The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #11

[LotusPawprint]

I love me some wonky eyed Andy Cohen

I always wonder how he's able to Watch what happens live with those eyes !

 

[Madeleine74]

The cover photo in that video upstream is of murder victim, Annie Le. It's not Jodi Arias in that picture.

 

[Isabelle]

we can;t know until we here what the defense says - like if they bring in one expert - that opens the door for prosecutor to bring in another - or if one friend says TA did A. then prosecutor can bring in another friend who says B.

Thanks polley!

 

[norest4thewicked]

Isabelle,
That's JODI!!!
Does the tape work? My comp has so many security settings, it will let me play it on the comp, but not on WS.
I'll try to give you the link, cuz there are others there you may want to see.

Different nose, different eyes and different mouth.

 

[polleypockets]

During the time Jodi was at Travis' you'd think someone would have noticed her car. did Travis by any chance drive a white car?

he drove a black prius, a room mate drove a white car - but the budget ppl didn't say she asked for what - just a color that would blend in

 

[pip]

Please provide a link where the me said that he could not determine it. Thank you.

It is recorded in the ME's testimony which we all viewed during court, and is on youtube. He clearly states he could not verify d/t the brains rapid deterioration and inability to examine, but can only conclude. That is not 100% scientific, examined and proved conclusion. It is an offer of possibility with which the prosecution has banked on for their case. Does it even matter in the big picture?

 

[kkdj]

The slashed throat was an immediate and fatal wound. He would be unconscious within about 15 seconds, possibly less.

How long would it take to cut the throat that deep and from ear to ear? Isn't that at some point during the commission of the attack premeditated murder?

 

[norest4thewicked]

Looks like an oriental girl wearing a sunhat.

They got the wrong photo for the wrong video because that is not Jodi.

 

[norest4thewicked]

It is recorded in the ME's testimony which we all viewed during court, and is on youtube. He clearly states he could not verify d/t the brains rapid deterioration and inability to examine, but can only conclude. That is not 100% scientific, examined and proved conclusion. It is an offer of possibility with which the prosecution has banked on for their case. Does it even matter in the big picture?

I listened and read the ME's testimony and never read or heard that. I was wondering if you have a link for it.

 

[LambChop]

I disagree. According to my theory, the extreme violence was to prevent the victim of what was supposed to be a fatal gunshot from escaping into the common area of the house and sealing the fate of Jodi right there, on the spot. No way she was letting him keep on yelling or get out of that room -- whatever it took. The prosecution disagrees with me. They think she brought a gun on purpose, but used a knife instead because, well, I don't know why they think she used a knife instead. They think she used a knife on a guy bigger and stronger than her, even though Jodi brought a gun and even though they have no explanation for where the knife came from and why it just happened to be in the bathroom at the time. I think it wasn't.

The very fact that she would bring a knife and use it on Travis shows that she did not fear him. She knew she had the element of surprise and that he would not strike her. There were no marks on her yet her attorney claims she was knocked to the floor and he wrestled with her. He wrestled as a hobby there is no way she would have gotten away from him had he done that. No way. She came prepared to kill him.

If she were so afraid of him she felt she had to bring a gun why visit him at all. It makes no sense. And what is her explanation for having the gun? She has none. Maybe the ninjas left it for her to use right there on the bathroom floor. jmo

 

[Madeleine74]

How long would it take to cut the throat that deep and from ear to ear? Isn't that at some point during the commission of the attack premeditated murder?

Depending on the knife, how sharp it is, size, could be a couple seconds or a few additional seconds. She didn't cut his throat by accident--it was an intentional action that she knew would be fatal and she decided to do it. That is the definition of premeditation.

 

[human]

Look at Dahmer's parents and I'd say nature. Look at Jackie Peterson and I'd say nurture.

Dahmer came from a horrible dysfunctional family.

I do not believe babies are born evil.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

"Don't forget what was told to you. Don't say anything"
This is the note Jodi says she got from the ninjas while she was in jail.
And death threats!!

LOLOLOL

Shades of Casey Anthony or what?

 

[minor4th]

I'm very sensitive to domestic violence and I'm bothered by blaming the victim. However I also take false allegations of DV seriously too, and IMO there is nothing to suggest that JA was a victim of Travis' AT ALL.

She is a grown woman, albeit a very derranged one. She made her own decisions, she chooses to blame others, she takes no accountability for her own actions, and it was HER choices alone that led to this brutal slaying.

SHE premeditated this killing, SHE continued the 'relationship' with Travis when she could've stopped, SHE behaved like an obsessed stalker, SHE had weapons and used them, SHE has told lie after lie after lie, SHE talked to the media and LE endlessly without lawyers, SHE went out to dinner in a "kool-aid" stained rented car with her friends hours after killing Travis like nothing happened, SHE went and grinded on another Mormon man after she killed Travis, SHE sent flowers to his grandmother after she killed him, SHE mutilated this man.

