The SODDI Defense (Some Other Dude Did It)...If not KC, who?

[Brini]

I have to admit I played Revolution #9 backwards...convinced I heard "Paul was dead". Of course, until I saw that he was very much alive. Sometimes it is what it is.

Number nine.....number nine......number nine....

You DATED some of us! :slap:;-)

 

[chefmom]

I have to admit I played Revolution #9 backwards...convinced I heard "Paul was dead". Of course, until I saw that he was very much alive. Sometimes it is what it is.

Hahaha! :dance:

 

[ShawnHS]

Reverse speech would not be admissible in court, and is not backed by science. It is a pseudoscience.

AFAIK most investigators would not use this in a criminal investigation.

Remember, there was a time when polygraphs were not admissible. If RS were to be admissible in court I would say there would be far fewer law suits. But I would think that judges and attorney's would be fearful of what could be revealed during a trial from their own thoughts, and therefore would be long time coming before they would let that happen.

I would say more than most investigators do not know that Reverse Speech exists. Those that do, like the Oregon State Police, have offered courses to train their officers in finding RS to aid in their investigations. If more investigators did use it as a tool to aid in their investigations I would think millions could be saved in taxpayer dollars by focusing on information revealed from potential suspects and witnesses.

By the way isn't this thread about presenting information that SODDI? not whether or not RS is used in court?

 

[ShawnHS]

I have to admit I played Revolution #9 backwards...convinced I heard "Paul was dead". Of course, until I saw that he was very much alive. Sometimes it is what it is.

What you are referencing is "backmasking" which is the intentional placement of speech in reverse. Which the Beatles intentionally put on some of their songs, and has nothing to do with the natural phenomena of Reverse Speech.

 

[Balthazar]

Remember, there was a time when polygraphs were not admissible. If RS were to be admissible in court I would say there would be far fewer law suits. But I would think that judges and attorney's would be fearful of what could be revealed during a trial from their own thoughts, and therefore would be long time coming before they would let that happen.

I would say more than most investigators do not know that Reverse Speech exists. Those that do, like the Oregon State Police, have offered courses to train their officers in finding RS to aid in their investigations. If more investigators did use it as a tool to aid in their investigations I would think millions could be saved in taxpayer dollars by focusing on information revealed from potential suspects and witnesses.

By the way isn't this thread about presenting information that SODDI? not whether or not RS is used in court?

Yes, it is and thank you for the fascinating information about reverse speech. I had no idea Oregon State Police took courses on it!

Anyway, back to the SODDI theories...

 

[trixi491]

I don't think her wallet and purse were left in the car. I believe her purse was among the belongings that LA picked up from TL's apartment the night that the police were called.

For some reason I remember GA saying in an interview with the FBI that he saw KC's purse and wallet in the car and was confused as to how she could have gotten into all the clubs without an ID? Maybe I am just imagining things?

 

[Gaia713]

It's the way LKB questions the State's experts and the people she puts on to refute the scientific evidence. In the PS case she used her own husband .Now that was dumb.

Sounds more like a bully than a lawyer. jmo

 

[Balthazar]

For some reason I remember GA saying in an interview with the FBI that he saw KC's purse and wallet in the car and was confused as to how she could have gotten into all the clubs without an ID? Maybe I am just imagining things?

Her wallet which included her ID was definitely at AL's - so that's how she got into all the clubs with her ID. Her brother retrieved it along with her other things the night of July 15.

 

[MAMABEAR]

For some reason I remember GA saying in an interview with the FBI that he saw KC's purse and wallet in the car and was confused as to how she could have gotten into all the clubs without an ID? Maybe I am just imagining things?

And LE ask GA if KC was drivin around without a dr lis. I member that.

 

[countzero]

For some reason I remember GA saying in an interview with the FBI that he saw KC's purse and wallet in the car and was confused as to how she could have gotten into all the clubs without an ID? Maybe I am just imagining things?

Now, did GA know that KC had another form of ID in the wallet that had the $200.00 +/- , when CA grabbed the cash and the PO grabbed the ID?

I am so hoping that ID has KC's photo and another name, not her's on it. And no, it has not been released in docs, only the fact that LE does have it, CA does not.

