The SODDI Defense (Some Other Dude Did It)...If not KC, who?

[RR0004]

The As did not kill Caylle, and Haleigh Cummings Dad is not getting a foundation nor does anyone else, it seems to me they set one up much later in the process - GA either knew them before somehow, or was contacted for a reason. I don't have all the details, But I am not digging my head in the sand. it smells all the way to NY

(sorry not sure who the above quote is from)

Just in response to this, all you have to do is go to the main page of WS, then google each case along with the word 'foundation' or 'charity'.

It was a while ago but, I think I found that all but 2 have set up their own foundations (some have multiple foundations), with links for donations, and merchandise for sale. And they dont get slammed the way the A's do. In fact there are a few who are regularly praised on this site.
No different from what most people who have lived through the trauma of losing a loved one to murder do, in order to feel like they are doing something worthwhile to heal themselves and help others.

Just curious how many thought to start it while "actively" looking for their "alive" granddaughter?

ETA: IMHO Caylee was never MISSING. I don't think you can compare this to "stranger abduction".

 

[RR0004]

She wasnt talking about caylee being 4, but a recent victim of an attempted abduction in orlando by an SO....
ETA: this is a perfect example of how misreading something can cloud your judgement.And how quickly people can rush to judgement even though they are WRONG!

Show me the investigations into locals SO's, and maybe we could show you some direct evidence linking the crime to them....or maybe we could eliminate them.
Either way we dont know, because KC has been the major focus of all evidence gathering from day 31.
Of course the evidence we have points to KC if that is the only person that was thoroughly investigated.
And way before any evidence was released in the investigation of KC, most folks had her pinned as guilty as sin and refuse to even consider alternatives and continue to twist the true facts of this case.
JMO

We don't know what LE has done or hasn't done behind the scenes. I'm sure in an effort to tie this all up in a neat DP package they have pursued many scenarios. Besides, The As had heir trusty PIs tracking people/leads down. Surely they must have come up with something...according to Cindy they're still at it. It'll be interesting to see what they've found.

 

[butwhatif?]

If some SO did this and KC kept her mouth shut so she could go party and cope ugly, then isn't she an accessory to Murder One? If all possible, not reasonable but possible, avenues are to be thoroughly investigated, then we can also blame KC for being so uncooperative as to give no verifiable information whatsoever as to the direction LE should look? Obstructing justice (lying to LE) is also a crime if I'm not mistaken. It's not generally one that innocent people use to further their defense.

If "true facts" are being twisted what exactly are these facts? Are they available to LE or the general public? If they exist, where can we find them and, more importantly, why didn't her defense use them to get her exonerated in a speedy trial and prevent the public from being "prejudiced" by them, spending less time on GR's boat and more time filing gag orders instead of fighting them?

If KC is so innocent then why has everything the defense done been counterintuitive to good defense strategies and counterproductive to the case?

If the SO theory held true then she is still guilty of negligence, hindering an investigation etc...... I totally agree....and she should be held accountable.


I'm talking about posters on different forums as well as media who have twisted facts, or stated things as fact when they have not been proven.I'll use the most commonly repeated ones as examples:

statement:human decomposition was found in the trunk.

fact: there was possibly a decompositional event that took place,but unable to eliminate the possibility that it was animal, as opposed to human.And the method they used is still in the experimental phase

statement: chloroform was used by KC on caylee to silence her, or was a byproduct or urine and pool bleach from KC drowning caylee deliberately or accidently.
Fact: traces of chloroform were found in the trunk of the car of which there are several possible explanations.
Statement: KC rode around with a dead Caylee in the trunk for days.
Fact: Nobody saw a dead caylee in the trunk, and human decomp has not been proven, so this remains a theory.

So all of the evidence that is supposedly the most damning is unproven, only possible at best.

And let me state for one last time: I dont think KC is completely innocent and a victim in this....not for a second. I also believe that KC could very well have pulled off the murder and coverup all on her own. I just dont rush to judgement without all of the evidence to make an informed decision.

And who knows about JB and his strategy.What I do know is he wanted to make a name for himself, and hes done it...just not a very good one.

And what does a shi**y defence have to do with her guilt? doesnt that say more about JB, than KC?

