The SODDI Defense (Some Other Dude Did It)...If not KC, who?

[Clock's Tickin]

Defense does not have to provide any scenerio whatsoever. All they have to do is disprove any and all evidence put forth by the prosecution. Yes, it helps a jury to have an idea or two to mull over, but it isn't required. The key words are "reasonable doubt". Unless there is evidence not yet released (and I believe there is a lot we have yet to see) what has been handed over so far leaves a lot of room for a good defense team to create plenty of doubt. Aside from JB, KC's defense team looks pretty solid. I can hear them now explaining away KC's partying and giddy behavior since KC believed Caylee was safe. Trial is gonna be a helluva production!

 

[countzero]

The problem here is that KC has the legal right to hire/fire her own defense. Will she really let anyone go into court on her behalf and even hint at the possibility of guilt--mitigating factors or not!

Sorry to say this, but I think even KC is smart enough to have witnessed what is going on legal wise. I think if Andrea L has a one on one with KC, she can have an effect on KC. Question is, which way -- keep or fire.

And if KC via JB, is steering the SODDI bus towards her family and Andrea L convinces her that is in her best interest, then KC might go along.

The next couple of weeks will tell ........

 

[Balthazar]

The entire defense team, including Andrea Lyon, was on camera yesterday saying that Casey is INNOCENT, that there is NO CASE against Casey and that the DP was put back on the table for strategic reasons, not legally valid reasons. Andrea Lyon said she would be filing briefs regarding this in the next few months.

Based on these statements, it is apparent that Linda Baden,her expert witnesses and the entire defense team is confident that she can demolish the forensics in court. It is also helpful to the defense that the police in taking Casey into the infirmary to tape her reaction to the tape of Caylee's body being found have acted outside of normal procedulre, which may be found to be illegal by the court.

Based on all of this, clearly SODDI, is the defense.

 

[songline]

KC kept telling them everything was fine and they finally got tired of hearing it... "Far more here than we know," or... Maybe not, perhaps we know the bulk of it already and there just isn't any big conspiracy here.

As was so well put.
Freud: "Und zometimes a banana iss only a banana."

I can agree with everything accept the last line, while if it walks like a duck it must be a duck;
And more then likely would be....Hollywood is full of surprises, so I will give the defense a chance
to show its hand. You may be right in the end. I DO NOT THINK SO!
LIKE BILLY JOEL SINGS: "You may be right and I may be wrong".

Maybe we can get a new game up:
smilies - at the end of a trial where U get to send other posters:
Ribbons if they are right.
A Fence if they are on the fence. (that would be ME)
Scrambled Brain if they are wrong :laugh:
And a kiss to all for participating.

 

[USARDOG]

Well, I have often played both sides of the argument throughout this ordeal. I always land on Casey acted alone. My fella, on the other hand (avid conspiracy theorist) believes she is being railroaded just as in the JonBenet case.

The best defense strategy for KC with a SODDI story is the "IDK". She'd have to stick with "I dropped Caylee off with mystery woman that I met at the bar. She said she was a nanny. We partied together. I trusted her. She told me to meet her _____ and I did. IDK what happened after that and I couldn't face the world and say I left my precious daughter with someone I didn't really know. I felt sure they would turn up. I never saw them again. IDK how decomp ended up in my trunk, but the car was not always in my sight."

IMO, if you are an "avid conspiracy theorist" your going to find a conspiracy under every bush, I'm not see'n it. Watching cool KC at the pd being questioned, it's going to be hard to sell she was "pushed over the top."

Prob with your sod is she has already given a discription, told prople she has known z for either 4 or 6 years, told about her mother, sister... bla, bla, bla. So the pros will say, "So, were you lying then, or now," game over.

 

[countzero]

IMO, if you are an "avid conspiracy theorist" your going to find a conspiracy under every bush, I'm not see'n it. Watching cool KC at the pd being questioned, it's going to be hard to sell she was "pushed over the top."

Prob with your sod is she has already given a discription, told prople she has known z for either 4 or 6 years, told about her mother, sister... bla, bla, bla. So the pros will say, "So, were you lying then, or now," game over.

Are you - we, assuming KC takes the stand, if at all, to say she was lying (either now or then or both :crazy

One would think she would have to take the stand with the SODDI defense considering her previous, under oath, statements. Hummm, how many times can one be charged with perjury I ask.

 

[USARDOG]

Yes, I think you are correct, but she/someone would have to take the stand to put up the new, stranger "she met at the bar," as a target... err, suspect.

