The State Rests in the State v Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #10

[PrincessSezMe]

Am I the only one who does not think this looks like Jodi?

Hard to say. The picture has a glare that makes it difficult to see any detail. I would like to know the origin of the picture, where did they get it from? And BTW, that object in the left side of the photo by her right side is not something hanging off the doorknob. If you look closer the door is open.

Unless the picture is sourced, I wouldn't speculate on whether it's her or not.

 

[zoey]

The only reason I can come up with for dragging him back to the shower is to wash her blood and hair off of him to avoid getting caught.

I noticed that the defense was implied that the blood on Travis from the "dragging" photo was from the gunshot to the right side of his head. Is that possible?

What I noticed today rewatching there was a plastic cup in the shower after all that talk of breaking glass when bathing Napoleon. Just made me go hmmmmm:waitasec:

 

[Isabelle]

This was posted somewhere else, I hadn't seen this one yet. Kind of eerie to me.

What is she doing in that picture? Trying to be a bride?

 

[zoey]

KC has civil trials coming up. She's on a short leash. jmo

lease: from your lips to Gods earslease:

 

[katiecoolady]

I can NOT stand to read the comments on HLN or facebook. It's obvious the people here have kept up with the trial and details of the case. Those people on HLN and facebook don't have a clue what has taken place or who or what! Drives me crazy so I try very hard not to even look at the comments there.
:banghead:

I jumped over here from there mainly because the format of scrolling and refreshing and following threads was driving me batty.

 

[Chanler]

I still think the literal overkill was b/c he didn't die as she expected and was this.close to possibly getting out into the communal part of the house. Can't hide a body behind a closed door if there's a big blood stain in the loft. And unless someone thinks she dragged him down that hall then back to the shower, it seems to me he was trying to head out the door. I'm a "shot-first'er", so I think she didn't expect any screaming, and certainly didn't expect him to try and get away.

Hi, Karmady. I think that you are exactly right. From videos and photographs, Travis seems to have been a rather big, very physical guy. He might have been surprised and confused by the attack, but he was determined. And, for all her reassurance, Jodi was like a first-time 7/11 hold-up guy. Her plan for a quick take-down (surprise shower attack with weapons nearby) didn't work and she reacted by going ballistic. I would wager that as Travis fought hard for his life that she did feel as if she was defending herself from him.

I always remember a police detective telling me that the situation always changes the plan. (He put it a bit more graphically.)

 

[Isabelle]

The bullet casing is sitting on top of coagulated blood. Is there a schematic drawing that shows where it was located in the area? Thanks

 

[PASA]

That's why she looks so familiar! I was trying to figure out where I had seen her before. :applause:

Her hair was more blonde back then as I recall.

 

[kscornfed]

Hi, Karmady. I think that you are exactly right. From videos and photographs, Travis seems to have been a rather big, very physical guy. He might have been surprised and confused by the attack, but he was determined. And, for all her reassurance, Jodi was like a first-time 7/11 hold-up guy. Her plan for a quick take-down (surprise shower attack with weapons nearby) didn't work and she reacted by going ballistic. I would wager that as Travis fought hard for his life that she did feel as if she was defending herself from him.

I always remember a police detective telling me that the situation always changes the plan. (He put it a bit more graphically.)

i think this is part of the problem. i think a lot of men don't really believe we (women) can hurt them. :what:

 

[katiecoolady]

The problem for Jodi may have been that he would not die fast enough. Afterall, she had another man waiting for her in Utah and she had to get on the road. jmo

Not to mention flip her plates and do a couple loads of laundry.

 

[LambChop]

Do you see a person stabbed in the heart able to struggle, get away, fight an attacker, lurch to a sink, etc.?

I think the point is he was clearly sitting when the last pictures before he was murdered were taken. The gun shot is from above, to the right side of his face. When he was finally found, he was slumped at the bottom of the shower but facing the other way.

Yes, psychopaths do lots of things we can't understand but that doesn't mean they are devoid of logic. Psychopaths are evil, not insane.

There would be no reason, psychopathic or otherwise, for her to shoot him and then afterwards, expend the energy necessary to completely turn his body so it was facing the other side.

