The SODDI Defense (Some Other Dude Did It)...If not KC, who?

[Pattymarie]

So even though the defense does not have to prove Some Other Dude Did It...JB, just be making his little comment about JG being a suspect is how he planned all along to interject this into the public mind.

 

[Gaia713]

I agree. I think they'll try a "Scott Peterson defense."

WEa ll know how that worked out for Scott.

 

[Spangle]

The SODDI case has to have some evidence. or the jury will laugh JB out of court. Who and what evidence?

JB is kinda like KC. He makes statements and expects folks to believe him without proving it.

Kinda like the LE releasing all that info per the sunshine laws is leaking.

He is a BS artist wanta be.

 

[Balthazar]

Well, I feel awfully sorry for AH and JG.

After this morning's hearing, I am utterly convinced that the police need to conduct a thorough investigation on JG and AH in order to RULE THEM OUT CONCLUSIVELY as suspects. Unfortunately, it's going to have to be like the investigation they did on Casey - cell pings, their whereabouts, everything they did, all their family and friends, employment history, vehicles and it's going to have to conclusively rule them out as suspects so much so that there is no question whatsoever of their innocence. If this is not done conspiracy theorists will endlessly come up with theories blaming one of them, which could impact their entire futures and Heaven only knows what Baez will come up with on them. Clearly the prosecution is going to have to request this kind of detailed investigation of these two in order to prevent Baez from using either of them to create reasonable doubt in trial.

I have no idea what the best way is to handle a problem like this if you are JG or AH. My intuition says they should make their lives open books. That is what I would do, if an attorney said I was a suspect in an open courtroom. I would allow investigation into the most personal aspects of my life, welcome it, in fact. So that I would not have to deal with a future mired down by conspiracy nuts proclaiming me the killer in a notorious murder case. I feel terrible for any innocent person who has to do something like this, but I really don't see any other way to handle the situation and protect their futures.

 

[Jolynna]

Yes, all of that is true - although I would say the Cullen Davis murders actually had a stronger case because two of the intended victims witnessed one of the murders, knew Cullen very well and actually identified Cullen as the murderer - and yet he got off scot free, declared not guilty.

At any rate, we are trying to figure out what the Defense is going to say in Casey's case - doesn't matter if it is true or not. We are trying to determine what the SODDI case might be.

I don't consider Cullen Davis an innocent man unjustly accused that was vindicated through his trial.

IMO, that was an example of why brilliant defense attorneys are worth every dime they earn. Racehorse Haynes, like Johnny Cochran made legal history.

Too bad about the innocents that crossed O.J.'s and Cullen's paths and that ended up being by the intended victims at the wrong time.

One thing that is different in Casey's case is that because of Casey's cell phone obsession and today's technology we know where Casey was when. O.J.'s and Cullen's prosecutors didn't have that.

MOO

 

[Jolynna]

I think they'll TRY for JG. But, LE cleared him to the degree that they shut CA up, the last time she mentioned him.

They have JG's six-hour polygraphs (two) and likely have HIS cell phone pings, as well.

I think KC tried to involve him (showering at his house, leaving the door open) (asking him to come to her with a gas can). He didn't bite.

The way KC was scribbling when Jesse came up in court, I am hoping he was not in some way set up.

It seems to me that even when Casey was first arrested that Jesse was still carrying a big torch for her.

I think the SODDI might be somebody like Jesse (or Cindy, George or Lee) that loved Casey and left themselves vulnerable someway. Or a lot of mud is going to thrown against some real person's vulnerabilities that Casey's defense team ferrets out (RK,Cain,anybody, everybody???).

JMO

 

[Balthazar]

I don't consider Cullen Davis an innocent man unjustly accused that was vindicated through his trial.

IMO, that was an example of why brilliant defense attorneys are worth every dime they earn. Racehorse Haynes, like Johnny Cochran made legal history.

Too bad about the innocent victims that crossed O.J.'s and Cullen's paths.