 

[butwhatif?]

Just curious how many thought to start it while "actively" looking for their "alive" granddaughter?

ETA: IMHO Caylee was never MISSING. I don't think you can compare this to "stranger abduction".

We can agree to disagree on the missing thing. If she wasnt missing what were all those searchers looking for?

 

[USARDOG]

If the SO theory held true then she is still guilty of negligence, hindering an investigation etc...... I totally agree....and she should be held accountable.

I'm talking about posters on different forums as well as media who have twisted facts, or stated things as fact when they have not been proven.I'll use the most commonly repeated ones as examples:

statement:human decomposition was found in the trunk.

fact: there was possibly a decompositional event that took place,but unable to eliminate the possibility that it was animal, as opposed to human.And the method they used is still in the experimental phase
[BA]

No, this is not as I remember this "Fact." As I remember it, it was definitly iidentified as human, but it could not be determined if the dead human was kc or Caylee based on the dna pressent.

statement[/B]: chloroform was used by KC on caylee to silence her, or was a byproduct or urine and pool bleach from KC drowning caylee deliberately or accidently.
Fact: traces of chloroform were found in the trunk of the car of which there are several possible explanations.
Oops, think your "fact" is a little off here. As i recall it, the level of chloroform was very high, not possible it came from bleach.


Statement: KC rode around with a dead Caylee in the trunk for days.
Fact: Nobody saw a dead caylee in the trunk, and human decomp has not been proven, so this remains a theory.

Oops again, your fact is a bit twisted IMO. No one saw a dead Caylee, true, but human decomp was definitly found in her trunk. Two seperate dogs identified it as human, lab tests confirm it as human... Your argument would have been more interesting if Caylee had not been found dead.

So all of the evidence that is supposedly the most damning is unproven, only possible at best.

Unproven at best I think you are engaging in wishfull thinking. The facts are strong, your argument does not represent the data as it has been released by the state.

And let me state for one last time: I dont think KC is completely innocent and a victim in this....not for a second. I also believe that KC could very well have pulled off the murder and coverup all on her own. I just dont rush to judgement without all of the evidence to make an informed decision.

I'm all behind you on this.

And who knows about JB and his strategy.What I do know is he wanted to make a name for himself, and hes done it...just not a very good one.

And what does a shi**y defence have to do with her guilt? doesnt that say more about JB, than KC?

(Red by me)

There is no evidence of anyone but kc being the killer of Caylee. If you know of any, please... bring it forth. Otherwise, where working on SOD's here, not reinventing evidence already on the table.

 

[countzero]

If the SO theory held true then she is still guilty of negligence, hindering an investigation etc...... I totally agree....and she should be held accountable.


I'm talking about posters on different forums as well as media who have twisted facts, or stated things as fact when they have not been proven.I'll use the most commonly repeated ones as examples:

statement:human decomposition was found in the trunk.

fact: there was possibly a decompositional event that took place,but unable to eliminate the possibility that it was animal, as opposed to human.And the method they used is still in the experimental phase

statement: chloroform was used by KC on caylee to silence her, or was a byproduct or urine and pool bleach from KC drowning caylee deliberately or accidently.
Fact: traces of chloroform were found in the trunk of the car of which there are several possible explanations.
Statement: KC rode around with a dead Caylee in the trunk for days.
Fact: Nobody saw a dead caylee in the trunk, and human decomp has not been proven, so this remains a theory.

So all of the evidence that is supposedly the most damning is unproven, only possible at best.

And let me state for one last time: I dont think KC is completely innocent and a victim in this....not for a second. I also believe that KC could very well have pulled off the murder and coverup all on her own. I just dont rush to judgement without all of the evidence to make an informed decision.

And who knows about JB and his strategy.What I do know is he wanted to make a name for himself, and hes done it...just not a very good one.

And what does a shi**y defence have to do with her guilt? doesnt that say more about JB, than KC?

My Dear Watson, seems you have written the script for LKB to follow!

 

[countzero]

And how did she get the script from the bad guys?

From the nanny and her sister of course! Going from memory here, IIRC, the nanny handed KC the script on paper while the nanny's sister took Caylee to the car while KC stood there reading and watching Caylee being put in her car seat.

