The State Rests in the State v Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #10

[dgfred]

You don't think maybe JA spiked his beverage with something so that she could lower his inhibitions and get him to have sex with her again even after he had severed his relationship to her once and for all?

And maybe whatever she gave him made him a little easier to attack and kill?

She is awfully small, he supposedly feared her and wanted no more to do with her and did not expect her visit, and he looks a total mess in those pics. Why would he have sex with that scary, um, woman? Unless he wasn't exactly himself?

I'm not married to it, but I think it's awfully possible.

She didn't really need to lower his inhibitions... he let her in the house.
He had not severed the relationship 'all the way'.
Whether he was shot first or stabbed... it would have been easier because he was naked in the shower.

He seems like he was taking an opportunity. Took it, but wasn't changing his mind about the overall relationship or taking her on the trip.

If she wasn't planning to kill him while he was sleeping... I think she was giving him a chance to change his mind. He didn't... she wasn't going to have him and probably felt he was using her. Nobody else is getting him. He goes to shower and she gets dressed and ready.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Oh, no WAY the self-defense BS will fly. But is there any way the jury would lean towards anything less than 1st degree, even with all the evidence pointing to premeditation?

And I am glad I'm not the only one wigging out about this break!

I know they say the break only helps the defense. In this case I disagree. After hearing their questions... I almost hope they turn to media because they clearly haven't been paying attention! And if any do, I hope they're smart enough to deny it.

IMO I'd never advocate for such a thing but in this case, their questions, my fear of her walking.... Yeah.


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[LotusPawprint]

Oh, no WAY the self-defense BS will fly. But is there any way the jury would lean towards anything less than 1st degree, even with all the evidence pointing to premeditation?

And I am glad I'm not the only one wigging out about this break!

I've been thinking about the charge and the lack of lesser included charges. I wonder if that's a mistake but I think the state is very confident in their case and do not believe the crime is anything but 1st degree murder. I'm guessing they don't want a jury to have any other options to compromise on and I can understand that as I don't think anything else is appropriate.

 

[Karmady]

Maybe I'm of the "Old School" but I'm not comfortable without some cash in case of emergencies. Believe it or not some people in out of the way places deal only in cash. In case if a vehicle breakdown or an emergency of any nature I've found that cash can at least get you to a bank or garage or doctor.

I agree about remote places. I followed up on that in a later post. I do carry cash if I plan to be very rural or in Mexico. These days I'm WAY more worried about not having my phone charger than not having cash. The times, they are a'changin!

 

[Karmady]

I've been thinking about the charge and the lack of lesser included charges. I wonder if that's a mistake but I think the state is very confident in their case and do not believe the crime is anything but 1st degree murder. I'm guessing they don't want a jury to have any other options to compromise on and I can understand that as I don't think anything else is appropriate.

Do we know for sure that in AZ you have to charge the lesser includeds?

 

[lonetraveler]

No offense, but who takes a picture of a man when his penis is ERECT?

I mean if it is consensual, cool.

But those photos do not look consensual. TA looks hurt or drugged and I am not seeing how his flaccid penis (bright red, though, weird) is any creepier than if it were erect.

If the photos were consensual and TA was in to it, then I apologize. They just look as though TA was not a willing participant.

Look, I'm gonna be honest and admit that I am not buying the Saint Travis view. I think he was a guy. Like a ton of other guys. His MS is full of pics of him with very pretty girls, and comments from girls playfully (?) arguing over who TA is referring to when he makes a comment.

He obviously did not think JA was marriage material. But Lisa felt the same way about Travis.

Mormonism aside, I think TA was not so different from alot of up and coming young professional guys. They hook up with girls they think are "hot" and often they are "talking" to several girls at once. I do think TA met quite a fee of his girls through the PPL network, going by the comments of TA's former boss.

My point is that TA is a victim. And he is a victim without having to repackage him as some beacon of virtue. I honestly think he likely told his friends he had totally cut things off with JA and yet he was still egging her on with suggestive texts and phone calls.

