The SODDI Defense (Some Other Dude Did It)...If not KC, who?

[USARDOG]

Yes, I see it now, in an effort to rid the US of the Mexican mob, poor KC was working undercover, has been framed, and can't speak in her own defense without betraying her government who sent her into dangerous waters in the name of national defense!

Powerful forces at work here!

Boy, this SOD stuff is hard work!!!

 

[Brini]

I just came up with another unsubstantiated supposition of how SODDI, that would explain why KC does not tell (it is extremely distasteful though) KC wanting money of her own decides to let a child movie producer have her child for a few hours. Child is returned dead reeking of chloroform. KC puts her in trunk. KC is an accessory who also sold her child so she can not tell. producer hires sleazy attorney to keep everyone away from KC.

Well, we know who the sleazy attorney could be!

 

[songline]

In response to the part I bolded...

One of the strongest clues that Casey did it alone is the haphazard, sloppy way the crime was committed.

If Casey had had any assistance at all, she would have had a better story than the fake kidnapping nanny.

The victim was found BY Casey's parent's house with items from the house about 3 steps back in the weeds (sounds to me like somebody was afraid of snakes, spiders and getting stickers all over her clothes).

Casey left her car ALONE for days with body fluid & the victim's decomposing hair in the trunk, the address of one of her hideouts, a piece of paper with the name of the person she was hiding out with written over and over AND her dead daughter's car-seat & "mama" doll (along with the hair and body fluid those were BIG clues Caylee was no longer anywhere on this earth).


I am not seeing anything about the situation that points to Casey having help. It looks to me like she was as dimwitted at murdering as she was at stealing. She couldn't commit either crime without throwing crumbs trailing to herself.

I think you should read all of Princess Roses posts, because she expresses her thoughts far better then I do and she think just like I do.
Having said that....
Casey had assistance in the clean up for sure.
I do believe she also has some assistance in what she should be saying. If the BS strategy is 1/2 baked so be it.
Where the victim was found was also part of a strategy.
I do hope we find out more, but it is not in the investigators best interest to spell it out for us now.

 

[songline]

No, the best SOD so far is CA did it. She so hated KC that to get back at her, she killed little Caylee and framed kc.

 

[Brini]

THere is nothing nice or bed like about putting your baby in a laundry bag and then in a garbage bag and in your trunk with other garbage you stole from friends, hoping to steal credit card offers. There is no way the defense is going to admit that KC dumped the body in the woods, if they did that then it is over - because if she is admitting that much is true then the jury will not just believe one act over the other especially when weighing her other many many lies.

The defense DOES NOT have to prove another suspect beyond a reasonable doubt, they only need to offer up other people who had access to Caylee, the Anthony home, KC's car and no solid alibi. They can even suggest several people where NOT fully investigated, they can offer up leads that were never followed. They can explain her lies away with the excuse that it was the fear of a mother who lost sight of her child for a moment and suspected someone close to her was playing a game with her of showing her a lesson.

The defense can do lots to raise doubt.

But, they'd still have to explain away the 31 days, the elaborate lies, the DNA in KC's trunk, and her willingness to drive around in said trunk. Also her hearty partying while her child was "missing."

And, that leads back to a person who had ongoing access to her car, ongoing influence over her, and knew her neighborhood.

Doing an unfocused "ABSP" (anybody BUT Scott Peterson). Wouldn't sell for KC any better than it did for Peterson.

 

[songline]

One would have to explain Caylee's decomposing DNA in KC's trunk.

The SODDI wold have to have access to KC's car, and the ability to get her to drive around with Caylee's body in the trunk.

Just a thought, not sure....
Casey hardly ever went into the trunk, she did not know where the smell came from?
When GA wanted his gas cans, being they are all so clean people, she kept him at bay???

 

[songline]

how about someone stole KC car with caylee in it.....then it was returned with out caylee...but the car started to smell and KC found caylee in the trunk.... KC freaked and lost her mind.... she thought no one would believe her and she made up the nanny story....

Anything here is possible....