 

[Verité]

It is becoming clear that the avenue that Baez is going to pursue is that the police failed to investigate all suspects and focused on and arrested the wrong person. Unfortunately, polygraphs are NOT infallible and at best are only 70% to 87% accurate. . . .

No, from the logic and crystal-clear thought processes which I see reflected in the writings of AL, I can't agree that she'll submit to any gobbledygook SODDI defense.

I don't understand the point which you're trying to make with respect to polygraph examinations. How does that tie in here?

 

[Gaia713]

Are you - we, assuming KC takes the stand, if at all, to say she was lying (either now or then or both :crazy

One would think she would have to take the stand with the SODDI defense considering her previous, under oath, statements. Hummm, how many times can one be charged with perjury I ask.

No good atty would let his client take the stand in a case like this. Oops, sorry, Baez doesn't qualify imo. Casey probably feels she can manipulate ANYONE so she will want to take the stand. Think about it - she fooled her parents for years about IMPORTANT things like her pregnancy and her non-existent job. She's got Baez bamboozled, too. I'm sure her ego is telling her she can fool a jury too.

 

[Verité]

The problem here is that KC has the legal right to hire/fire her own defense. Will she really let anyone go into court on her behalf and even hint at the possibility of guilt--mitigating factors or not!

She's at the end of her trail of stubborn defiance (you know, the "I'm willing to take this as far as necessary" trail), or so she's being educated by some awesome experts.
I don't think any of them are willing to wind up with egg-on-the-face over a silly soddi defense. (After all, LKB recently lost Phil Specter's goofy defense that his victim
shot herself! I doubt she's ready for another defendant to make her sound ridiculous.) And Professor AL is fresh and ready to explain that this cannot be a DP case,
and TM will tell us that it was all the fault of ephedra (remember KC's Target purchases of 2 packs of Sudafed) or Xanex, and JB will be the cheerleader (his new role).

That's my defense strategy and I'm stickin' to it!

 

[Balthazar]

No, from the logic and crystal-clear thought processes which I see reflected in the writings of AL, I can't agree that she'll submit to any gobbledygook SODDI defense.

I don't understand the point which you're trying to make with respect to polygraph examinations. How does that tie in here?

Because it is apparent that Baez is investigating AH and JG. It is in their best interest and the best interest of the prosecution for them to be completely investigated to protect them from future allegations and to protect the prosecutions case from rebuttal by the defense.

I also want to point out that AL has already sat at defense table with Baez when he was requesting information on AH and JG and he said straight out that JG "was a suspect." Doing so not only indicates her approval of the strategy, she may have even suggested it. I also noticed that she's saying she's part of "the team" but she knows full well she is lead chair now and what she says goes. There is a lot more legal maneuvering going on here than the casual observer would recognize, IMO.

 

[Pattymarie]

Maybe that applies to us (sleuthers), but I betcha AL won't use the SODDI, especially with Calif. Atty. TM there with his expertise in accidental death,
medication aberrations, etc. And, we know that JB has flat-out rejected a defense of NGBRofI.



But, as a law professor, she wouldn't teach one thing, then do another. Too much loss of face for one who prides herself on being a legal scholar. Her writings sure prove
that she is a first-rate, clear thinker; in fact, she writes the clearest legalese that I've ever been able to fully grasp!

Since I'm trying to second guess the lady, I betcha she'll acknowledge KC's involvement with LOTS of mitigating factors. . .and that's why CA & GA were so upset in Court today, because they'd much prefer a SODDI defense.

I wonder if GA and CA will ever get to the point where they will not use their TV appearance fees to pay for the defense. Maybe one day they will just say "no more" and hope for a confession or a plea bargain to put an end to this insanity. (They have already been through "denial" and "anger..." this could signify "bargaining")

They looked desolate in court.

 

[countzero]

I wonder if GA and CA will ever get to the point where they will not use their TV appearance fees to pay for the defense. Maybe one day they will just say "no more" and hope for a confession or a plea bargain to put an end to this insanity. (They have already been through "denial" and "anger..." this could signify "bargaining")

They looked desolate in court.

I don't think CA/GA are paid for appearances, but paid for any video and photos. And most of the photos belong to KC IIRC.

CA wouldn't part with a plug nickel anyhow much less pay for JB and crew.

 

[Verité]

Because it is apparent that Baez is investigating AH and JG. It is in their best interest and the best interest of the prosecution for them to be completely investigated to protect them from future allegations and to protect the prosecutions case from rebuttal by the defense.

