i think it important that the jury understand each word in these charges and I hate it when she just will not concede anything to the defense and has no explanation.

 

[Hope4More]

Seriously. OMG.