 

[RR0004]

What you are referencing is "backmasking" which is the intentional placement of speech in reverse. Which the Beatles intentionally put on some of their songs, and has nothing to do with the natural phenomena of Reverse Speech.

...a subliminal message all the same. I find RS fascinating...as is body language. I'm curious what you found with what JB has had to say. I know there is a thread entitled "backward state site"...not sure if they discuss speech reversal though. Gonna take a peak.

 

[Balthazar]

Now, did GA know that KC had another form of ID in the wallet that had the $200.00 +/- , when CA grabbed the cash and the PO grabbed the ID?

I am so hoping that ID has KC's photo and another name, not her's on it. And no, it has not been released in docs, only the fact that LE does have it, CA does not.

It was a white card that was behind Casey's ID, but we have no idea what it was. I've sometimes wondered if it was a police officer's business card. I have heard that if you were friends with a police officer, he would give you his card and if you were stopped for a minor traffic violation and showed the card to the police officer, he wouldn't ticket you. Yes, this is unethical, but I do know it was going on years ago in one city I have lived in because I had a friend who was dating a police officer and she told me about it. I have no idea if this has been going on in Orlando, but it's just one of many thoughts I have had as to what that card might have been. If you think about it, it would make sense to put that card right behind your driver's license. I imagine that if a police officer was taking in evidence in a possible kidnapping or homicide and saw such a card, they would take it away quickly to protect a fellow officer. And we do know that Casey had "dated" lots of police officers.

 

[RR0004]

Now, did GA know that KC had another form of ID in the wallet that had the $200.00 +/- , when CA grabbed the cash and the PO grabbed the ID?

I am so hoping that ID has KC's photo and another name, not her's on it. And no, it has not been released in docs, only the fact that LE does have it, CA does not.

Hmm...curious. If you go back and watch Casey in the room at the station after she was indicted...the police officer asked her when she got it cut...I thought it was a weird question, but assumed he was referring to her hair. There was something on the table...now I'll have to go back and watch again. This all was when they were waiting for JB to come 'cause Casey decided she was willing to talk.

 

[RR0004]

It was a white card that was behind Casey's ID, but we have no idea what it was. I've sometimes wondered if it was a police officer's business card. I have heard that if you were friends with a police officer, he would give you his card and if you were stopped for a minor traffic violation and showed the card to the police officer, he wouldn't ticket you. Yes, this is unethical, but I do know it was going on years ago in one city I have lived in because I had a friend who was dating a police officer and she told me about it. I have no idea if this has been going on in Orlando, but it's just one of many thoughts I have had as to what that card might have been. If you think about it, it would make sense to put that card right behind your driver's license. I imagine that if a police officer was taking in evidence in a possible kidnapping or homicide and saw such a card, they would take it away quickly to protect a fellow officer. And we do know that Casey had "dated" lots of police officers.

It could have been a PBA card. I was told to put it in my windshield.

 

[countzero]

It was a white card that was behind Casey's ID, but we have no idea what it was. I've sometimes wondered if it was a police officer's business card. I have heard that if you were friends with a police officer, he would give you his card and if you were stopped for a minor traffic violation and showed the card to the police officer, he wouldn't ticket you. Yes, this is unethical, but I do know it was going on years ago in one city I have lived in because I had a friend who was dating a police officer and she told me about it. I have no idea if this has been going on in Orlando, but it's just one of many thoughts I have had as to what that card might have been. If you think about it, it would make sense to put that card right behind your driver's license. I imagine that if a police officer was taking in evidence in a possible kidnapping or homicide and saw such a card, they would take it away quickly to protect a fellow officer. And we do know that Casey had "dated" lots of police officers.

Sorry, don't think it was any type of business card. CA "grabbed" at it, the LE officer also noticed it and got it before she did, IIRC. I think LE knew it was a drivers license or ID card of some sort, showing KC's photo and during GA's interview, LE/FBI knew GA was again lying. But we won't know until this info is released and I will until then to see if I am right or wrong.

Currently, this doesn't fit in the SODDI theory unless there is evidence, not released that proves KC had identification which shows she is in fact ZFG. Fake ID's are a dime a dozen in my state as well as Florida.

Then again, it could be her old Universal ID card. We just don't know.