 

[Brini]

Well dear, you have outdone yourself, and certainly put the sod in SODDI!! Now you need to copyright it so that JB can't co-opt the entire thing and make it into some kind of defense. Something like Casey Anthony and the Half-Blood Prince...

He's prolly writing his brief, EVEN as we type! ;-)

 

[USARDOG]

Anything here is possible....

The perfect preamble for the SOD! Also known as the, "Would you believe..."

 

[Brini]

This man clearly could be a viable suspect depending upon his whereabouts at the time of Caylee's disappearance:

1. Duct tape on the mouth and arms and legs of a 4 year old.
2. Getting the child's shorts out, placing a pair of women's shoes next to the child.
3. Makeshift bed for the child in the garage - would love to know exactly what that consisted of! Could it have been a fabric handled laundry hamper and child's blanket?
4. Lives 3 miles from the Anthony home.
5. Annie Downing, in her deposition, said that Casey was afraid of being close to her bedroom window and didn't want Annie to be close to the window either on the sleepover when Casey was out on bail. This perp is known for peeping in windows.
6. Great deal of police interest in Casey's shoes following discovery of Caylee's body. Were a pair of women's shoes with Caylee? This perp has an interest in small female children and women's shoes.
7. Casey told her friends that someone was tampering with her car. She kept running out of gas - thought the gas gauge might be broken - might someone have been siphoning her gas to control her or put her into rescue type situations? She had two flat tires in one night in May - no clear explanation. Then her daughter disappears in June. Could this be used as evidence of stalking?
8. This guy had access to his victim's house - a great deal of access, apparently and collected up specific items for his sick fantasy.
9. Pedophiles have been known to use chloroform to subdue their victims.

And if you think about it, Tim Miller told everyone where Caylee would be found in a parental murder on national TV - within a few miles of home. If a pedophile did take Caylee, I'm sure he'd be watching the TV coverage to stroke his ego on what he had done and it would only make sense to dispose of the child's body in a way that would implicate the mother since she is the suspect AND he knows the area. If this guy was in Orlando and can't exactly account for his whereabouts in the time period Caylee disappeared I could see how the defense could use this perp to create reasonable doubt.

Honestly, as little sense as Casey and her family have made during this whole thing, if I were police, I would check this guy out in great detail regarding Caylee so that he could be ruled out as a viable suspect and not used by defense to create reasonable doubt. And if he can't be ruled out...well then, that's a whole other story.

Although the evidence we have seen so far really makes Casey look guilty, I keep reminding myself that there is a reason for that and that is because it is the prosecution's case and therefore, it is specifically aimed at pointing towards Casey's guilt. Any evidence that would point away from Casey's guilt would be discarded by the prosecution as a matter of constructing as strong a case against her as possible. I also recognize that the case is entirely circumstantial at this point. There is still no direct evidence. I do believe in innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. As tough as it is to remain neutral and impartial about this very emotional case, I am doing so.

How did the guy get KC to agree to drive the car, refuse to report her child missing, and lie endlessly to LE?

If one counters, "She lied to protect Caylee," how did the guy get her to CONTINUE to lie, after it was established that Caylee was dead? (Thus, in no need of protection).

How is he coercing her to refuse to tell what she knows, now that she has everything to lose and nothing to gain?

Lastly.... how did he make her enjoy all those parties, while her child was "missing?"

The vast majority of convictions are founded on circumstantial evidence.

 

[countzero]

Just a thought, not sure....
Casey hardly ever went into the trunk, she did not know where the smell came from?
When GA wanted his gas cans, being they are all so clean, she kept him at bay???

Ya know songline, I have a real hard time believing any words that have come from the A's concerning those dang 31 days unless it was told and heard by other non family members. The car being cleaned out, yes I believe it because LE said it was clean. But all these other stories, the fence gate, the pool ladder, the chase I am sorry but the A's credibility is shot to he!! for me.

As far as JB bringing a SODDI defense, well that is his job. Can't fault the legal system for that. It boils down to whether or not it is believable and creates reasonable doubt. Fortunately, the A's are making sure it won't.

