The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #11

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Was it Rouix or Roux?? Something like that. I remember it back in the 70's. (dating myself here LOL)

Yes! My mom used it once on her blonde hair making it appear brown. She and my dad went dancing,.. It started running down her face when she started sweating! Lol


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Agree, but not sure how she would get it on the back and passenger seats of the car.

If the stains were from the dye, it could be from the towel/turban she wrapped around her head while driving from rest stop a to rest stop b. Stain 2 could be from after the rinse out she wrapped head and there was residue.
Just throwing it out there for sake of discussion. :-)
 
Welcome LadyEdith! Very insightful first post! Thanks for joining.
 
Hi All, I'm new here. I first saw the case on Dr. Drew and then found websleuths as I was looking for more information on the case. I've probably read 40% of the trial thread. Since we are in delay until the end of the month, I can catch up. Now that my account is set up I can add my two cents. Below I address the psychological motivations I see in the case (MOO).

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Hi Lady Edith,

First of all let me extend my condolences for you getting jilted at the altar last weekend ;)

This was just a brilliant post. I couldn't agree more with your conclusions. I too think she was fixated on that 1000 places to see "bond" in their relationship and when she realized he was extending that "sacred territory" to someone else, that was it.

Thank you for this well written and thought provoking first post. :seeya:
 
Hi All, I'm new here. I first saw the case on Dr. Drew and then found websleuths as I was looking for more information on the case. I've probably read 40% of the trial thread. Since we are in delay until the end of the month, I can catch up. Now that my account is set up I can add my two cents. Below I address the psychological motivations I see in the case (MOO).

My theory for MOTIVE lies in the rejection she experienced from Travis. Jodi did everything in her power to BECOME the woman of Travis' dreams, and when that was not successful in winning his love, she felt sufficiently destroyed to destroy him. Her personal devastation was illustrated by the bloody mess she made of Travis and his life.

When she joined his church AND became his sex partner--conflicting behaviors in Travis' mind. She pretty much guaranteed her own rejection. Travis could not reconcile both those urges in himself ("I want to experience my sex drive fulfilled/I want to exemplify the values of my church). Her ability to have unrepressed sex AND espouse Mormonism without experiencing the conflict Travis did points to her moral ambiguity, and the lack of serious commitment she had for his ("their") religion.

From her description of their break up (due to "BOTH" of their trust issues--her statement), her inability to observe appropriate boundaries was established quite early in their relationship BEFORE any break up. Their relationship in name was "over" in 5 months time. In those short five months they went from an "in love" or "in lust" state, developed a very involved sexual relationship, (she) developed (or already had) a chronic insecurity she could not ignore, that led to her trespassing all of the boundaries of healthy relationships. Hacking multiple accounts is never ok. There is no justification for it. An emotionally normal person breaks up with someone they are chronically suspicious of, it is a very different kind of person who makes it their life's work to infiltrate the most private areas of another persons psyche (stealing journals) and life. These disrespectful and boundary-trespassing behaviors led to arguments and bad feel ings and a "break up". For all of this to happen in five short months shows how intense the relationship was. Most couples are in the "in love" period for 9, 12, or 18 months before ugly or uncomfortable things start to happen. That's when the "work" of the relationship begins.


No matter what is reported by JA (unfortunately, we only get her take on their relationship), JA and TA continued their relationship until the day he was murdered. Although Travis wanted to "break up" with in June of 2007, he didn't do "breaking up" behavior. His intention was to break-up, but his behavior didn't match his intentions. He continued to talk to her, see her, have sex with her, and plan trips with her. All of these behaviors gave Jodi hope that she was still a candidate for Travis' life partner.

