The State Rests in the State v Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #10

[dgfred]

I know that she dragged him back to the shower, but what I was responding to was the people who say he was shot in the shower after she dragged him back and after he was dead. The position he was found in could not have been the position he was shot in. I think it's extremely unlikely that she took a final shot at dead Travis in the shower and then rearranged his body again.

I just don't see her frantic enough with the stabbing to hurt herself.
Seems more to me he would have been struggling or trying to get away that caused her to injure her hands.

The movement to the sink and down the hall doesn't seem to me to be made by someone already shot in the head... with several serious stab wounds.

I just don't know... and it really doesn't matter to me in the end. She was prepared to kill him one way or the other.

 

[dgfred]

No one said she couldn't, but I find it extremely unlikely that she shot him in the shower when he was already dead and then turned him over on his other side.

Well the 'unlikely' can go for a lot of things in this case. It is hard to think/act like a psychotic person.

 

[KMouse]

In order to have aspirated blood spatter like the type at the back of the sink one would have to still be alive in order to cough it onto the wall.

The blood spatter evidence confirmed that there were multiple stab wounds in different areas from the bathroom to the bedroom. In order to do that Travis would have been alive and moving. Remember how many times the "blood source" was noted to be moving by the spatter expert?

There's the proof of premeditation.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

She's holding the camera in her left hand... it looks as if this camera (I assume is hers) is for a lefty? Anyone else notice that in this pic?

Actually, if you look at the camera, Canon is reversed. The picture could have been flipped or made in a mirror. So, it's likely the camera is in her right hand.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I'm sure you can even find recipes here as well. I know during focal trial crockpots were highly used

Back in the late sixties there was a place called Debonair Danceland on the southeast side of downtown Dallas, and the women that showed up during the day were called the pressure cooking women. I guess we could all get a pressure cooker for the times we forget to put dinner in the crockpot because of our attention span for mundane things of life during a good case.

I was not a pressure cooker lady. I was to young to get in bars by a few years, but I did babysit for a few.

 

[seattlechiquita]

How can she drag him down the hall to the bathroom, but not be able to position him anyway she wanted in the end?

I tell you - the entire sequencing remains a mystery to me.

 

[minor4th]

Well the 'unlikely' can go for a lot of things in this case. It is hard to think/act like a psychotic person.

True enough.

 

[Laceybug]

gitana1

Wow... I dont know how you replied to so many posts at one time... but I feel better after hearing what you have to say. I *know* the DT has stated that she did it.. I *know* the evidence is rock solid... and I *know* the prosecution has done it's job.... I *know* this trial is in Arizona and NOT Florida... Still... it worries me that this jury will let us down... Not saying they will... but the fear of it is there.

 

[BD1]

I'm not even an attorney and I have a sinking feeling about juries. They just seem to kinda do whatever they feel, even about cases that seem so straighforward.

 

[BD1]

And I'm now just bothered by how much he was moving with a gunshot to the head. But I really think that's how it happened, and certainly, crazier things have happened.

 

[spcagrl]

I know that she dragged him back to the shower, but what I was responding to was the people who say he was shot in the shower after she dragged him back and after he was dead. The position he was found in could not have been the position he was shot in. I think it's extremely unlikely that she took a final shot at dead Travis in the shower and then rearranged his body again.

I see now what you are saying......and DO agree! Thanks!

 

[Sulamith]

we had an ME in houston who made some horrible mistakes. in the diane wanstrath case, he ruled she killed her baby, her husband and then herself and the 'gun was removed by persons unknown.' HA!

he also ruled her mother who had been found previous to these deaths, dead in her bathtub, with panty hose around her neck had DONE IT HERSELF!!!!!!

turned out to be diane's adoptive brother who had ALL of them killed for insurance money.

I was always pro death penalty until I started to read about Texas "justice" and how there were some, on death row, who were later exonerated. Cadaver dogs, led astray by their owners...Todd Willingham...you probably know what I am talking about. Not so sure about the death penalty now.

 

[popsicle]

I was always pro death penalty until I started to read about Texas "justice" and how there were some, on death row, who were later exonerated. Cadaver dogs, led astray by their owners...Todd Willingham...you probably know what I am talking about. Not so sure about the death penalty now.

You forgot the...except in this case..?

 

[nursebeeme]

i guess they felt they had to because the defense is saying 'hey, he was shot in the head. no biggie on the rest---he didn't suffer.'

i think that's why they feel it's so important but i'm coming around to thinking it DID happen that way, but he was far from dead after he was shot and suffered a terrible, terrible death.

he obviously suffered.. his blood is up and down the walls to the carpeted area where a large pool is found.. he was trying to get away from her.

and the photo of her dragging him back..


my gosh.. whatever she was dragging him back for beit a stab or a shot.. the guy suffered.. and horribly..

