The SODDI Defense (Some Other Dude Did It)...If not KC, who?

[Phumi]

And I can not call that justice SORRY. I do call it a "rush to judgement"
I think it has to go to court - but with this new lawyer I will never believe a thing. if Casey gets off I will never know the truth.
If she left the baby in some bordello, or with some drug connected person while she worked and came back to a huge problem, (Her dad helped her out). If she did the deed and GA helped her out he belongs in jail too.
I think that is how that entire Foundation came about.
Someone did not want to be linked to Casey/drugs/sex, daddy helped clean up and got financial help in more ways then one, call it a foundation if you want (a foundation that will fail)
When it all begins to unravel in court and I think at the trial it just may, the truth will pop out.
But KC is very lucky to get his lawyer, she has credentials, but she is (lets a man rot in jail knowing he was innocent :bang

I don't understand how it's a rush to judgement. The initial arrest in July was for child endangerment and the lies she told the police. The arrest for murder came in October. With all the evidence pointing at one person, who can not or will not offer a reasonable explanation, the arrest seems to be the right course of action. The JURY can decide if the police are wrong.

 

[butwhatif?]

..in which case, she would have to know, and identify, who had the baby last. That's the only way she would feel safe enough not to report Caylee missing. So far, it's ZFG, whose existence is not supported by any evidence whatever.

Her big problem with any other scenario, like being "too embarrassed" to report is this. There are going to be parents on that, none of which would let a second go by without screaming for LE, if their child went missing. That's also the problem with the, "I thought I could conduct my own investigation," b.s.

Yeah but most parents dont have a pretend job, lie about everything in their lives, leave their child with just about anyone so that they can party, steal from family and friends, etc.

I doubt any of the jurors could imagine killing their own child and taping her mouth closed before bagging her up and leaving her decomposing body in the woods.
Jurors are unlikely to identfy with that behaviour either, so I dont really understand your point.
She's clearly not a 'normal' mum, regardless of if she is a murderer or not.

 

[cecybeans]

I don't understand how it's a rush to judgement. The initial arrest in July was for child endangerment and the lies she told the police. The arrest for murder came in October. With all the evidence pointing at one person, who can not or will not offer a reasonable explanation, the arrest seems to be the right course of action. The JURY can decide if the police are wrong.

Not to mention the fact that the only reason it ever came to light that Caylee was gone was that her grandmother finally called LE. Who knows how long she would have waited if someone had not intervened? She then refused to reverse the lies she told LE for a whole month while she was in jail. LE waited three months before charging her with murder.

The relatives of the Coleman family were upset it took a couple of weeks to charge the suspect. Although they may be seen as impatient, I doubt that if the Anthony family had actually suspected someone else they would have been any better. They would have been screaming for justice and wondering what was taking so long for the only viable suspect to be charged. They were already criticizing LE for not putting out an Amber Alert, even though nothing about the situation a month later would qualify.

If people are ready to say an attorney should ruin her career because she has knowledge that a man is innocent, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect the mother of a "missing" child not to wait a month before bothering to admit it, even if she says her life is in danger yet behaves as if she's on spring break? Is it reasonable to expect LE not to charge her with the disappearance of her child when she refuses to correct the nonsensical lies she spouted when she was caught?

 

[Brini]

And I can not call that justice SORRY. I do call it a "rush to judgement"
I think it has to go to court - but with this new lawyer I will never believe a thing. if Casey gets off I will never know the truth.
If she left the baby in some bordello, or with some drug connected person while she worked and came back to a huge problem, (Her dad helped her out). If she did the deed and GA helped her out he belongs in jail too.
I think that is how that entire Foundation came about.
Someone did not want to be linked to Casey/drugs/sex, daddy helped clean up and got financial help in more ways then one, call it a foundation if you want (a foundation that will fail)
When it all begins to unravel in court and I think at the trial it just may, the truth will pop out.
But KC is very lucky to get his lawyer, she has credentials, but she is (lets a man rot in jail knowing he was innocent :bang

Honey.. none of KC's "pings" led to any bordello. And. she wasn't working.

She mostly loafed at her parents' house all day, while they were out.

 

[Brini]

Yeah but most parents dont have a pretend job, lie about everything in their lives, leave their child with just about anyone so that they can party, steal from family and friends, etc.

I doubt any of the jurors could imagine killing their own child and taping her mouth closed before bagging her up and leaving her decomposing body in the woods.
Jurors are unlikely to identfy with that behaviour either, so I dont really understand your point.
She's clearly not a 'normal' mum, regardless of if she is a murderer or not.

Point is that NO story KC told/tells is likely to be accepted. Neither is any story told by her parents.

Aside from the large amount of physical evidence against her, her own behavior has put her well under suspicion.

And, the family's various stories, so far, would annoy and alienate all but the most gullible jurors.

 

[USARDOG]

I disagree completely. It's not like this was a tough nut to crack. I think any jury will see that KC is guilty. The cry of "rush to judgement" is an old standby when there isn't any real defense.

Bold by me.