The good thing about Casey getting the undeniably brilliant new DP lawyer, is that should Casey be found guilty (and I think she will be), we can all feel comfortable that Casey deserves whatever sentence she gets.

MOO

Exactly. My point was that no matter how strong the evidence - even with two eyewitnesses identifying the murderer (as in the Cullen Davis case), a great defense team can debate the facts so the jury is convinced the evidence is weak.

 

[Spangle]

The way KC was scribbling when Jesse came up in court, I am hoping he was not in some way set up.

It seems to me that even when Casey was first arrested that Jesse was still carrying a big torch for her.

I think the SODDI might be somebody like Jesse (or Cindy, George or Lee) that loved Casey and left themselves vulnerable someway. Or a lot of mud is going to thrown against some real person's vulnerabilities that Casey's defense team ferrets out.

JMO

Cindy wouldn't mind if she was the SODDI being used. Just because they use it, doesn't mean she will be arrested and have to prove to a jury that she didn't do it. It just means SHE would be the one saving KC, if KC's jury believes Cindy did it and not KC.

 

[SoSueMe]

I thought LE got the pings for those 31 days?

Yes, I was implying that KC was the only one who knew where Caylee was for those 31 days. Prior to that time Caylee's whereabouts can be accounted for either through her parents, friends or the Grunds.

 

[SoSueMe]

Cindy wouldn't mind if she was the SODDI being used. Just because they use it, doesn't mean she will be arrested and have to prove to a jury that she didn't do it. It just means SHE would be the one saving KC, if KC's jury believes Cindy did it and not KC.

Do you really think CA will fall on the sword for KC? I'm not so sure she would. I do think CA will come up a lot in punishment phase of KC's trial if she is convicted. This new lady lawyer often uses abuse as an excuse in the punishment phase of her trials.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Do you really think CA will fall on the sword for KC? I'm not so sure she would. I do think CA will come up a lot in punishment phase of KC's trial if she is convicted. This new lady lawyer often uses abuse as an excuse in the punishment phase of her trials.

I think George would..

 

[songline]

For 31 days nobody went looking for CAYLEE. They definitely know she was gone.
But why she didn't report it still lets me think of a SODDI.
Why Caylees name went missing from their dialog also points to looking more deeply.
There is far more here then we know.
And I wonder how this attorneys moral compass is ??? :waitasec:
By looking at her, that woman has gone through a lot of miles. Now I will go review about her.

 

[Gaia713]

Well, I feel awfully sorry for AH and JG.

After this morning's hearing, I am utterly convinced that the police need to conduct a thorough investigation on JG and AH in order to RULE THEM OUT CONCLUSIVELY as suspects. Unfortunately, it's going to have to be like the investigation they did on Casey - cell pings, their whereabouts, everything they did, all their family and friends, employment history, vehicles and it's going to have to conclusively rule them out as suspects so much so that there is no question whatsoever of their innocence. If this is not done conspiracy theorists will endlessly come up with theories blaming one of them, which could impact their entire futures and Heaven only knows what Baez will come up with on them. Clearly the prosecution is going to have to request this kind of detailed investigation of these two in order to prevent Baez from using either of them to create reasonable doubt in trial.

I have no idea what the best way is to handle a problem like this if you are JG or AH. My intuition says they should make their lives open books. That is what I would do, if an attorney said I was a suspect in an open courtroom. I would allow investigation into the most personal aspects of my life, welcome it, in fact. So that I would not have to deal with a future mired down by conspiracy nuts proclaiming me the killer in a notorious murder case. I feel terrible for any innocent person who has to do something like this, but I really don't see any other way to handle the situation and protect their futures.

Why do the police have to do a thorough investigation of AH and JG. They were interviewed, took a polygraph and passed and there is no reason to suspect either of them. Did KC take a polygraph? Did ANY of the Anthony family? They zeroed in on KC because KC lied about virtually EVERYTHING to them and was caught in those lies. She left the child in a vacant apartment with an invisible nanny. When confronted, she led them to other fake addresses.