I think the sequence of events only matters in the sense that her ninja "confession", which is what it was to me, shows the exact chain of events and proves it was cold-blooded and out of the blue, no time for self-defense.

Of course, I suppose a different sequence of events shows cold-bloodedness as well. But I think many of us just want to know exactly what Travis went through. I really do think her ninja confession gave us the horrible answer: An unexpected shot to the head, moaning and asking for her to go get help, a possible lurch to the sink, stabbing and screaming and jodi telling him to shut up as she kept stabbing him to death.



There is a little " (quote) mark button. If you hit that under a post and then keep reading, hitting it under other posts you want to address, and then hit the reply button at the end, when you are ready to write, you will have each post in yours, quoted and ready to reply to!

And isn't it amazing that JA's story has more details about her, not much about TA. Just what she was dealing with. Travis, not so much. I often wonder if the male ninja walked her to her car, after she packed up her clothes, that is? jmo

 

[hindsight2020]

I flipped the photo, it's the mirror image, you can now read cannon on the camera, she is holding the camera in her right hand.

You can also sorta tell the one dimple she has made reference to on some site of hers, is on the right side of her face, you can notice it on most of her photos as well.

 

[katiecoolady]

Hi, KMouse. Jodi's actions were not always rational (and I am given to understatement). I think that she did it for a combination of reasons, conscious or unconsciousness: Concealment; and washing him off for destruction of her DNA (which apparently worked) and a weird cleansing (water immersion plays an important part in Mormon as well as other faiths and Travis had baptized her.) My sense is that Jodi didn't want to think of herself as committing a crime of hatred or passion; she wanted to view it as a cinematic final execution. (To me, it's not a coincidence that she argued that the ninjas did it.) That sounds weird, but it helps explain her post-slaughter calm.

That's a really interesting post. Thanks

 

[manzana]

Hard to say. The picture has a glare that makes it difficult to see any detail. I would like to know the origin of the picture, where did they get it from? And BTW, that object in the left side of the photo by her right side is not something hanging off the doorknob. If you look closer the door is open.

Unless the picture is sourced, I wouldn't speculate on whether it's her or not.

I am going to take it a step further and say that is NOT Jodi, looks absolutely nothing like her, I imagine who ever posted it is laughing at all the speculation and I am done with it.

 

[minor4th]

I think Travis and Jodi may have done the laundry of the bed linens in between their nude photos and Travis taking a shower. There was plenty of time. I do not believe that Jodi stuck around after killing Travis and washed a full load of laundry, waited for it to finish and put it in the dryer and started another load with the camera in it.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I was always pro death penalty until I started to read about Texas "justice" and how there were some, on death row, who were later exonerated. Cadaver dogs, led astray by their owners...Todd Willingham...you probably know what I am talking about. Not so sure about the death penalty now.

I am still pro-death penalty but only if there is forensic evidence tying the defendant to the crime like there is in this case.

I dont believe people should be given the DP based solely on eye witness testimony which can be very faulty and has put many innocent people in prison.

I have no qualms about the death penalty in this case however. I hope she receives it but we have seen before where females arent treated equally in the justice system when it comes to same like crimes committed by males. I would like nothing better than to see that change. This crime is so extremely heinous and cruel it actually nauseates me and cries out for justice. Justice is she is found guilty of murder one and a punishment of death, imo.

IMO

 

[Sulamith]

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~respectfully snipped for space
It is an exercise on reasons to wait to have sex until marriage.

I could see JA using this exercise with TA!
some thought he looked like he had been
crying. Maybe he was, over the guilt JA had just placed on him?

We had something like this in Sunday School

What happens if I don't follow G-d's plan and
remain a virgin until marriage?

I have the entire exercise but as far as JA
is concerned it stops after phase one.

♦ Our relationship.

(Place duct tape around the bicep)
:loveyou:
We meet I like you!
Rub the tape to warm it up and press on it,
make it stick well.
:hug:
You and I are bonding...
:crush:
I have a serious connection to you.
we're a couple
I know I have been taught
to "save myself" but, with some prodding,
:blowkiss:
and your procalmations of your love for me
:groucho:
I consent to give you all of myself sexually and emotionally
I expect marriage/long term
relationship with you.
We are "one" I being to expect the relationship will continue.
I am commited. You however are not.You need space...

