The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #11

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Don't you put a plastic thing on your hair when dying it? She had a lot of hair. Can't see doing it in a gas station bathroom, but don't truck stops have showers?

BTW, I can see TA had hair on his legs.

Is it in a blog of a female friend where she talks about him shaving?

I though he was talking about all over the body , not just his private area. To me that would be an unusual conversation to have for him as he was selling a clothing line of modest clothes for women.
 
Iirc there was far too much staining to be from drippings from having dye on her head. If she were dyeing while driving while listening to I Whip My Hair Back And Forth.... Perhaps. My my understanding there was just too much staining for that.


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Were there photos taken of the staining? I don't know how much there is. all I can say is that when I've had the audacity to try and color my own hair and then get in the shower and wash it off, my entire shower stall looks like a crime scene. But I've never been known for my coordination.
 
Why has her 4 year love interest with the son not come forward to defend her- that one I don't get, at all.

Maybe they don't want to be associated with a sick demented murderer.
 
I've been watching In Session from yesterday and the crime scene photographer Heather Conner and it inspired me to write this letter to the Mesa PD:

I have been watching this Jodi Arias trial with interest. My sister who lived in Mesa was murdered in 1988 and we dealt extensively with the Mesa PD. Suffice to say I have quite a bit of experience sitting in courtrooms viewing testimony of crime scenes.
I have been viewing the testimony of the crime scene photographer Heather Conner and I just wanted to say that I don't think I've seen such a precise and thorough crime scene witness anywhere in any trial.
Ms. Conner's demeanor is what they should use in trainings to teach personnel "how to testify". She displays the perfect blend of competence and confidence. She inspires complete trust in me in her abilities in her job. While watching her, I feel like I'm seeing a person who's landed in life with exactly what she was born to do.
I'm so impressed with her, I felt the need to write it to the PD. I feel grateful to live in an area that hires and/or trains employees with such professionalism. I hope this letter ends up in her file.

Thank you.

I agree, Heather Conner is a great witness. If I were on the jury I would find her professional and believable.

I'm so sorry for your loss.
 
Good morning/afternoon everyone! :seeya:



Katie, this letter is wonderful and so are you! Talk about being involved in a system and a process in the very best way.
I admire how you've gone through such a journey-- from losing your sister in the worst way to being involved with so much insight and passion for our criminal justice system. I can imagine how special (and rare) it will be for the Mesa PD and Heather Conner to read your letter, I don't think many people take the time to thank them for doing their job exceptionally well.

Thanks for all you do!

Thank you LPp. I've never been shy to admit that my interest in following murder trials is not always the most healthy choice in life BUT I do always, ALWAYS reach out to the victims' families in some way to offer my support. That is a path I know something about and the fact that my life has gone on in a way that's not destroyed is a testimony that that, can happen. I guess that's worth something.

I reached out to Travis' sister (after she "liked" one of my FB comments) before I went to court this week. Of course I just said I totally got her need for privacy but to know I was there holding the high watch for her and her family during court. I found it ironic that once I got there the public gallery was filled so the court person sat me in the seat directly behind her. You have to look for signs of life in these horrific situations.

I hope you saw my post yesterday appreciating your signature line. I read it every time I read one of your posts. :heartbeat:
 
Don't you put a plastic thing on your hair when dying it? She had a lot of hair. Can't see doing it in a gas station bathroom, but don't truck stops have showers?

BTW, I can see TA had hair on his legs.

Is it in a blog of a female friend where she talks about him shaving?

I though he was talking about all over the body , not just his private area. To me that would be an unusual conversation to have for him as he was selling a clothing line of modest clothes for women.

yes you usually cover your hair with plastic if you can while it's doing it's thing for at least 30 min. Her washing that off in a sink would have been very very messy. She would also have had to come prepared with a towel in her car. I don't usually take a road trip with a towel. Oh and a plastic cap does NOT come with the hair dye kit...she'd have to come prepared with that too. That is if she didn't take a stop at a motel to dye her hair and get herself dolled up for murder. Ugh.
 
Don't they have hair dressers in California?

I think the hair color change was part of her disguise. She probably wouldn't want a hair dresser because that would leave more of a trail in terms of receipts, eyewitnesses, testimonies, etc. The more I learn about Arias, I really do think she was trying to impersonate Travis's friend, Mimi, just in case someone saw her in Mesa. Further points in the direction of premeditation.
 
Well, I do think it is strange that JA would drag his body into the shower if it were self defense. I would think if she were in that much fear he would kill her she would have left before finishing him off. She certainly had every opportunity to do so. What got me the most was her comment when she was talking about the ninjas, how she grabbed her bag of clothes and then left him with them to finish him off. Never tried to call police and maybe save his life.....she just left and probably was covered in blood if she tried to help him as she said she did. But by some miracle there was no blood found on the driver's seat of the rental car. I can see why she dropped that story. jmo
 
Don't they have hair dressers in California?