Of course, she wants to lead them to Amy. :She stole from Amy. What better way to discredit someone she stole from than to accuse her of something. Ditto for Jesse. Jesse and his family did nothing but love that childm yet the Anthony family and the defense team are trying to claim that HE is the SUSPECT. Cindy dislikes him because he stood up to her when she was picking on Casey; therefore, she immediately wants him to fry. How DARE he? How DARE Amy accuse KC of stealing money. The Anthony family has an agenda and it has nothing to do with Caylee. It's more about REVENGE. Cross Cindy and see what happens to you.

 

[Gaia713]

Cindy wouldn't mind if she was the SODDI being used. Just because they use it, doesn't mean she will be arrested and have to prove to a jury that she didn't do it. It just means SHE would be the one saving KC, if KC's jury believes Cindy did it and not KC.

I am curious why they haven't accused the homeless, and the Satanists yet.

 

[MarleneM]

Why do the police have to do a thorough investigation of AH and JG. They were interviewed, took a polygraph and passed and there is no reason to suspect either of them. Did KC take a polygraph? Did ANY of the Anthony family? They zeroed in on KC because KC lied about virtually EVERYTHING to them and was caught in those lies. She left the child in a vacant apartment with an invisible nanny. When confronted, she led them to other fake addresses.

Of course, she wants to lead them to Amy. :She stole from Amy. What better way to discredit someone she stole from than to accuse her of something. Ditto for Jesse. Jesse and his family did nothing but love that childm yet the Anthony family and the defense team are trying to claim that HE is the SUSPECT. Cindy dislikes him because he stood up to her when she was picking on Casey; therefore, she immediately wants him to fry. How DARE he? How DARE Amy accuse KC of stealing money. The Anthony family has an agenda and it has nothing to do with Caylee. It's more about REVENGE. Cross Cindy and see what happens to you.

:clap: You saved me a lot of typing. :blowkiss:Great post.

 

[USARDOG]

For 31 days nobody went looking for CAYLEE. They definitely know she was gone.
But why she didn't report it still lets me think of a SODDI.
Why Caylees name went missing from their dialog also points to looking more deeply.
There is far more here then we know.
And I wonder how this attorneys moral compass is ??? :waitasec:
By looking at her, that woman has gone through a lot of miles. Now I will go review about her.

KC kept telling them everything was fine and they finally got tired of hearing it... "Far more here than we know," or... Maybe not, perhaps we know the bulk of it already and there just isn't any big conspiracy here.

As was so well put.
Freud: "Und zometimes a banana iss only a banana."

 

[butwhatif?]

LE goes where the leads take them. Casey led them to her all by herself with no help from anyone else.

She was the last person to see Caylee alive and she gave them a phony name and location for where she dropped off Caylee. Given that, why would they look any further. It's up to the defense to find the SOD. The body was found in trash bags that are similar to ones in the Anthony household, in a hamper bag identical to one at the Anthony house ANDE in a location where KC used to bury her dead pets. There is absolutely NOTHING that would lead them away from KC - certainalyl NO invisible nanny

Sorry, but of course its LE's job to investigate other possible suspects. thats their job, and normal procedure.

Lets suppose she didnt contact LE because she was guilty of leaving caylee unattended while an SO abducted her, and she knew she would never hear the end of it from CA, who was already on her back about not being a good mum. And she figured that it would all sort itself out anyway. besides it gave her more time to hang with her man which was her priortity at that time.
Or maybe he offered to babysit and KC jumped at the opportunity.
Lets suppose that the SO entered the house, and that he got the trash bags, duct tape,and of course caylee.

Lets keep in mind that it has never been proven that a human was decomposing in the trunk of her car.its probable, but certainly not proven.

There is an SO that lives very close to the anthony home,and even closer to the site where caylees body was found. His home would give him easy access to the A's home, through the woods, without being seen by anyone.