But she somehow has the nerve to claim self-defense after driving thousands of miles to her abusers house, sleeping with him in his home in his bed for hours, taking dirty pictures of them with his camera, photographing him at his most vulnerable cornered naked in his shower and then she DARES to allege self-defense as she butchers him with a knife and a gun. REALLY??

She was nowhere near a battered, abused woman. She wasn't stuck in a cyclical relationship where she kept coming back to what was comfortable but abusive. She made her own decisions and she chose to kill Travis. Anything short of the jury realizing that and convicting of first degree murder is a complete miscarriage of justice, plain and simple.

I agree, and there's plenty of evidence that she was not acting like the stereotypical battered woman/man.

Yes, it's true that abuse victims often stay with their abuser and keep it a secret from everyone. Yes, it's true that abuse victims keep returning, hoping and believing that the abuser has changed or will change. I'd even go so far as to say that this relationship did embody some of the classic ear marks of a toxic co-dependent relationship typical of the abuse/victim dynamic. I'm sure all of that will be discussed by the defense expert.

However, there is not a single indication that we have seen so far to suggest that Jodi was the victim or that Travis was controlling or obsessive, and there is some evidence that Jodi did display some of the characteristics of abusers (reading text messages, moving to Mesa after they broke up, jealousy and possessiveness, stalking behaviors, failure to recognize any boundaries, etc).

Importantly Jodi did, in fact, have enough autonomy and self determination to pack up her things and move back to California. That is not at all the action of an abused woman who feels helpless and powerless and under the control of her (ex) partner.

Of course we have only seen one side so far, and I imagine that (if the judge allows it) Jodi will be able to put forth some evidence that shows that Travis had it in him to be a jerk or arrogant or dismissive. Judging from the couple of examples they chose to discuss in the defense opening statement -- assuming those are the most compelling evidence they have -- the defense is going to fall way short of proving that there was a history of abuse and because of that Jodi reasonably feared for her life on June 4, 2008 so as to legally justify killing Travis

As I've said before, I do not think the defense is even considering acquittal as a possibility. Their task is to avoid the death penalty, and their best shot is to try to paint Travis as a less sympathetic victim. The only way they can even get that kind of evidence in front of the jury is through a self defense claim. That's the only reason they are going with this defense.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Sorry - not her pic, just her vid.
Check the site - there are a bunch they didn't show in the tv presentation that will give you a good giggle.

 

[Linda7NJ]

At the 30 minute mark on the 48 hours thing. Jodi says...heard loud pop...she was knocked to the floor in front of the tub, Travis was screaming, she looked up and both ninjas were coming toward them.

Ok...what did a ninja knock her to the ground with? She claims they both went down at the same time.

Devils is in the details and hers, even with the gift of time, never make any sense.

Jodi has a good vocabulary, but she doesn't seem very bright to me.

 

[sassy_texasbelle2]

I think the knife was always in her purse. I also think it was a switchblade. She surely had one when she slashed the tires. I think she always carried it around with her. So, that does not make it such a stretch of where the knife was. It was in her purse along with the gun she had stolen. That is one reason I think either the heart or the head wounds either one could have been first. She had very easy access to both of them. I can see her taking the last photo and then opening the door to hug Travis or to kiss him "goodbye" and stabbing him in the chest just as well as I can see her shooting him. From what the ME said the bullet was downward so he had to have been lower than her for that angle.

 

[LambChop]

I swear auto correct just likes to mess with me!

LOL. I thought you were getting like me. I need to go to bed.

 

[polleypockets]

It is recorded in the ME's testimony which we all viewed during court, and is on youtube. He clearly states he could not verify d/t the brains rapid deterioration and inability to examine, but can only conclude. That is not 100% scientific, examined and proved conclusion. It is an offer of possibility with which the prosecution has banked on for their case. Does it even matter in the big picture?

and this is the quandary, when ever evidence has become degraded enuff that no one can say exactly what happens - no one can ever say some thing happen is 100% - rather than more likely than not - but based on what evidence they have, the experts must rely on there knowledge and experience - any thing can happen, but if one thing happens 90% of the time and the other 10%, their testimony will outline the 90% outcome on order to ever make a decision, you need to at some point have a leap of faith and believe an expert - or just disregard them

 

[Linda7NJ]

Depending on the knife, how sharp it is, size, could be a couple seconds or a few additional seconds. She didn't cut his throat by accident--it was an intentional action that she knew would be fatal and she decided to do it. That is the definition of premeditation.

Any threat was long over as he tried to crawl away from her down that hallway.