I simply and plainly want the right person to be legally responsible and serve whatever sentence is imposed on them for Caylee's murder. Our justice system is the only one we have and I have faith that the SA's will get a conviction.

As others have mentioned, when the trial actually beings I am hoping that we will see a different KC when she and CA/GA are forced to sit and view Caylee on the big screen and listen to Dr G's findings and the rest of the forensic evidence. The SA won't make it an easy viewing either. No popcorn, fuzzy slippers, sippin' cola or iced tea will be passed around.

 

[Brini]

First of all, the State Attorney has the burden of proof....They MUST PROVE "beyond a reasonable doubt" that KC murdered Caylee.

The defense DOES NOT have the burden of proof. They ONLY need to show that the State has NOT met the burden of proof. They can say the pet dogs did it, and if they can get one juror to think that is reasonable, she will be found not guilty. I know this is extreme, but I use this example to make a point.

I started a thread a couple of days ago when Reyes was arrested for attempting to abduct a 4 year-old little girl whose mouth he covered with duct tape. I think the defense could try to connect this case to Caylee as SODDI. They will have to jump through many hoops to say why KC did what she did, didn't do what she should, why she lied etc, etc....but it really only matters that they can establish doubt in the mind of ONE juror.

They could say that KC left Caylee alone in the house asleep to run an errand (maybe she did that often), and she returned to find Caylee dead in the garage lying on a make-shift bed with duct tape over her mouth. KC doesn't know who did this or why. She only knows that the back sliding door was open, and someone had been in the house. She went into panic mode, knowing how CA would react and blame her for leaving Caylee alone.

She wrapped her up in blanket, placed a heart sticker on her mouth, and made a little bed for her in the clean laundry bag, placed her in her trunk and left the house to think of what to do next.

She had plans with Tony, and went ahead with those plans to try to "act normal." All the while she was trying to get ideas for what to do next. She rents the movies, which she either had already seen or knew of the plots with kidnapping of child, setting her plan of cover-up in motion. Meanwhile she blocked her mind by drinking, partying and sexing it up to convince herself that it wasn't real for moments at a time.

Not being a criminal-minded person, she carried the body in her trunk not knowing what to do, until the day that her father almost discovered the body in her trunk. She again went to panic mode and dumped the body. (Could just as easily say that she dumped the body when she ran out of gas looking for a burial site the day that TonE came to bring her gas.)

All of this would just be to create a reasonable doubt in the mind of ONR juror! I don't know if this would work, but I do think the duct tape on the mouth is a strange coincidence. I could make someone consider the defense theory if they can bring in enough experts to dispute to forensics put up by the State.

This is ONLY A THEORY.... I personally believe that KC is guilty based on what I know right now, but if the defense is able to dispute some of the critical evidence and offer another plausible explanation for why the State hasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt their case, I think someone on the jury could be swayed to believe SODDI, maybe! This is only a theory for others to think about. Remember, regardless of what any of us think of the A's and KC and all the lies and deception, the State still has the burden of proof, not the defense.

ETA: The defense does not have to put KC on the stand to use this defense. They just need to offer up the suggestion. They could do that by asking the detectives about other children who were abducted or attempted to be abducted by perp using duct tape. In closing statements they would be able to say what KC's part was in cover up does not make her guilty of murder. She isn't charged with accessory after the fact.

They still have to explain away the DNA in the trunk, the 31 days, the partying, the ongoing lies, and why she still won't talk, knowing that she's not protecting Caylee with her silence. Her actions have been more active than passive.

The evidence may be circumstantial, but all of it points to KC, and KC alone. And, most criminals are convicted with circumstantial evidence.

IMHO, JB would have a helluva time selling that scenario well enough, even to influence one juror.

 

[Brini]

I go with the accident/protecting family theory because even if she claims she had nothing to do with it, there's still that darn 31 days. She knew she hadn't seen her daughter in over a month, wouldn't that be neglect? She was "worried and pacing" and "afraid she wouldn't get to see her daughter again." I think the fact that she didn't report her daughter could be in danger would work against her. Just my opinion.