Does that make him evil? No! Deserving of the fate JA delivered? No! Would I want my daughter to date him? No!

So here's what, if I feel that way after only seeing the PT case, imagine how a jury member with a mindset similar to mine may feel after hearing the DT's case, which will not just portray TA's weaknesses/faults, but twist them and make him look way worse than just a player.

I really worry that it may affect how the jury looks at JA's evil rage.....and it shouldn't, but what if a juror had the painful experience of being kind of strung along and ultimately replaced?

Even though normal people don't resort to stalking and brutal murder when hurt by love, might a juror have doubts about 1st degree because of TA's other women? Even his friends admit he had other "women", plural.

Maybe it is just CA trial trauma, but I am just sick thinking that this awful woman might get some reduced charge based on a juror being able to identify at least in part by dating a "player".

No flames, please. I am not slamming a victim. I am just calling em as I sees em. And that combined with this long break makes me bite my nails.

I've got to go with Oceanblueeyes here. I can't see any reason whatsoever to take a sexually explicit photo of a flaccid penis. That kinda ruins the reason for the photograph in the first place. Call me weird but I'd rather have a before photo than an after photo but that's just me.

 

[Love Never Fails]

But the jury is not sequestered and now has a fairly long break. I am not for one second believing they will respect admonishments not to discuss or research the case.

They are just as likely to read the same articles we have, watch the same 48 hours (where TA's own friends say he had several girls at the same time AND Skye says she does think TA was wrong for leading JA on by continuing the sex), and read the discussions we are having online.

And then, along with this info, they go back to court and are introduced to what may actually be factual evidence ( IDK, text messages, emails, etc) but amplified to make Travis look not just like a guy who was popular with women and had quite a few while still having Jodi as a sex partner, but as a guy who was actively pursuing Jodi.

I just think that it wouldn't be that hard to spin the ongoing sexual relationship that appears to have been consensual (except that last day, IMO. That just looked scary and weird), into one where Travis was the one hanging on to Jodi.

It really depends if the DT has any texts/emails to present, and if so, how they read or how they, the DT can twist them. But just based on the couple I HAVE read, I can totally see how JA might have thought TA still cared for her, even if only as a booty call.

Soooo, if someone like me, who thinks Jodi is a skeery and evil sociopath, can see how the situation wasn't so black and white, imagine if there is a juror who has been on the losing end of a relationship.......

I mean, I cannot see how she would walk like CA, but what if she does not get the full sentence she deserves? Yeesh!

Oh! And also, I wanted to say that nobody has to TRASH Travis. Just the statements of ex girlfriends and words of his own friends made him seem, IMO like a ladies man. Which again, is not trashing him, it just makes him real.

But what IF Travis dated a hundred other girls and was pursuing them all but only sleeping with Jodi because she was so easy? She could have said no! He was a man. Doesn't make him deserving of death!

 

[LambChop]

Oh, no WAY the self-defense BS will fly. But is there any way the jury would lean towards anything less than 1st degree, even with all the evidence pointing to premeditation?

And I am glad I'm not the only one wigging out about this break!

You know, they did the same thing with the Elizabeth Johnson case. Plus short days, long lunches, late starts. At least in FL when Judge Perry said 9am, he meant it. jmo

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

bbm - that line made me LOL... you would say something like that!


Were there any further details on this complaint? I'm surprised to hear that the mother was paying attention to the jury (or anything), I've only ever seen her staring blankly ahead unaffected.

All she has to do is say she saw some juror do or say something and she's made a point for an appeal. I see this mother not as involved in her daughter's life like Cindy Anthony or Darlie Kee were. I'm not trying to be mean spirited, but I'd hate to think how much trouble and expense Jodi's mom or aunt can cause to "help" Jodi.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I've been thinking about the charge and the lack of lesser included charges. I wonder if that's a mistake but I think the state is very confident in their case and do not believe the crime is anything but 1st degree murder. I'm guessing they don't want a jury to have any other options to compromise on and I can understand that as I don't think anything else is appropriate.