 

[Brini]

It was a white card that was behind Casey's ID, but we have no idea what it was. I've sometimes wondered if it was a police officer's business card. I have heard that if you were friends with a police officer, he would give you his card and if you were stopped for a minor traffic violation and showed the card to the police officer, he wouldn't ticket you. Yes, this is unethical, but I do know it was going on years ago in one city I have lived in because I had a friend who was dating a police officer and she told me about it. I have no idea if this has been going on in Orlando, but it's just one of many thoughts I have had as to what that card might have been. If you think about it, it would make sense to put that card right behind your driver's license. I imagine that if a police officer was taking in evidence in a possible kidnapping or homicide and saw such a card, they would take it away quickly to protect a fellow officer. And we do know that Casey had "dated" lots of police officers.

She dated three, I think. Maybe two. One was JG, who resigned from the PD. He wasn't a good fit, apparently. The other got fired for lying. I thought there was one other, but I'm not sure. Would welcome a correction.

 

[countzero]

Hmm...curious. If you go back and watch Casey in the room at the station after she was indicted...the police officer asked her when she got it cut...I thought it was a weird question, but assumed he was referring to her hair. There was something on the table...now I'll have to go back and watch again. This all was when they were waiting for JB to come 'cause Casey decided she was willing to talk.

Yep, I picked on that one too. Couldn't decide if he was snowing her to make her feel comfortable or letting her know he knew she was a snow job as well.

 

[MAMABEAR]

It was a white card that was behind Casey's ID, but we have no idea what it was. I've sometimes wondered if it was a police officer's business card. I have heard that if you were friends with a police officer, he would give you his card and if you were stopped for a minor traffic violation and showed the card to the police officer, he wouldn't ticket you. Yes, this is unethical, but I do know it was going on years ago in one city I have lived in because I had a friend who was dating a police officer and she told me about it. I have no idea if this has been going on in Orlando, but it's just one of many thoughts I have had as to what that card might have been. If you think about it, it would make sense to put that card right behind your driver's license. I imagine that if a police officer was taking in evidence in a possible kidnapping or homicide and saw such a card, they would take it away quickly to protect a fellow officer. And we do know that Casey had "dated" lots of police officers.

Can you please point me in the direction of where it says the card was white? Police do hand out business cards. I had a whole drawer full when I lived in the "hood". Drug infested neighborhood. We had 2 meth labs within 3-4 houses away from our front door. That is the only ones I was aware of. Poot---probably more than that. Anyway the color of the cop b/cards in our neck of the woods was cream colored. Never saw a white one.

 

[ShawnHS]

I'm curious what you found with what JB has had to say.

I've never tried to find any reversals on JB. I haven't looked for any reversals on GA either.

When this story initially broke I analyzed Cindy's audio for reversals to see if she might actually have known what was going on, and was covering for her daughter. As many will recall her comments about Casey seemed a bit off. Cindy's reversals indicated she was telling the truth, and did not know what was going on with her granddaughter. During the hearing for bail, one of Cindy's reversals indicated at that time she believed Caylee was dead.

(Question: Has this whole thing created a bit of confusion for you?)
Not about that. Confusion about other things, but certainly not Casey's love for Caylee.
Helps me through that. I believe she died.

 

[Balthazar]

Can you please point me in the direction of where it says the card was white? Police do hand out business cards. I had a whole drawer full when I lived in the "hood". Drug infested neighborhood. We had 2 meth labs within 3-4 houses away from our front door. That is the only ones I was aware of. Poot---probably more than that. Anyway the color of the cop b/cards in our neck of the woods was cream colored. Never saw a white one.

Lee described it as a white card like an old style driver's license or learner's permit or something like that:

http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/la092308.pdf

page 26

Lee says:

"...It looked to me white like the old style drivers license or learners permit or something like that. That's what I assumed. But it struck me and I noticed it because of how quickly the officer went in and grabbed that. Uhm I couldn't tell you for sure what that was..."

At which point, he is interupted by the interviewer.

The police business cards I've seen here match their cars - black and white! But I have no idea about the Orlando area.

It is possible it was just Casey's learner's permit. If it was an old style driver's license it would not be accepted as ID. So that's all we know about it.