This man has been convicted of multiple child possession charges, and was not incarcerated or even on probation at the time caylee went missing.(although I dont know if his preference was for young boys or girls)

If he was investigated, I havent seen it in any doc dumps. Why would the state not use investigation of people like this to bolster their case against KC?
"look we've ruled out all of the So's within a 5 mile radius. It wasnt them, which is why we are now focusing on the last person to see her alive and who has lied about pretty much everything. Her mother."
Her lies dont prove murder, since that was normal behaviour for her. She lied about everything to everyone. It didnt just start after caylees disappearance.

I think its entirely possible that KC killed Caylee, but i believe its just as possible that it was an SO. And unless LE investigated SO's, I cannot be certain that KC is responsible for Caylees death.
Maybe the SO I've been looking at was out of town at the time, which would rule him out, but since that hasnt been released (to my knowledge) how can we be certain it wasnt him?

Heres a map image of his location in relation to the A home, and body dump site.....

I started following the case one month after it all came out, so I missed the initial investigations.

If anyone can link me to investigations of SO's in the area, it would help me to believe in KC's guilt. (And if I have these doubts then its possible that a jury member would).
That is one thing that really holding me back from believing her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
At this point I believe she is 100% guilty of neglect,and hindering the investigation with lies and if that led to caylees death,either directly or indirectly, she needs to pay the price for it

All I want is for the perpetrator of this crime(whether it is KC, an SO or anyone else) to be held accountable and imprisoned so that they cannot reoffend and harm anyone else. Imagine if the focus on KC allowed an SO to walk free to commit further crimes against children.
On a seperate note...how on earth is a convicted SO allowed to live so close to a primary school? ARRRGGGHHH!!!

 

[Jolynna]

Sorry, but of course its LE's job to investigate other possible suspects. thats their job, and normal procedure.

Lets suppose she didnt contact LE because she was guilty of leaving caylee unattended while an SO abducted her, and she knew she would never hear the end of it from CA, who was already on her back about not being a good mum. And she figured that it would all sort itself out anyway. besides it gave her more time to hang with her man which was her priortity at that time.
Or maybe he offered to babysit and KC jumped at the opportunity.
Lets suppose that the SO entered the house, and that he got the trash bags, duct tape,and of course caylee.

Lets keep in mind that it has never been proven that a human was decomposing in the trunk of her car.its probable, but certainly not proven.

There is an SO that lives very close to the anthony home,and even closer to the site where caylees body was found. His home would give him easy access to the A's home, through the woods, without being seen by anyone.

This man has been convicted of multiple child possession charges, and was not incarcerated or even on probation at the time caylee went missing.(although I dont know if his preference was for young boys or girls)

If he was investigated, I havent seen it in any doc dumps. Why would the state not use investigation of people like this to bolster their case against KC?
"look we've ruled out all of the So's within a 5 mile radius. It wasnt them, which is why we are now focusing on the last person to see her alive and who has lied about pretty much everything. Her mother."
Her lies dont prove murder, since that was normal behaviour for her. She lied about everything to everyone. It didnt just start after caylees disappearance.

I think its entirely possible that KC killed Caylee, but i believe its just as possible that it was an SO. And unless LE investigated SO's, I cannot be certain that KC is responsible for Caylees death.
Maybe the SO I've been looking at was out of town at the time, which would rule him out, but since that hasnt been released (to my knowledge) how can we be certain it wasnt him?

Heres a map image of his location in relation to the A home, and body dump site.....

I started following the case one month after it all came out, so I missed the initial investigations.

If anyone can link me to investigations of SO's in the area, it would help me to believe in KC's guilt. (And if I have these doubts then its possible that a jury member would).
That is one thing that really holding me back from believing her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
At this point I believe she is 100% guilty of neglect,and hindering the investigation with lies and if that led to caylees death,either directly or indirectly, she needs to pay the price for it

All I want is for the perpetrator of this crime(whether it is KC, an SO or anyone else) to be held accountable and imprisoned so that they cannot reoffend and harm anyone else. Imagine if the focus on KC allowed an SO to walk free to commit further crimes against children.
On a seperate note...how on earth is a convicted SO allowed to live so close to a primary school? ARRRGGGHHH!!!