Clearly, Jodi was still doing the "stalking" behavior of hacking into Travis' accounts even after Travis' death. In the interview with Flores she talks with animation of their 1000 places to see project, and how he was planning to come to California at the end of 2008 to see the Oregon coast. When she became aware that Travis was planning ANOTHER trip with someone else (Cancun), and it was on the 1000 list. This was more behavior that really did support a "breaking up" intention. Also, Travis very likely canceled the trip to the Oregon coast (it isn't likely he would be off again as soon as he was back from Cancun). My guess is that Jodi's plan to destroy Travis began when she received the news that he was planning the trip to Cancun with another woman. I see it as confirmation that he was willing to have sex with her (as long as she was willing to provide it) but was not willing to share the most special moments of his life with her. She was not Cancun material---this knowledge was unbearable to Jodi.

In discussing the manner of Travis' murder, there are people who think the messy overkill was not planned. I disagree with this. I think everything Jodi did was purposeful. She stabbed him in the heart, slit his throat and shot him because she was enraged by his rejection. When she says "if I were going to kill him I would shoot him, t least it would be humane". But that is not what she did because she did not want it to be humane. She was not trying to do it quick and neat. She was fully prepared to literally slaughter, and that is exactly what she did.

Something more I've noticed is the total lack of anxiety, anguish, tension, or fear in any photo or video of her. Her face is extraordinarily youthful and unlined---as if the normal anxieties of humanness do not wash over her face. It is an utterly serene countenance. I do think she is without conscience or empathy. I do not know the differentiation of antisocial, psychopath, sociopath, etc., but she appears utterly, utterly without the normal twitchiness, fidgetiness and expression of most people.

I'm excited to talk more about evidence, etc. but I wanted to get on the board with my observations and thoughts thus far.


Oh, one more thing. I think the BRAIDED pigtails are not an accident but an attempt to keep her hair contained for what was coming.

Excellent first post!

Welcome to Websleuths! Glad you found us.


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Was it Rouix or Roux?? Something like that. I remember it back in the 70's. (dating myself here LOL)

YES! I believe it was Roux Fanci-Full Rinse that I used. Looked it up on Amazon. It now comes also in a mousse. Back in the 70s/early 80s, it only came in a bottle (at least where I live, Northeast US). As I remember, it didn't come with a plastic cap and cleanup was a breeze, only needing a little soap and water to remove the colored drips from the countertop/sink area.
 
If the stains were from the dye, it could be from the towel/turban she wrapped around her head while driving from rest stop a to rest stop b. Stain 2 could be from after the rinse out she wrapped head and there was residue.
Just throwing it out there for sake of discussion. :-)

my kids have dyed their hair from brown to black, to red......only the red would cause a stain that would look like koolaide....I do think it was leftover to say from the murder....I wish that they would have been able to examine it before the detailing....
 
YES! I believe it was Roux Fanci-Full Rinse that I used. Looked it up on Amazon. It now comes also in a mousse. Back in the 70s/early 80s, it only came in a bottle (at least where I live, Northeast US). As I remember, it didn't come with a plastic cap and cleanup was a breeze, only needing a little soap and water to remove the colored drips from the countertop/sink area.

Hey! Maybe she did his hair too and that's the dark running down a bit on his showering pics?


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I would think so. We have them in Louisiana, but if I was gonna dye my hair then be involved in a heinous crime, I might not go to the hairdresser! I cannot imagine dyeing hair from rest stop to rest stop. Heck most of those places are filthy and only have cold water. Unless she stopped at the bigger rig stops, then I would think she would have been on video, but could have been recorded over.

Lol, heck, I have never been involved in a heinous crime and I don't go to a hairdresser! I have done my own double-processed color and highlights for 15 years.

And I cannot IMAGINE dying my hair in rest stop bathrooms. ITA that is ICK.

I don't think the stains are her hair dye, and I am really wanting to know what they are. I wish we had more info than "kool aid looking". That is just so vague......
 
Does anyone know where Jodi was raised with her mom and dad early in life?
 
It would be interesting to see a hair color picture timeline of JA leading up to and following the murder including date, time, location and activity (eg renting car, ATM deposit, traffic stop due to upside down license plate, etc).
 