Of course, even KC didn't expand on this one since even she figured it this was one story that wouldn't fly with the pigs. And, the piece of scripted paper mysterious disappeared with those flying pigs over JBP.

 

[Jolynna]

We can agree to disagree on the missing thing. If she wasnt missing what were all those searchers looking for?

Actually it seems that somebody DID know where Caylee was. The PI that used to work for Baez and that went on to work for the Anthony family somehow managed to find his way to Caylee's location with a spade and poking stick. Not ONE other searcher went looking for Caylee with a spade.

What are the odds that the one that did ended up right next to where Caylee's body was?

This coincidence, IMO, shows Caylee was not missing. Somebody knew where Caylee was and talked about it. Baez had enough confidence in the possibility of P.I. Casey finding Caylee to tell him not call call 911.

It is not just one thing that points away from anyone but Casey being involved.

 

[SoSueMe]

...
I'm saying that the defense definitely can obliterate the forensics - if they come up with the right strategy - it has been done in many, many trials by many, many defense teams. Will they accomplish it in this case? I don't know. Some defense teams have managed to accomplish this, others have failed. Some have done it on a scientic basis, others have done it using logic. Who can ever forget the closing arguements of the OJ case when Johnnie Cochran said "If the glove don't fit, you must aquit." With that one moment (and OJ having tried on the glove and it didn't fit), Cochran destroyed the prosecution. It didn't matter to that jury what LE, the forensic labs or the FBI put together for that case. The prosecution and every bit of their very credible forensic evidence was completely and totally obliterated in that jury's mind. Might a moment like that occur in Casey Anthony's case? It is very possible.

...

When intereviewed, some of the jurors in that trial said they could tell that the glove would have fit OJ. They knew he was spreading his fingers to make it look like it didn't fit. That trial had a ton of theatrics in it. IMO, you can't even compare the OJ trial to KC's trial because it's like apples and oranges. OJ's trial was jury nullification plain and simple. I doubt jurors in KC trial will nullify anything she has done. JMO.

 

[countzero]

I have no problem with anyone who firmly believes that KC didn't do it or who is from the defense team reading or posting on any thread on WS. If they have to come here to see what scenarios will hold up in court or to get a read on how the general population views this case, then this tells me they aren't very confident in their case preparation or the final result. Please, just don't pretend to care about Caylee.

Having this thread, SODDI gives alternative theories to what COULD have happened. But with these alternative theories make them fit with the current evidence that has been released and validated by LE.

No doubt with the release of future docs, the SODDI theories will change too and I am looking forward to either proving or disproving them because this is about Caylee getting justice not who can argue their point the best.

 

[Balthazar]

When intereviewed, some of the jurors in that trial said they could tell that the glove would have fit OJ. They knew he was spreading his fingers to make it look like it didn't fit. That trial had a ton of theatrics in it. IMO, you can't even compare the OJ trial to KC's trial because it's like apples and oranges. OJ's trial was jury nullification plain and simple. I doubt jurors in KC trial will nullify anything she has done. JMO.

Yes, I know about the "glove fakeout" with the OJ trial. Yes, I know Johnnie Cochran was a very theatrical attorneyCasey now has an attorney, Andrea Lyon, who is known for being quite a dramatic presenter - even crying in the courtroom. We have absolutely no way of knowing what will happen in this trial until it happens. As I have learned in over 30 years experience following this stuff, the most surprising and unexpected things can happen. JMO.

 

[Balthazar]

Princess Rose,

Please stop referring to Caylee as a 4 year old. She didn't even live long enough to reach 3 years old. Sorry, but everytime I see that I think you're talking about some other child.

What in the evidence available to us makes you think there was a sex offender involved?

Also, KC certainly has shown that she does know how to call 911.

I'm not referring to Caylee as a 4 year old. I am referring to another female child who lived a few miles from the Anthony's and was the target of attempted molestation by a SO - duct tape on the mouth, moved to the garage into a makeshift bed, trophies collected from around the house - all with the parents asleep inside. This is the story:

http://www.wftv.com/news/19489838/detail.html

I am fully aware that Caylee was only 2.5 when she died.