I would think so. We have them in Louisiana, but if I was gonna dye my hair then be involved in a heinous crime, I might not go to the hairdresser! I cannot imagine dyeing hair from rest stop to rest stop. Heck most of those places are filthy and only have cold water. Unless she stopped at the bigger rig stops, then I would think she would have been on video, but could have been recorded over.
 
Just a thought here, but it could be that the 'Koolaid stains' found on the seats of the rental car could have been drippings from the hair dye episode. I can see how a brown color, mixed with rinse water could result in a reddish tone.

I thought about that as well. When the rental car agent "Colombo" testified, he said he removed the stain himself.
So, my question is, is there anything that will remove hair dye from fabric?
If so, then the dye being the cause of the stains is possible, IMHO.

As I type this the ad on the right is for Budget Rent A Car... freaky. :-)

:ufo:
 
I've wondered that too.... It's like putting cookies on a counter and telling the kids to stay out of them! It's just so odd that it airs during this long break in the trial. Perhaps they will opt to watch the "Prosecuting Casey Anthony" and are reminded of how *that* jury screwed up so badly.
The court had/has to know that is airing this weekend. I wonder if they were instructed not to watch that as well? Hmmmm?

We can only hope. :-)
 
I thought about that as well. When the rental car agent "Colombo" testified, he said he removed the stain himself.
So, my question is, is there anything that will remove hair dye from fabric?
If so, then the dye being the cause of the stains is possible, IMHO.

As I type this the ad on the right is for Budget Rent A Car... freaky. :-)

:ufo:

No, any dye containing peroxide would be impossible to remove.

If it were a color rinse probably.


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I thought about that as well. When the rental car agent "Colombo" testified, he said he removed the stain himself.
So, my question is, is there anything that will remove hair dye from fabric?
If so, then the dye being the cause of the stains is possible, IMHO.

As I type this the ad on the right is for Budget Rent A Car... freaky. :-)

:ufo:

I don't know if the interior was leather, imitation leather or cloth. If it was leather/imitation, it would have been easier to clean. But even if it was cloth, and a temp hair color was used, car detailers have some amazing detergents and techniques to get a car squeaky clean.

Forgot to add this: About the Budget Rent A Car ad appearing while you typed the post. I like to think when those things happen, it is the universe winking back at us, giving us a sign, maybe a nod that we are on the right path.
 
I thought about that as well. When the rental car agent "Colombo" testified, he said he removed the stain himself.
So, my question is, is there anything that will remove hair dye from fabric?
If so, then the dye being the cause of the stains is possible, IMHO.

As I type this the ad on the right is for Budget Rent A Car... freaky. :-)

:ufo:

Perfect use of the beam me up emoticon. lol
 
Hair mishaps, oh dear...accidently dyed mine green once, way back in the 80s when I was adventurous, lol. I remember using a kind of temporary hair color, don't recall the brand (but it was cheap!) that came in a big grey bottle. It rinsed right out easily. I can see this kind of temp hair color not bleaching the car interior permanently if it was diluted with enough water.

Was it Rouix or Roux?? Something like that. I remember it back in the 70's. (dating myself here LOL)
 
Hi All, I'm new here. I first saw the case on Dr. Drew and then found websleuths as I was looking for more information on the case. I've probably read 40% of the trial thread. Since we are in delay until the end of the month, I can catch up. Now that my account is set up I can add my two cents. Below I address the psychological motivations I see in the case (MOO).

My theory for MOTIVE lies in the rejection she experienced from Travis. Jodi did everything in her power to BECOME the woman of Travis' dreams, and when that was not successful in winning his love, she felt sufficiently destroyed to destroy him. Her personal devastation was illustrated by the bloody mess she made of Travis and his life.

When she joined his church AND became his sex partner--conflicting behaviors in Travis' mind. She pretty much guaranteed her own rejection. Travis could not reconcile both those urges in himself ("I want to experience my sex drive fulfilled/I want to exemplify the values of my church). Her ability to have unrepressed sex AND espouse Mormonism without experiencing the conflict Travis did points to her moral ambiguity, and the lack of serious commitment she had for his ("their") religion.

From her description of their break up (due to "BOTH" of their trust issues--her statement), her inability to observe appropriate boundaries was established quite early in their relationship BEFORE any break up. Their relationship in name was "over" in 5 months time. In those short five months they went from an "in love" or "in lust" state, developed a very involved sexual relationship, (she) developed (or already had) a chronic insecurity she could not ignore, that led to her trespassing all of the boundaries of healthy relationships. Hacking multiple accounts is never ok. There is no justification for it. An emotionally normal person breaks up with someone they are chronically suspicious of, it is a very different kind of person who makes it their life's work to infiltrate the most private areas of another persons psyche (stealing journals) and life. These disrespectful and boundary-trespassing behaviors led to arguments and bad feel ings and a "break up". For all of this to happen in five short months shows how intense the relationship was. Most couples are in the "in love" period for 9, 12, or 18 months before ugly or uncomfortable things start to happen. That's when the "work" of the relationship begins.