My goodness Phumi, I think you have it!!! The SOD is an unknown SOD, brought on by a "Rush to Judgement." I'd be willing to bet that will be the defense.

We have seen ample evidrence here on this thread of people who are willing to push the idea this has been done, though I do not believe they actually think it, but for what ever reason are trying to sell other posters here on the idea. I do not for one second believe a jury will buy it either, but hey... Because her life is on the line, i'm betting she and the evil dream team are willing to give it a try.

Congratulations... I think you have done it, come up with the SOD defense.

 

[butwhatif?]

Point is that NO story KC told/tells is likely to be accepted. Neither is any story told by her parents.

Aside from the large amount of physical evidence against her, her own behavior has put her well under suspicion.

And, the family's various stories, so far, would annoy and alienate all but the most gullible jurors.

We know how much evidence points to KC. We just dont know if theres evidence that points to anyone else since it hasnt been included in the documents released so far.(or the little that has, has been very brief).

Isnt the point of this thread to look at other possible suspects that the defense could try to pin it on?

And I really dont appreciate the insinuation that if anyone doesnt have the same beliefs as you do that they are gullible. .Just because you believe something strongly doesnt mean you are right. doesnt mean you are wrong either......its an opinion thats shared by you and many others....But not everyone.

Jurors are instructed to have an open mind until all evidence is produced at trial, which is why someone with the same mindset as yours would never be chosen to sit on the jury.We are not even close to seeing all evidence, and most people made their minds up from day 31, and refuse to even consider other possibilities. You dont have to agree, but please dont disrespect the people who feel differently, or have a different way of looking at things.

BTW: many of us are not saying that KC didnt do it, we are simply offering other possible scenarios to be fair,to elimate them, and to be certain that the right person is behind bars for this horrendous crime.
JMO

 

[butwhatif?]

How could you possibly know who the police considered to be potential suspects?

Well it would make sense that LE considered the people that were questioned with a lie dectector test as possible suspects.

 

[USARDOG]

Well it would make sense that LE considered the people that were questioned with a lie dectector test as possible suspects.

KC herself has made it more difficult to suspect other people. She from day 31 said exactly who did it. Unfortunatly, they don't exist... That is a bit of a problem for a police officer trying to conduct an investigation... and sure points to the last person to see Caylee alive, her mother.

Now to their credit, they did consider other people, but when an alibi and with the full disclosure of any thing the police wanted to look at... what more could they do? It is unreasonable to think that when all evidence points to one person, no evidence points to anyone else... it is unreasonable to expect the police to investigate everyone in orange county.

 

[kwmred]

Well it would make sense that LE considered the people that were questioned with a lie dectector test as possible suspects.

I believe they volunteered to take those tests. Those trying to implicate them were not LE, but the A family.

 

[Brini]

We know how much evidence points to KC. We just dont know if theres evidence that points to anyone else since it hasnt been included in the documents released so far.(or the little that has, has been very brief).

Isnt the point of this thread to look at other possible suspects that the defense could try to pin it on?

And I really dont appreciate the insinuation that if anyone doesnt have the same beliefs as you do that they are gullible. .Just because you believe something strongly doesnt mean you are right. doesnt mean you are wrong either......its an opinion thats shared by you and many others....But not everyone.

Jurors are instructed to have an open mind until all evidence is produced at trial, which is why someone with the same mindset as yours would never be chosen to sit on the jury.We are not even close to seeing all evidence, and most people made their minds up from day 31, and refuse to even consider other possibilities. You dont have to agree, but please dont disrespect the people who feel differently, or have a different way of looking at things.

BTW: many of us are not saying that KC didnt do it, we are simply offering other possible scenarios to be fair,to elimate them, and to be certain that the right person is behind bars for this horrendous crime.
JMO

I said nothing derogatory about the folks on this thread, nor would I. I said a jury, except the most gullible, is not going to buy any theory that: 1) does not involve a real, living, person, and 2) against whom there is no evidence. "Maybe somebody else did it," in the face of all the evidence against KC, would not work.

I think a SODDI would be viable as a perp if we could name one, and provide evidence of involvement. Motive, method, and opportunity. How did the SODDI get the baby away from KC? How did the decomposition fluids get into KC's trunk? Why is KC continuing not to tell her "real story?" She can't be refraining to protect Caylee. Caylee is dead. The parents certainly do not appear to be afraid or in danger. They enjoy perfect freedom of movement Nor, would many people buy the idea that KC would sacrifice her life for GA and CA.

The evidence against a SODDI would have to be pretty compelling to overcome all the evidence against KC.

We can, of course, speculate all we want. But a SODDI who either doesn't exist, or against whom there is no evidence would simply not work in court. It would be another Scott Peterson disaster. He blamed hippie and satanists, IIRC. The jury did not buy it.

You're right, we don't know what other evidence LE has. But, we DO know that they haven't arrested anyone else. Hence, there is no evidence of anyone else's culpability or involvement.

We DO have JB's statement that KC has a story that will result in her immediate exoneration. But, if he had such, he could spring her from prison. Which, he has not been able to do.