Particularly when paired with her apparent enjoyment of her social life, and the DNA in the trunk of the car that SHE was driving.

 

[Brini]

THere is nothing nice or bed like about putting your baby in a laundry bag and then in a garbage bag and in your trunk with other garbage you stole from friends, hoping to steal credit card offers. There is no way the defense is going to admit that KC dumped the body in the woods, if they did that then it is over - because if she is admitting that much is true then the jury will not just believe one act over the other especially when weighing her other many many lies.

The defense DOES NOT have to prove another suspect beyond a reasonable doubt, they only need to offer up other people who had access to Caylee, the Anthony home, KC's car and no solid alibi. They can even suggest several people where NOT fully investigated, they can offer up leads that were never followed. They can explain her lies away with the excuse that it was the fear of a mother who lost sight of her child for a moment and suspected someone close to her was playing a game with her of showing her a lesson.

The defense can do lots to raise doubt.

They can suggest all they want. But, doubt still has to be "reasonable."

Otherwise, KC's trial will go the way of Scott Peterson's.

 

[Brini]

all i can say about what i have read is that one or more of these soddi scenarios will be seen on a tv series in the fall.

l&O. ;-)

 

[Virtual Truth]

They still have to explain away the DNA in the trunk, the 31 days, the partying, the ongoing lies, and why she still won't talk, knowing that she's not protecting Caylee with her silence. Her actions have been more active than passive.

The evidence may be circumstantial, but all of it points to KC, and KC alone. And, most criminals are convicted with circumstantial evidence.

IMHO, JB would have a helluva time selling that scenario well enough, even to influence one juror.

Hi Brini,
Lucky for KC, JB won't be allowed to stand in front of the jury to present the case...not DP qualified. I guess it depends of who (new DP attorney) they get to represent her case.

 

[Rumpole]

You have a right to your opinion.
But between fantasy and theory is a very fine line.

As I have said.

A theory starts with some evidence. Is tested against what we do know.

Starting with "what if" with no evidence is just fantasising.

 

[Brini]

Cindy was worried and had warned Casey not to go to that park because of all the crimes happening there.

Serial rapists of adults tend not to be interested in children. And, the reverse.

And, what rapist of adults had ongoing access to KC's car?

 

[Brini]

Last night on NG they did that show focusing on KC's boyfriends.My hinky meter started going off a bit with JG.I have to say I have never suspected him of any involvement,but listening to some of what he said just gave me the heebie geebies.
He kept saying he couldn't reconcile the KC in jail with the KC he knew.He would never come out and say he felt she had killed,or even hurt ,Caylee.He talked about Caylee loving the playhouse and that would be THE place KC would put Caylee's body if something had happened to her.He thought that if she was in a panic after an accident the playhouse would be where KC would place her body.Who would even think to say that?
He also said he could see KC being so upset if Caylee died in an accident ,that she would make up a story in her head and go on as though everything was okay [paraphrasing]
He sort of kept on the accident idea[at least NG kept attributing that idea to JG].
IIRC he told LE he talked to KC and heard Caylee in the background well after it's believed Caylee died.
And then there's KC telling her parents to stay away from JG. Maybe because she thought he'd break under pressure?
Could JG have helped KC? and is trying to help her wiggle out of this?
Deep down I don't want to believe it.Maybe KC convinced him there was an accident and convinced him to help her.IDK but I have new questions after hearing all his statements together in one place.
The last thing I want to do is tarnish someones good name. I have a lot of respect for Jesse and his family.He really stepped up as Caylee's dad when he didn't have to. It's some of his statements that now make me wonder.Please convince me I'm way off base with my concerns!

Well, JG was cleared with, among other considerations, two FBI lie detector tests, covering six hours.

So, if he diddit, he's GOOD. ;-)

 

[Pattymarie]

Have I missed any posts where those who aren't convinced KC did it? Want to read them and their theories.