No matter what is reported by JA (unfortunately, we only get her take on their relationship), JA and TA continued their relationship until the day he was murdered. Although Travis wanted to "break up" with in June of 2007, he didn't do "breaking up" behavior. His intention was to break-up, but his behavior didn't match his intentions. He continued to talk to her, see her, have sex with her, and plan trips with her. All of these behaviors gave Jodi hope that she was still a candidate for Travis' life partner.

Clearly, Jodi was still doing the "stalking" behavior of hacking into Travis' accounts even after Travis' death. In the interview with Flores she talks with animation of their 1000 places to see project, and how he was planning to come to California at the end of 2008 to see the Oregon coast. When she became aware that Travis was planning ANOTHER trip with someone else (Cancun), and it was on the 1000 list. This was more behavior that really did support a "breaking up" intention. Also, Travis very likely canceled the trip to the Oregon coast (it isn't likely he would be off again as soon as he was back from Cancun). My guess is that Jodi's plan to destroy Travis began when she received the news that he was planning the trip to Cancun with another woman. I see it as confirmation that he was willing to have sex with her (as long as she was willing to provide it) but was not willing to share the most special moments of his life with her. She was not Cancun material---this knowledge was unbearable to Jodi.

In discussing the manner of Travis' murder, there are people who think the messy overkill was not planned. I disagree with this. I think everything Jodi did was purposeful. She stabbed him in the heart, slit his throat and shot him because she was enraged by his rejection. When she says "if I were going to kill him I would shoot him, t least it would be humane". But that is not what she did because she did not want it to be humane. She was not trying to do it quick and neat. She was fully prepared to literally slaughter, and that is exactly what she did.

Something more I've noticed is the total lack of anxiety, anguish, tension, or fear in any photo or video of her. Her face is extraordinarily youthful and unlined---as if the normal anxieties of humanness do not wash over her face. It is an utterly serene countenance. I do think she is without conscience or empathy. I do not know the differentiation of antisocial, psychopath, sociopath, etc., but she appears utterly, utterly without the normal twitchiness, fidgetiness and expression of most people.

I'm excited to talk more about evidence, etc. but I wanted to get on the board with my observations and thoughts thus far.


Oh, one more thing. I think the BRAIDED pigtails are not an accident but an attempt to keep her hair contained for what was coming.
 
Jodi definitely has the knack for art. Too bad she wasted it! The Grace Kelly is very well done, considering what she has available for use.
 
I am absolutely amazed, that in this day and age, we have so little information about Jodi's childhood, her friends, boyfriends, home-life etc. No teachers coming forward, neighbors, sports friends etc. It really boggles my mind.

Why has her 4 year love interest with the son not come forward to defend her- that one I don't get, at all.

Also, in the Documentary/48 hours episode they barely glossed over her life in Yreka, only showing quaint photos of the downtown (and it is a darling little town in terms of the main street)- they never once showed a photo of her grandparents actual home and they went so far as to insinuate that Jodi and Travis had much different childhoods- stating that his was poverty stricken with drug addicted parents and that Jodi's was somewhat normal. Where was Jodi's actual home located with her parents and siblings while she was growing up?

Jodi even commented herself in the show that her "childhood what somewhat ideal."

Really?

Weren't her parents divorced? Didn't she run away from home on several occasions and I was under the impression that she never graduated from high school!

Am I the only one who finds this less than 'ideal' in terms of childhoods?

I really want to know her history. Her life long history!

I'm with you on these questions and concerns.

What keeps coming to mind is that maybe what I view as her "psychopathic ways" had friends, family and acquaintances fooled and entranced all these years. Perhaps everyone was under her spell, like her friend who testified at the end of the state's case was. Like Travis was when he first met her. Like most people view her on the surface, --sweet, soft-spoken, gentle, harmless, charming, etc.

Maybe they went through shock and denial when she was arrested and charged with the murder but have been grappling to accept that she is in fact capable of such a heinous act. At some point when they saw her absurd lies in the face of clear evidence they had to wonder what was really going on with her.

JA was so open with her online posts, pictures, blogs and in interviews yet we know almost nothing about her family - except when she seemed to "use" them as reasons for what SHE was going to lose out on in life.


There are certainly inconsistencies from what little we know about her so-called "ideal" childhood and what actually was. I've never seen or heard anything about her father. I wonder if she has/had daddy issues, that always seems to work in criminal trials with young women accused of horrible crimes.
 
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