So.. who is the SODDI, and what and where is the evidence?

 

[USARDOG]

So.. who is the SODDI, and what and where is the evidence?

your post edited by me with love.

IMO, the defense will be, SOD an unknown perp, has slipped through the cracks due to a "Rush to Judgment." Several witnesses will be presented to testify that KC was a good mother, couldn't have possibly done it. CA will say she deserves "Mother of the Year," and the defense will close saying they have proved KC innocent.

Then AL will step in and try to keep her off death row and will declare victory (20 for 20) when KC gets LWOP. Oh... and people will continue to send her $$$ for Cheetozz for years. Oh, Oh... I'd be willing to make a small bet that KC gets pregnant at some point while she is in prison.

 

[songline]

I don't understand how it's a rush to judgement. The initial arrest in July was for child endangerment and the lies she told the police. The arrest for murder came in October. With all the evidence pointing at one person, who can not or will not offer a reasonable explanation, the arrest seems to be the right course of action. The JURY can decide if the police are wrong.

Evidence pointing did not tie Casey to the deed. it was just pointing. I do not think anyone is looking for any SODDI
I think with the new attorney they will just try to confuse the entire case and get Casey off. ONLY OBJECTIVE.:furious:
Where is the justice for Caylee

 

[doobiedoo52]

The main problem I can see is proving KC is the ONLY one who could have done it. We have not seen any evidence that her fingerprints were on the duct tape as of yet and no actual evidence that SHE placed the body in the trunk. I still think she's guilty but the defense is going to argue that anyone could have access to her car. IF there is any fingerprint evidence we won't find out until trial probably. If LE has that then there's the direct link. Without it, there could be reasonable doubt. I think they will try to discredit forensics. They have no need to provide an alternate theory, just reasonable doubt---things like previous searches in the area the body was found with no results.

 

[trixi491]

Then AL will step in and try to keep her off death row and will declare victory (20 for 20) when KC gets LWOP. Oh... and people will continue to send her $$$ for Cheetozz for years. Oh, Oh... I'd be willing to make a small bet that KC gets pregnant at some point while she is in prison.

I can guarantee if KC spends life in prison she won't be getting pregnant. Apparently FL prisons do not allow conjugal visits :clap:

 

[USARDOG]

I can guarantee if KC spends life in prison she won't be getting pregnant. Apparently FL prisons do not allow conjugal visits :clap:

KC is not married... It's usually a wayward guard/prison employee, etc.

 

[Brini]

your post edited by me with love.

IMO, the defense will be, SOD an unknown perp, has slipped through the cracks due to a "Rush to Judgment." Several witnesses will be presented to testify that KC was a good mother, couldn't have possibly done it. CA will say she deserves "Mother of the Year," and the defense will close saying they have proved KC innocent.

Then AL will step in and try to keep her off death row and will declare victory (20 for 20) when KC gets LWOP. Oh... and people will continue to send her $$$ for Cheetozz for years. Oh, Oh... I'd be willing to make a small bet that KC gets pregnant at some point while she is in prison.

You could be right, honey.

Not gonna take that bet re: the pregnancy. That's one of the FIRST things that she is likely to do. For the attention. :blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

 

[Brini]

Evidence pointing did not tie Casey to the deed. it was just pointing. I do not think anyone is looking for any SODDI
I think with the new attorney they will just try to confuse the entire case and get Casey off. ONLY OBJECTIVE.:furious:
Where is the justice for Caylee

The justice for Caylee will be when the killer gets LWOP.

The 31 days and the decomposition fluids point directly to KC.

If LE found a dead body had been in your car, while you were driving it, whom do you think would be arrested? Particularly if you lied to LE every time you opened your mouth?

 

[Brini]

The main problem I can see is proving KC is the ONLY one who could have done it. We have not seen any evidence that her fingerprints were on the duct tape as of yet and no actual evidence that SHE placed the body in the trunk. I still think she's guilty but the defense is going to argue that anyone could have access to her car. IF there is any fingerprint evidence we won't find out until trial probably. If LE has that then there's the direct link. Without it, there could be reasonable doubt. I think they will try to discredit forensics. They have no need to provide an alternate theory, just reasonable doubt---things like previous searches in the area the body was found with no results.

Does "anyone" have access to your car?

If no, how could "anyone" have access to KC's car?

So.. WHO helped her, and where is the evidence? If there is evidence, why has no one else been arrested?

It's fun to think of a SODDI. But, who and what evidence still has to be part of the court presentation.

 

[Balthazar]

How could you possibly know who the police considered to be potential suspects?

Read the interviews of all the subjects that LE met with and consider if they are deeply detailed focusing on the subject being interviewed or if they focused on Casey. It is very plain that LE fixed upon Casey the day they first met her and focused heavily on her in all interviews. While they may have considered other suspects briefly, perhaps as conspirators, LE did not research others in the kind of detail they subjected Casey to. This is because they arrested her so quickly that she hired a lawyer and stopped speaking to LE. Unfortunately, situations like this can be used by attorneys to create reasonable doubt in juries minds.