A couple of snags with a lone SO perp:

If a SO snuck into the Anthony home and grabbed Caylee, when did Casey get off of her phone or computer on June 16 to go look for her?

How did Casey know Caylee didn't wander out in the road and get run over? Or that Caylee didn't get seen wandering and get taken in by a neighbor? Or that somebody didn't see Caylee wandering by the road and call LE?

Even bad moms look for their kids and knock on doors so THEY won't get in trouble.

What is keeping Casey from saying Casey's disappearance was a random abduction if that is the truth? It makes her less responsible than if she GAVE Caylee to a person that she can't name until she goes to trial.

Imagine what would happen to any children Casey might have if SHE is allowed out of prison while she can still reproduce?

IMO

 

[Spangle]

Do you really think CA will fall on the sword for KC? I'm not so sure she would. I do think CA will come up a lot in punishment phase of KC's trial if she is convicted. This new lady lawyer often uses abuse as an excuse in the punishment phase of her trials.

What I am saying is that I think CA would be perfectly fine with the defense insinuating SODDI and that SODDI was CA. The Defense doesn't have to prove that CA actually did it.

LE would have to believe SODDI and that they have enough evidence to prove it, that they arrest the SODDI person and take them to trial. Not going to happen. So even if the defense team claimed that CA was SODDI, unless there is enough evidence to take her to trail, the LE wouldn't act on it. She wouldn't have to fall on the sword for KC. She wouldn't have to do anything but listen to the defense slander her in the court room. IF the jury bought it, then KC would walk free.

JB knows there isn't evidence to prove SODDI. Much less enough evidence to convict SOD. He just has to BS the jury enough to believe it.

 

[Balthazar]

Why do the police have to do a thorough investigation of AH and JG. They were interviewed, took a polygraph and passed and there is no reason to suspect either of them. Did KC take a polygraph? Did ANY of the Anthony family? They zeroed in on KC because KC lied about virtually EVERYTHING to them and was caught in those lies. She left the child in a vacant apartment with an invisible nanny. When confronted, she led them to other fake addresses.

Of course, she wants to lead them to Amy. :She stole from Amy. What better way to discredit someone she stole from than to accuse her of something. Ditto for Jesse. Jesse and his family did nothing but love that childm yet the Anthony family and the defense team are trying to claim that HE is the SUSPECT. Cindy dislikes him because he stood up to her when she was picking on Casey; therefore, she immediately wants him to fry. How DARE he? How DARE Amy accuse KC of stealing money. The Anthony family has an agenda and it has nothing to do with Caylee. It's more about REVENGE. Cross Cindy and see what happens to you.

It is becoming clear that the avenue that Baez is going to pursue is that the police failed to investigate all suspects and focused on and arrested the wrong person. Unfortunately, polygraphs are NOT infallible and at best are only 70% to 87% accurate. In addition, polygraphs can be beaten by someone who knows how - and the information on how to do this is available on the internet for anyone to learn. If the DA gets the investigation done BEFORE the trial it will prevent Baez from using either of these people to create reasonable doubt. If it is not done, Baez and Co. will take every opportunity to destroy the prosecutions case on this level and will create reasonable doubt because there is absolutely no physical evidence that directly ties Casey to Caylee's murder - at least there is none that we know of yet - there is still hope that the prosecution may be holding something back. It is a very unfortunate situation. We all know that a clever and talented defense attorney can get a guilty person off - Casey has a dream team. Linda Baden will rip apart all of the forensics and Andrea Lyon will defend Casey with everything she's got and she is formidable. The stakes are too high for the prosecution to not be 110% prepared before this case goes to trial.

And, one final thought, it is also apparent that Baez is doing investigating on his own - hence the request for their phone records/texts, etc. So who would you prefer to have investigating you? Baez and Co. or the police? Let Baez have the info. AFTER the police are done with it and certain of their innocence.