He did suffer a terrible death.. and he was a big guy.. he never saw it coming. :twocents:

 

[nursebeeme]

How can she drag him down the hall to the bathroom, but not be able to position him anyway she wanted in the end?

good question: why did she put him in the shower if she thought the shower photos were erased forever.. never to be seen again. (esp with the blood evidence in the hall etc)

 

[Chanler]

But if that was so she should have stuck with the 2 intruder theory. It was her 2nd one. Why change to self-defense. She lies to cover herself so you could look at it another way... Why would she tell any of the truth? She would say shot first if he wasn't. She would say knifed first if he wasn't. and so on.

She had to change the first one. She now knew they knew she WAS there.

She would have known some of the evidence showing she was there. With that evidence she would have tried to make a story 'fit'. Two intruders.

If Investigator thought he was shot first... wouldn't she say that anyway?

Would she lead the investigator to the correct finding? Or let him think he had it right?

Hi, DGFred. All of her defense scenarios have been very improvised, each fashioned to explain what she thought the police knew at that juncture. Her Ninja Attack story was cooked up (overnight, as I remember) when her interviewer surprised her with the show photographs and bloody palm print. To me, she seems to be going strong until she gets to questions about why the ninjas let her survive. At that point, her story dissolves into almost funny implausibility as tells the cop that she packed up her stuff (!!!) and left the house, with the love of her life dying in another room.

 

[Sulamith]

OT: I am having trouble with the Multi -Quote function. I will multi-quote a post and move on to the next post and want to multi-quote that post and when I try that, the previous multi-quote msg. pops up and I have to delete the previous multi-quote. What am I doing wrong?

 

[gitana1]

I just don't see her frantic enough with the stabbing to hurt herself.
Seems more to me he would have been struggling or trying to get away that caused her to injure her hands.

The movement to the sink and down the hall doesn't seem to me to be made by someone already shot in the head... with several serious stab wounds.

I just don't know... and it really doesn't matter to me in the end. She was prepared to kill him one way or the other.

Do you see a person stabbed in the heart able to struggle, get away, fight an attacker, lurch to a sink, etc.?

I think the point is he was clearly sitting when the last pictures before he was murdered were taken. The gun shot is from above, to the right side of his face. When he was finally found, he was slumped at the bottom of the shower but facing the other way.

Yes, psychopaths do lots of things we can't understand but that doesn't mean they are devoid of logic. Psychopaths are evil, not insane.

There would be no reason, psychopathic or otherwise, for her to shoot him and then afterwards, expend the energy necessary to completely turn his body so it was facing the other side.

I think the sequence of events only matters in the sense that her ninja "confession", which is what it was to me, shows the exact chain of events and proves it was cold-blooded and out of the blue, no time for self-defense.

Of course, I suppose a different sequence of events shows cold-bloodedness as well. But I think many of us just want to know exactly what Travis went through. I really do think her ninja confession gave us the horrible answer: An unexpected shot to the head, moaning and asking for her to go get help, a possible lurch to the sink, stabbing and screaming and jodi telling him to shut up as she kept stabbing him to death.

Wow... I dont know how you replied to so many posts at one time... but I feel better after hearing what you have to say. I *know* the DT has stated that she did it.. I *know* the evidence is rock solid... and I *know* the prosecution has done it's job.... I *know* this trial is in Arizona and NOT Florida... Still... it worries me that this jury will let us down... Not saying they will... but the fear of it is there.

There is a little " (quote) mark button. If you hit that under a post and then keep reading, hitting it under other posts you want to address, and then hit the reply button at the end, when you are ready to write, you will have each post in yours, quoted and ready to reply to!

 

[JSR]

i guess they felt they had to because the defense is saying 'hey, he was shot in the head. no biggie on the rest---he didn't suffer.'

i think that's why they feel it's so important but i'm coming around to thinking it DID happen that way, but he was far from dead after he was shot and suffered a terrible, terrible death.

No my guess is that the State is putting so much emphasis on the sequence because if he was shot first it may make her bogus self defense story more believable. It's a lot more believable to a jury if oh gee he came at me and I instinctively shot him to protect myself but then he kept coming after me and I just went nuts stabbing him because I was scared for my life. It explains away the overkill to some degree.

It's a lot harder to swallow her self defense story if the sequence is in reverse. I'm of the opinion the shot came last.

 

[KMouse]

good question: why did she put him in the shower if she thought the shower photos were erased forever.. never to be seen again. (esp with the blood evidence in the hall etc)

I think she dragged him back to the shower to wash herself off of him. Other than that reason I do not know. It's very odd for people to savagely murder somebody and then move the body for a reason that is not concealment.