I also want to point out that AL has already sat at defense table with Baez when he was requesting information on AH and JG and he said straight out that JG "was a suspect." Doing so not only indicates her approval of the strategy, she may have even suggested it. I also noticed that she's saying she's part of "the team" but she knows full well she is lead chair now and what she says goes. There is a lot more legal maneuvering going on here than the casual observer would recognize, IMO.

As a casual observer, I probably miss a whole bunch of stuff that eagle-eyed legal scholars readily grasp. But what I've just learned from another thread about the
60 Minutes show revelation about the role of Professor AL in a false conviction case is enough to make my eyes pop outa my head.
Now that my idealization is over, I put nothin' past any of 'em at the defense table!

 

[Gaia713]

Because it is apparent that Baez is investigating AH and JG. It is in their best interest and the best interest of the prosecution for them to be completely investigated to protect them from future allegations and to protect the prosecutions case from rebuttal by the defense.

I also want to point out that AL has already sat at defense table with Baez when he was requesting information on AH and JG and he said straight out that JG "was a suspect." Doing so not only indicates her approval of the strategy, she may have even suggested it. I also noticed that she's saying she's part of "the team" but she knows full well she is lead chair now and what she says goes. There is a lot more legal maneuvering going on here than the casual observer would recognize, IMO.

One major problem with what the defense is attempting to do - they need EVIDENCE against JG. Just subpoening every phone record he has ever had doesn't cut it. JB has to be specific about the period in which he wants the records. Otherwise, JB will trace him back to the time he was able to dial a phone. And THAT's illegal.

 

[Gaia713]

Because it is apparent that Baez is investigating AH and JG. It is in their best interest and the best interest of the prosecution for them to be completely investigated to protect them from future allegations and to protect the prosecutions case from rebuttal by the defense.

I also want to point out that AL has already sat at defense table with Baez when he was requesting information on AH and JG and he said straight out that JG "was a suspect." Doing so not only indicates her approval of the strategy, she may have even suggested it. I also noticed that she's saying she's part of "the team" but she knows full well she is lead chair now and what she says goes. There is a lot more legal maneuvering going on here than the casual observer would recognize, IMO.

She may have been sitting at the table, but she hasn't been approved as an atty in this case yet. Leave it to Baez to announce her to the world before notifying the Judge and the prosecution. He is trying this case where?

 

[songline]

Cindy wouldn't mind if she was the SODDI being used. Just because they use it, doesn't mean she will be arrested and have to prove to a jury that she didn't do it. It just means SHE would be the one saving KC, if KC's jury believes Cindy did it and not KC.

IMHO there is only one reason she would not mind and it is connected to the foundation. don't ask me to explain what I mean but she is holding on to that foundation with all her teeth.
I have a feeling that foundation will sink, and she will be very sorry she did not go in the right direction.

 

[countzero]

IMHO there is only one reason she would not mind and it is connected to the foundation. don't ask me to explain what I mean but she is holding on to that foundation with all her teeth.
I have a feeling that foundation will sink, and she will be very sorry she did not go in the right direction.

How true .......

 

[Brini]

JB is kinda like KC. He makes statements and expects folks to believe him without proving it.

Kinda like the LE releasing all that info per the sunshine laws is leaking.

He is a BS artist wanta be.

Maybe he should be working w/ CA in a car dealership? ;-)

 

[Brini]

Well, I feel awfully sorry for AH and JG.

After this morning's hearing, I am utterly convinced that the police need to conduct a thorough investigation on JG and AH in order to RULE THEM OUT CONCLUSIVELY as suspects. Unfortunately, it's going to have to be like the investigation they did on Casey - cell pings, their whereabouts, everything they did, all their family and friends, employment history, vehicles and it's going to have to conclusively rule them out as suspects so much so that there is no question whatsoever of their innocence. If this is not done conspiracy theorists will endlessly come up with theories blaming one of them, which could impact their entire futures and Heaven only knows what Baez will come up with on them. Clearly the prosecution is going to have to request this kind of detailed investigation of these two in order to prevent Baez from using either of them to create reasonable doubt in trial.

I have no idea what the best way is to handle a problem like this if you are JG or AH. My intuition says they should make their lives open books. That is what I would do, if an attorney said I was a suspect in an open courtroom. I would allow investigation into the most personal aspects of my life, welcome it, in fact. So that I would not have to deal with a future mired down by conspiracy nuts proclaiming me the killer in a notorious murder case. I feel terrible for any innocent person who has to do something like this, but I really don't see any other way to handle the situation and protect their futures.

The already DID investigate and r/o GH.