The State Rests in the State v Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #10

[suspicious1]

Yes, I think I had it wrong afterall. The baseboard has those same type of lines, and instead of "slots", it really could be just the baseboard. Sorry for the confusion on my original reply. I will be more careful not to jump to conclusions.

LOL I thought the same thing!

 

[manzana]

What, in your opinions, were JA's THREE biggest mistakes? Some off the top of my head:
AZ,

1.) Not taking memory card
2.) not shooting him on bed but instead taking naked pic while he appeared to be sleeping, that would have been the perfect time to go for the kill.
3.) and talking her * off to Detective Flores before and especially after in custody.

Really, taking pictures to begin with.

 

[TorisMom003]

What's up with her recording the phone sex? Do we have a date on that?

Just saw this post, sorry Linda for not responding earlier. I have not seen when the recorded phone sex call happened so no date from me for that. I did notice however that Ryan stated after Jodi made the trip to Utah that the two of them engaged in phone sex. So was it really a recording of Travis and Jodi or was it a recording of Ryan and Jodi with Jodi saying that it was Ryan?

 

[luv]

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[PASA]

I think she was leaving. They were done having sex. maybe he had to go somewhere. who knows? She probably had no idea how much blood there would be but obviously the clothes were dealt with. They never found them, did they?

I just remembered he had a conference call at 7, and maybe he told Jodi he needed to shower and get ready to take the call.

To my knowledge her clothes were not found.

Sorry if this has already been answered, I'm far, far behind.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

This analysis makes a lot of sense because we have to remember that Travis or any other man would never ever suspect that she would really do any harm to him right after sex. If she had withheld sex from him, it would have been a different story, but after freely engaging in sex, the last thing on his mind would be that she was mad at him in the least.

Not sure if the point I am trying to make is clear, but just trying to explain that normally when a person is really mad at you, they would never have sex with you. So, once she did that, the last thing on his mind was that she was somehow mad at him.

So, even when he finally sees the gun or knife, part of him is trying to tell himself, this really cant be happening, and she is just maybe over reacting to something. I dont think he actually thought she would attack him until the shot or the knife blade actually came at him.

I agree with you, but I don't think that photo is when she pulled out the gun or the knife. I think that's when she turned on the camera's flash, and he realized she was there and it startled him (maybe annoyed him to a certain degree too). The shower door is still closed in that photo. You can see the water droplets on the door and running down the door. I think that the very next photo, of his lower body sitting in the shower, is when he probably knew what was coming - the door is open in that picture. But his face is not shown in that picture, and that's maybe a good thing.

Many keep asking why he was sitting in the shower. After studying the pictures she took of him in the shower, and that final shot that shows how unhappy he looks, I think he sat down because he was just tired of it all. He wanted her gone, and she just wouldn't go away. The previous shots are not poses IMO. He looks like he's just trying to wash himself clean, physically and maybe metaphorically too.

I have never in my life seen "nekked" pics where the subjects look so apathetic. Usually there's the gleam in the eye and a look on their face that says "I'm goin' for it" (anyone remember the Tommy Lee/Pamela Anderson fiasco - now there was a dude that was "going for it"). I don't see anything like that in these pictures. It all looks forced and not natural at all.

I think TA was a victim of sexual abuse, and I might be roasted for saying that but it's how I feel. Anyone remember being disgusted at the Debra Lafave case? That kid was mesmerized at what he'd never experienced before. And what about the Mary Kay Letourneau case? She seduced a 13 year old, had two of his children while in prison, and married him when she was released.

I know Travis was not a child, but if he was a virgin as others say he was it's not a huge stretch to imagine the power her sexual advances might have had over him. And from the glimpses we've seen of the kind of person she is, it's not a stretch at all to see how she would have taken advantage of that.

 

[suspicious1]

No this is the last shot of Travis alive (after the face shot):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/jodi-arias-crime-scene-photos_n_2412031.html#slide=1985293

I can't figure out how to get that pic in here but it's the one with Travis' torso sitting in the bottom of the shower. His head/face isn't in the frame at all.

I forgot about that one....thanks Katie

 

[rmt]

1.) Not taking memory card
2.) not shooting him on bed but instead taking naked pic while he appeared to be sleeping, that would have been the perfect time to go for the kill.
3.) and talking her * off to Detective Flores before and especially after in custody.

Really, taking pictures to begin with.

yeah, not lawyering up was a mistake

 

[Hatfield]

One thing I found really strange was when she got pulled over for the upside down tag. It seems I heard that someone was following her and if I am not mistaken, I think it was Ryan?

If it was Ryan, why would he be following her? It seems they would be together in the same vehicle unless maybe he was going to help her drop off the rental car or something.

 

[minor4th]

Random comments:

1. I think the case would still be very strong even if Jodi had not left the pics behind. The police would have still gotten her DNA, hairs, finger prints and palm print from the crime scene; they still would have pulled her phone records and rental car guy and everything else. All the premeditation evidence would still be there. In fact, the case might be better without the pics because everyone wouldnt be wondering how she could possibly commit all these brutal acts in less than two minutes.

2. She might not get the death penalty even if jury finds premeditation because it's possible/likely she did not go with the intent to kill him three times over in a way that caused him to suffer. Likely she just intended to shoot him and end his life quickly ("humanely", as she put it). That's what I think -- I don't think she brought a knife with her or even had it as a back up. I think she went with the idea that she would shoot him in the head and it would be over very quickly. For whatever reason that didn't work -- so she had to resort to a knife and stabbing and even that didnt work quickly enough so she cut his throat.