Does anyone know where Jodi was raised with her mom and dad early in life?

Wikipedia (for what it's worth) says she was born in Monterey CA. Also that she is Mexican descent (father) and German/English (mother).

Not sure how accurate that is. Her mother also looks somewhat Hispanic to me.
 
Hi All, I'm new here. I first saw the case on Dr. Drew and then found websleuths as I was looking for more information on the case. I've probably read 40% of the trial thread. Since we are in delay until the end of the month, I can catch up. Now that my account is set up I can add my two cents. Below I address the psychological motivations I see in the case (MOO).

My theory for MOTIVE lies in the rejection she experienced from Travis. Jodi did everything in her power to BECOME the woman of Travis' dreams, and when that was not successful in winning his love, she felt sufficiently destroyed to destroy him. Her personal devastation was illustrated by the bloody mess she made of Travis and his life.

When she joined his church AND became his sex partner--conflicting behaviors in Travis' mind. She pretty much guaranteed her own rejection. Travis could not reconcile both those urges in himself ("I want to experience my sex drive fulfilled/I want to exemplify the values of my church). Her ability to have unrepressed sex AND espouse Mormonism without experiencing the conflict Travis did points to her moral ambiguity, and the lack of serious commitment she had for his ("their") religion.

From her description of their break up (due to "BOTH" of their trust issues--her statement), her inability to observe appropriate boundaries was established quite early in their relationship BEFORE any break up. Their relationship in name was "over" in 5 months time. In those short five months they went from an "in love" or "in lust" state, developed a very involved sexual relationship, (she) developed (or already had) a chronic insecurity she could not ignore, that led to her trespassing all of the boundaries of healthy relationships. Hacking multiple accounts is never ok. There is no justification for it. An emotionally normal person breaks up with someone they are chronically suspicious of, it is a very different kind of person who makes it their life's work to infiltrate the most private areas of another persons psyche (stealing journals) and life. These disrespectful and boundary-trespassing behaviors led to arguments and bad feel ings and a "break up". For all of this to happen in five short months shows how intense the relationship was. Most couples are in the "in love" period for 9, 12, or 18 months before ugly or uncomfortable things start to happen. That's when the "work" of the relationship begins.


No matter what is reported by JA (unfortunately, we only get her take on their relationship), JA and TA continued their relationship until the day he was murdered. Although Travis wanted to "break up" with in June of 2007, he didn't do "breaking up" behavior. His intention was to break-up, but his behavior didn't match his intentions. He continued to talk to her, see her, have sex with her, and plan trips with her. All of these behaviors gave Jodi hope that she was still a candidate for Travis' life partner.

Clearly, Jodi was still doing the "stalking" behavior of hacking into Travis' accounts even after Travis' death. In the interview with Flores she talks with animation of their 1000 places to see project, and how he was planning to come to California at the end of 2008 to see the Oregon coast. When she became aware that Travis was planning ANOTHER trip with someone else (Cancun), and it was on the 1000 list. This was more behavior that really did support a "breaking up" intention. Also, Travis very likely canceled the trip to the Oregon coast (it isn't likely he would be off again as soon as he was back from Cancun). My guess is that Jodi's plan to destroy Travis began when she received the news that he was planning the trip to Cancun with another woman. I see it as confirmation that he was willing to have sex with her (as long as she was willing to provide it) but was not willing to share the most special moments of his life with her. She was not Cancun material---this knowledge was unbearable to Jodi.

In discussing the manner of Travis' murder, there are people who think the messy overkill was not planned. I disagree with this. I think everything Jodi did was purposeful. She stabbed him in the heart, slit his throat and shot him because she was enraged by his rejection. When she says "if I were going to kill him I would shoot him, t least it would be humane". But that is not what she did because she did not want it to be humane. She was not trying to do it quick and neat. She was fully prepared to literally slaughter, and that is exactly what she did.