Jury nullification is a real possibility imo


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[spcagrl]

Ladies man, maybe. Horny young guy, for sure. But that to me has nothing to do with him being violent , her being in fear of her life and having to kill him to defend herself. I DO have concerns about the jury and the long break though.

Well, there Is an advantage for us in having seen every square inch of her body just a short time before he was killed......and there is not a mark on it. Where is the violence? She will have a difficult time proving that, knowing those photos are out ther.

 

[BritsKate]

I've been thinking about the charge and the lack of lesser included charges. I wonder if that's a mistake but I think the state is very confident in their case and do not believe the crime is anything but 1st degree murder. I'm guessing they don't want a jury to have any other options to compromise on and I can understand that as I don't think anything else is appropriate.

I said the other day in some states the lesser offenses are inclusive. I know the lesser offenses were mentioned in the motion last heard in court - I can't remember in what context though and it's just too late for me to try to find it.

I don't know if in AZ they're included in premeditated murder - I know they aren't in felony though. I keep lease: AZ Lawyer will get curious and drop in here someday.

 

[Jax49]

I am not even looking but we did discuss it here a couple nights ago.

Its here somewhere. But, what I remember is that they were what we believe to be 2 kerosene cans on one of the receipts.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I've got to go with Oceanblueeyes here. I can't see any reason whatsoever to take a sexually explicit photo of a flaccid penis. That kinda ruins the reason for the photograph in the first place. Call me weird but I'd rather have a before photo than an after photo but that's just me.

Maybe it was supposed to remind him of what a great time he just had?


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[popoju]

O/T but one of her drawing is currently at 1k OMG ...always the same 2 users bidding tho..... uh http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pisces-2-Or...001263753?pt=Art_Drawings&hash=item19d830de89

 

[FrayedKnot]

I agree with all you said with one exception. When I was young I had my heart ripped out a couple times. But it NEVER occurred to me to hurt the guy physically because I am not a psychopath so I fail to see how any juror could feel sorry for Jodi. I have two daughters and two sons. I would tell them all the same thing. Get over it! Go forward! And praise God you didn't end up with him/her. But Jodi couldn't think that way. Like I said...psychopath!

No, but that's my point. I had my heart broken by a guy who I KNEW was playing me. And I sure cried a lot and still got all happy when he would send me sweet cards it call me, even though I KNEW he was a s**t! But I never once thought about killing him.

HOWEVER, what if a juror had our same experience, and fleetingly entertained the thought of stalking or hurting the other person? Even if they never acted on it? Might it skew the way they view this case?

And if so, how much of the info on which they base their opinion will come from the DT's case, and how much from the info they will most likely be exposed to during this non-sequestered break?

MOO, but this trial should have been speedier, with a sequestered jury.

 

[LotusPawprint]

Do we know for sure that in AZ you have to charge the lesser includeds?

I can't say that 100% but all I've heard is that the jury can agree on 1st degree murder either by premeditation or felony murder, I haven't heard anything about lesser charges or her receiving shorter sentences than LWOP or the DP. For now let's slap an IMO on this since I'm not certain and don't want to mislead anyone!

 

[FrayedKnot]

Maybe it was supposed to remind him of what a great time he just had?


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Ewwwwwwww!

 

[BritsKate]

I've got to go with Oceanblueeyes here. I can't see any reason whatsoever to take a sexually explicit photo of a flaccid penis. That kinda ruins the reason for the photograph in the first place. Call me weird but I'd rather have a before photo than an after photo but that's just me.

You do know I am looking at your avatar in a whole new way now, right? :floorlaugh:

 

[Linda7NJ]

O/T but one of her drawing is currently at 1k OMG ...always the same 2 users bidding tho..... uh http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pisces-2-Or...001263753?pt=Art_Drawings&hash=item19d830de89

With any luck she'll have years to crank out her drawings on cardboard! Lol


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