 

[luv]

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[TorisMom003]

Could you do the time for 161 and the next one of him on the floor and her sweatpants showing?

Here are the times for the shower photos and then the last three are the "accidental" shots.

5:22:24
5:22:36
5:22:54
5:23:00
5:23:24
5:23:30
5:24:30
5:24:48
5:24:52
5:24:56
5:25:00
5:29:20 (this is the full on face photo)
5:30:30 (this is the final shower photo)
5:31:14 (this is the ceiling photo)
5:32:16 (this is the dragging photo with Jodi's leg)
5:33:32 (this is the baseboard photo with Travis's body barely showing)

 

[all4justice]

Yeah, you are right. It is so bizarre up high on the arm like that. I have seen athletes use a rubber strap around their arms in that area to make their muscles pop out more, so maybe Travis was just experimenting to make his muscle show more. It is really strange, and with her taking the photo, even stranger.

She wasn't a photographer as she claims. She was a "PSYCHOGRAPHER". :floorlaugh:

I'm totally stealing that term. Hilarious! :floorlaugh:

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

I gave my kid a Tylenol, I'm a nurse

:cat: I just gave my cat her diarrhea medication. I'm a vet. :seeya:

 

[Hatfield]

I agree with you, but I don't think that photo is when she pulled out the gun or the knife. I think that's when she turned on the camera's flash, and he realized she was there and it startled him (maybe annoyed him to a certain degree too). The shower door is still closed in that photo. You can see the water droplets on the door and running down the door. I think that the very next photo, of his lower body sitting in the shower, is when he probably knew what was coming - the door is open in that picture. But his face is not shown in that picture, and that's maybe a good thing.

Many keep asking why he was sitting in the shower. After studying the pictures she took of him in the shower, and that final shot that shows how unhappy he looks, I think he sat down because he was just tired of it all. He wanted her gone, and she just wouldn't go away. The previous shots are not poses IMO. He looks like he's just trying to wash himself clean, physically and maybe metaphorically too.

I have never in my life seen "nekked" pics where the subjects look so apathetic. Usually there's the gleam in the eye and a look on their face that says "I'm goin' for it" (anyone remember the Tommy Lee/Pamela Anderson fiasco - now there was a dude that was "going for it"). I don't see anything like that in these pictures. It all looks forced and not natural at all.

I think TA was a victim of sexual abuse, and I might be roasted for saying that but it's how I feel. Anyone remember being disgusted at the Debra Lafave case? That kid was mesmerized at what he'd never experienced before. And what about the Mary Kay Letourneau case? She seduced a 13 year old, had two of his children while in prison, and married him when she was released.

I know Travis was not a child, but if he was a virgin as others say he was it's not a huge stretch to imagine the power her sexual advances might have had over him. And from the glimpses we've seen of the kind of person she is, it's not a stretch at all to see how she would have taken advantage of that.

Excellent points. I agree that it seems he may have just sat down in disgust as if to say..."oh no...not you again".

Its all so sad because we know what happened right after.

 

[rmt]

Here are the times for the shower photos and then the last three are the "accidental" shots.

5:22:24
5:22:36
5:22:54
5:23:00
5:23:24
5:23:30
5:24:30
5:24:48
5:24:52
5:24:56
5:25:00
5:29:20 (this is the full on face photo)
5:30:30 (this is the final shower photo)
5:31:14 (this is the ceiling photo)
5:32:16 (this is the dragging photo with Jodi's leg)
5:33:32 (this is the baseboard photo with Travis's body barely showing)

What happened between 5:25:00 and 5:29:20..... 4 minutes!!! Strange....

 

[Karmady]

No this is the last shot of Travis alive (after the face shot):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/jodi-arias-crime-scene-photos_n_2412031.html#slide=1985293

I can't figure out how to get that pic in here but it's the one with Travis' torso sitting in the bottom of the shower. His head/face isn't in the frame at all.

curious why peeps think he's sitting at the bottom of the shower rather than on the built-in seat or even just leaned up against the wall. If there a broader pic that shows this?

 

[Isabelle]

What is that dark object in the bottom right corner of the last pic of Travis (torso sitting in shower), something dark just by the heel of his foot?

 

[missy1974]

Here are the times for the shower photos and then the last three are the "accidental" shots.

5:22:24
5:22:36
5:22:54
5:23:00
5:23:24
5:23:30
5:24:30
5:24:48
5:24:52
5:24:56
5:25:00
5:29:20 (this is the full on face photo)
5:30:30 (this is the final shower photo)
5:31:14 (this is the ceiling photo)
5:32:16 (this is the dragging photo with Jodi's leg)
5:33:32 (this is the baseboard photo with Travis's body barely showing)

just got caught up! thanks Torismom for doing this! When I look at the times... it's almost unbelievable that it happened that quick, isn't it? in that last picture, with the baseboard showing, it looks like a body in a sheet being dragged. It just seems like it would take more time to get him on that sheet and drag. by the times on those photo's, she killed him and was dragging him in a sheet in 3 minutes and 2 seconds (final shower photo - last photo)

 

[missy1974]

What happened between 5:25:00 and 5:29:20..... 4 minutes!!! Strange....

maybe she went and got the gun and knife?