Something more I've noticed is the total lack of anxiety, anguish, tension, or fear in any photo or video of her. Her face is extraordinarily youthful and unlined---as if the normal anxieties of humanness do not wash over her face. It is an utterly serene countenance. I do think she is without conscience or empathy. I do not know the differentiation of antisocial, psychopath, sociopath, etc., but she appears utterly, utterly without the normal twitchiness, fidgetiness and expression of most people.

I'm excited to talk more about evidence, etc. but I wanted to get on the board with my observations and thoughts thus far.


Oh, one more thing. I think the BRAIDED pigtails are not an accident but an attempt to keep her hair contained for what was coming.

I agree... and she stole his journals. He was talking to her and still seeing her BUT he was telling his friends that she was *insert horrible names* and he wanted nothing to do with her. I cant even imagine how seething and angry she must have become reading what he had wrote in those journals. AND the trip to Cancun was more fuel for the fire.. not only was he going with another woman BUT... he was also going with Chris and Sky Hughes... the very people who she walked in on... Warning Travis about JA... causing TA & JA to 'take their relationship underground' (In Chris and Sky's words TA could never bring JA back around their kids... No more meeting in the middle.) I'm sure that JA felt completely helpless in how to get TA back...and knowing that even if Travis would change his mind about the trip.. she still wouldnt be welcomed on the trip by his friends... and it makes me wonder if... because he was scheduled to go on that trip with Chris and Sky... if that was the reason he chose NOT to take JA....
uggghhh Still so many questions.
 
I wonder what her reasoning was for dying her hair? Did she dye her hair different colors often? Was this the first time she had been brunette in a while since she was blonde?
 
In the pic that shows Jodi dragging TA, she is wearing clothes that one would not normallly wear in June in Arizona. Bet she had shorts and t shirt underneath and took of bloody clothes, threw them in back seat and passenger seat before getting on the road. We know she didn't leave the bloody clothes at Travis' and she would be taking a big chance of getting stopped with blood all over her. Oh, but the smell of all of that blood, I almost gag at the thought. So metallic!
 
I wonder what her reasoning was for dying her hair? Did she dye her hair different colors often? Was this the first time she had been brunette in a while since she was blonde?

I think she is blonde in most if not all of the pics with TA. It was part of her disguise, part of the pre meditation!
 
Wikipedia (for what it's worth) says she was born in Monterey CA. Also that she is Mexican descent (father) and German/English (mother).

Not sure how accurate that is. Her mother also looks somewhat Hispanic to me.


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These are pictures of her and her dad... early years and at the Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk. (From her Myspace page)
 
Wikipedia (for what it's worth) says she was born in Monterey CA. Also that she is Mexican descent (father) and German/English (mother).

Not sure how accurate that is. Her mother also looks somewhat Hispanic to me.

Why has her sister Angela claimed Native American descent?
 
Hi. I just want to say in advance that I am in no way trying to offend anyone or aggressively attack anyone else's idea.
I am just speculating based on incomplete knowledge of the situation.
Please do not respond if you find it too difficult or annoying to do so.

Also, I am in NO way excusing JA's actions and hope that she is prosecuted to the FULL EXTENT of the law.

So that's my disclaimer. Now on to the nitty gritty...

I have a kinda some theories rolling around in my head about the psychological dynamics of JA and TA.
I think they are a classic pairing of Narcissist and Borderline personalities.
TA the narcissist (maybe not full blown personality disorder, but the traits seem to be there) got off on JA's attention, her adoration and eagerness to take on all his interests, do whatever he wanted in the sack.

The borderline JA can only feel whole and worthwhile if she can keep her hold on her Golden Boy.

If you're interested in this stuff, I am linking some articles. Does anyone else see shades of JA and TA?

http://www.apa.org/monitor/mar04/mixing.aspx
http://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=98299.0
http://www.drwendyschwartz.com/Los-...-borderline-and-narcissist-love-relationship/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2790397/
http://gettinbetter.com/anatomy.html
 
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