 

[yolorado]

Early on, as I recall, Cindy mentioned that if Casey were going to dump the car it wouldn't make sense for her to do it at Amscott which Cindy drove by every single day going to and from work. Frankly, the Amscott is a pretty public place on a very busy road. The car was parked on the left side next to the dumpster, clearly visible from the road in the large parking lot. Anyone driving by might have seen the car there and it is pretty recognizable with the "bra" on the front. In light of Cindy's comment, interesting that she didn't notice the car at the Amscot, particularily, when she was searching for Casey at the time.

Of course TL also knew where the car was parked since he picked Casey up at the car.

Does any of this mean anything? Probably not. But it just shows another opportunity for the defense to show reasonable doubt. The car WAS out of Casey's possession and control for 3 days.

And her daughter was out of her possession for 31 days. She's going to have to account for that. So far, she hasn't even come close.

 

[yolorado]

I'm not referring to Caylee as a 4 year old. I am referring to another female child who lived a few miles from the Anthony's and was the target of attempted molestation by a SO. This is the story:

http://www.wftv.com/news/19489838/detail.html

I am fully aware that Caylee was only 2.5 when she died.

So what you think might work is that some guy came into "Casa Anthony" in the middle of the night and took Caylee to the Sawgrass, J Blanchard and the beach, but...Casey didn't notice she was gone for almost a month when Caylee called to talk to her about books and shoes? And George said he saw Caylee the last time in the morning with KC when she left 'for work' because he was in cahoots somehow? Or, are you imagining this happened at Ricardo's, JG's or AL's or...where? But KC still didn't notice for a month.

Oh, and the 4-year old's parents called 9-1-1 in seconds.

 

[Balthazar]

And her daughter was out of her possession for 31 days. She's going to have to account for that. So far, she hasn't even come close.

I agree that is a problem with this theory. Could she have been so afraid of Cindy's reaction that she was in avoidance mode for the entire time?

 

[yolorado]

Interesting? If you say so... The car may have been "out of KC's control for 3 days," after she dumpted it, but I see it as her trying to have the car stolen so she could get rid of the damning evidence in the trunk... Now that... I find interesting. I see it kind'a like your saying... the gun was out of control of the shooter for 3 days after he threw it in the woods. Is it POSSIBLE someone found it in the woods, killed someone with it and then returned it to the spot they found it in...

Also of interest to me is what the security camaras will show.

As far as CA, she also drove by Caylee's resting place dozens of times and she didn't see that either.

If the decomp smell wasn't in the car prior to KC's dumping it, what was all her business about running over squirrels? She did or her dad did. Somebody did, and she was talking about the smell before the car was found. Hey, I know, maybe somebody put a dead body in the trunk between the time KC took out the gas cans to throw at her dad and when she dumped the car, and KC never noticed the car had been broken into. Maybe she she ran over some squirrels just before or after someone broke in and put the body in the trunk. But if she didn't think there was a problem with her car, why would she dump it? Or if she thought it was squirrels, why not go somewhere and have them removed? Maybe she wanted Cindy to find the car, because she knew Cindy would take care of the squirrels and clean the car, wash her pants, find her purse and put some money in it! Only Cindy wasn't as alert or aware as she'd hoped.

 

[MAMABEAR]

I'm quite sure LE has cleared the man of KC's dirty deed. That was probably the first thang they did. I member when I heard of him---maybe he killed Caylee----then LE never announced it so, I relaxed about that part. He probably got the idea of the duct tape from the Caylee Marie Anthony case.

 

[yolorado]

I agree that is a problem with this theory. Could she have been so afraid of Cindy's reaction that she was in avoidance mode for the entire time?

How does that work? I'm afraid of my mother so I'll just let my daughter be kept by scary strangers. Scary strangers are pretty safe anyway. Not a big chance that my 2 year old would suffer being away from everybody she loves in a strange situation. Probably not too much likelihood she's be raped, tortured, sold, murdered. Maybe the people aren't even scary. Maybe they're just ordinary, run-of-the-mill kidnappers. She's likely to call me to talk about shoes and stuff anyway. So, I just wait to report her missing indefinitely and party on. She's probably even having a nice time and learning lots with scary strangers or the nice kidnappers. Whatever. Just better that my mom doesn't hurt ME, ME, ME. Actually, that does sort of sound like "It's All About ME" KC.