Suddenly (to me) you decide to break up with me.
I don't want that. I try and convince you not to.
It's over and you move on to the next girl.
:thud:
(quickly tear off the tape)
It's painful!:tears:

You have really hurt me.
​

* really more appropriate to discourage young teens from pre marital sex...

I wonder if she was showing him this?
Here is the rest of the full exercise

Spoiler

It leaves a mark.
It will be so hard for me to get over and forget you
yet, slowly I move on...

♦ 2nd relationship. :cheer:
(put the tape back on the same part of the arm)
so after dating for a while, we have sex
not as big of a deal this time.
:slapfight:
Then we break up. (tear off the tape)
Wait this time, it didn't hurt that bad, did it? :notgood:
through the years...

♦ 3rd relationship.
(put the tape back on the same part of the arm)
Things get rough hdear:
(tear off the tape)
♦ 4th ...
(put the tape back on the same part of the arm)
Again it's not working out, we break up
(tear off the tape) did it hurt? :dunno:
Finally
♦ I meet "the one"
Now,( place the tape on again)
does it even stick? Hold it down tight
warm it up... use a another small piece of tape to
keep the ends together.
Things go well :cloud9:
We get engaged...
:cake:Wedding night!
Honeymoon Consummate marriage...
Newly weds!:woohoo:
Real life, job kids...
Not what we expected...
This was forever right?
:slapfight:
NOPE!
We divorce :thud:
What happened?

Lesson:
G-d's gift-
By reserving sex for marriage means, the wedding night is full of passion~ Encompassing, body,mind, heart, soul and spirit!!!!! A bond that will stand the test of time! A promise given by G-d to me/us meant to be shared with and returned by our spouse. Something we have never experienced with anyone else. A gift that 100% can only be given once.


BY ignored G-d and deciding to have sex before marriage.
I forfeit his promise.
I will never experience the G-d given bonds of marriage.
Even if it happened only once before marriage...
IT can never, be what it could have been.

The bond (adhesive part of tape) has been diminshed-
damaged by what (the tape) left behind and picked up
with relationship#1, some with #2 etc.

The more partners I have,(the more the duct tape is used)
the less possible it is for it to "stick" in the future.​

I respect your opinion, but how I see it is that is more likely that TA was using the duct tape exercise with JA. TA was raised Mormon (after his grandmother took him in) JA was a recent convert to the Mormon church and probably did not know of all the restrictions of the church. She converted quickly which is really not than unusual.

I posted before that when I saw the pic of TA sitting in the shower, that I thought he looked like he had been crying. Probably crying because he had broken commandments. I don't think JA put any guilt on him..he had guilt because he knew he broke Mormon commandments and was letting his friends down.

I would have no problem with JA getting the death penalty. My previous post about being not sure of the death penalty came from living in Texas and there is sure a racial prejudice here. I did not make myself clear.

 

[Really?]

also, remember how vague she was? she couldn't describe them. she didn't know what they were discussing---didn't hear that much. she didn't see that much of travis's death. it was ludicrous.

also, let's say she left and didn't say anything to protect her family. yeah, right, i know. but say she did.

does that also mean she had to act so damn happy and nonchalant around everyone she encountered? go rub herself all over her new BF?

she's not half as smart as she thinks she is.

I know, LOL, right. She thought she had it all figured out. " Oh, me?. Why would I be jealous. I have a boyfriend. Just ask him 'cause we were just making out that next day. Why would I want Travis dead?" ....hahahaha.dumb azz.

 

[popsicle]

I think Travis and Jodi may have done the laundry of the bed linens in between their nude photos and Travis taking a shower. There was plenty of time. I do not believe that Jodi stuck around after killing Travis and washed a full load of laundry, waited for it to finish and put it in the dryer and started another load with the camera in it.

That was my thought also. That the bed linen was already in the washer before the attack occurred.

 

[Quester]

Am I the only one who does not think this looks like Jodi?

Is that from her baptism (or whatever it was called) into the Mormon faith? TIA