 

[Balthazar]

Sorry to snip so much of a good post but I had to reply...

I know this is off topic and will be removed shortly after I hit submit but had to reply...

That's how the keys are in my house. One day I was getting ready for work and couldn't find my keys anywhere. I thought I had lost them, and my sexy man was at work. We chatted and after he looked in his pocket, twice, he realized both set of keys were on the table touching each other and he grabbed both thinking they were one set. I thought I was losing my mind b/c I know I saw them earlier in the day!

To make this on topic, crazy things can happen with keys...

That's happened at our house too! I was down on the floor searching under the table, dumped my purse out - did everything you can imagine to try to find them and sure enough, my husband had them with him at work by accident! LOL!

 

[Balthazar]

So what you think might work is that some guy came into "Casa Anthony" in the middle of the night and took Caylee to the Sawgrass, J Blanchard and the beach, but...Casey didn't notice she was gone for almost a month when Caylee called to talk to her about books and shoes? And George said he saw Caylee the last time in the morning with KC when she left 'for work' because he was in cahoots somehow? Or, are you imagining this happened at Ricardo's, JG's or AL's or...where? But KC still didn't notice for a month.

Oh, and the 4-year old's parents called 9-1-1 in seconds.

No, in this scenario, Casey doesn't think Caylee is with a stranger. What I am suggesting is that Cindy and Casey may have had a huge fight where Cindy said something to the effect of "one more thing and you are out of here." Casey, not having money/job/etc., being totally dependent on her parents was scared. As bizarre a story as this would seem, what if that night, a SO crept into the house, took Caylee, duct taped her mouth, took her shorts (as in the article I posted about), took some various items/trophies and took Caylee. Casey wakes up and Caylee is gone. She doesn't want her mom to know Caylee in inexplicably gone because she knows Cindy would go off the deep end. She thinks somehow she can handle it - that one of her friends took her to get back at her for something, not realizing the truth. Maybe Casey thinks Caylee has been taken because she stolen money from someone and they have been harrassing her to give the money back. So Casey decides she has to get out of the house so her mom won't know what's up. She makes up another story about a work trip.

Remember Casey had a lot to lose by calling 911 about this situation. She would be afraid of 2 things in this situation:
1. Losing her meal ticket and home (her parents)
2. Having police investigate and find out all the lies she has been telling everyone for years.
3. Having her parents find out she had no job and she was out partying at night and sleeping over with boyfriends
4. Having her parents realize that Caylee was with her sometimes when she slept over with boyfriends/partied, etc.
5. Being forced to get a real job
6. Her mom going for custody
7. Her mom possibly taking back the car that belongs to Cindy anyway.
8. Embarrassment in front of her friends and new boyfriend when all this comes to light
9. After not finding Caylee for a week, the conundrum of having to explain to police why she didn't call in the first place.
10. If Caylee had been with one of Casey's friends, a destroyed friendship that Casey may have valued for some reason, or perhaps Casey being reported to police and arrested for some crime she had committed.

So she "hides" out by staying with various friends and maybe calls around and tries to figure out which friend might have Caylee. But doesn't get anywhere.

By the time Cindy comes to get her at TL's, Casey is in even deeper with the lies. So she tells Cindy that nanny kidnapped Caylee thinking her mom will believe that - afterall her mom believes there IS a nanny. That's when Cindy makes the 911 call and Casey is now stuck between a rock and a hard place. She really doesn't know where Caylee is. She thinks it might be one of her friends, but can't get any info from them because they don't have Caylee. She's lied to police, her parents, everyone. So then she's stuck and gets arrested. At this point she gets an attorney who finally gets to the bottom of what is going on. He tells her not to talk to police anymore.

I know this is a very convoluted story.

Honestly, I think Casey is most likely guilty, but if I had to come up with a SOD theory today, that is probably what I would think had happened - but remember, I'm coming up with this without knowing anything Casey has told to Baez or much of anything about the defense case except that it's clear they are saying someone else did this, so that puts me at a huge disadvantage in identifying a SOD. This is my best guess with the tiny amount of information we currently have.