The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #11

[Linda7NJ]

A woman defense attorney yesterday on IS said she had seen and dealt with many criminal defendants but she thinks JA is the scariest defendant she has ever seen. She said she 'looks' so normal as if to say there is no way to tell how wicked someone is under their mask. And that is true.

There are certainly more psychopaths out there that will strike in the future. Imo Black Widow murderers are also phychopaths because they are capable of watching their victims in pain and great suffering who dying a torturous death right before their eyes. They show no emotions because they absolutely do not care about others. The only emotions they feel is when they feel they have been wronged and they always blame someone else rather than themselves. People are just stepping stones for them to get what they want.

She fits the profile of a psychopath to a T. Its chilling to read all the traits and the face that imerges is clearly Jodi Arias' face.

Yes, the psychopath's objective is to make themselves the center of attention and in the best most favorable light. She couldnt say she was really the one who was obessively jealous for that wouldnt make her look good so to build herself up she had to say that Travis was the one who was jealous of her. That way it is still all about JA and makes her appear to be appealing and alluring.

When in truth it is obvious he wasnt jealous of her. In fact I wouldnt be surprised if Travis didnt pray a lot that she found someone else and would leave him alone. He could have stayed with JA if he had wanted to and she would have been right up under his butt 24/7 breathing his own air.

But he didnt want to be with JA anymore and that is why he died a horrible death because he had the courage to try to get out of an abusive relationship with a dangerous woman. Many victims have died after a break up. It is the most dangerous time for DV victims.

IMO

Excellent post! It's like she wanted to BE him.

Like that line... Skin him and wear him like last years verchi


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[panthera]

Another odd thing to me....did anyone (roomies) not think it odd that TA's car was there all that time with no sign of him?

I think it would depend on what arrangements the roommates may have thought he made for leaving on the trip.

Obviously they didn't think anything was wrong until they detected the odor.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think a friend of TA said on NG that TA had told him that JA had hacked into TA's FB account.

Again, I am in NO WAY blaming the victim, but...
Wouldn't you go change all your passwords?
Also, wouldn't you freak out if your psycho exgf was coming in thru the doggy door (if that's even true)?

I cannot wrap my head around it.

He probably felt safe after she moved to California!


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[katiecoolady]

A woman defense attorney yesterday on IS said she had seen and dealt with many criminal defendants but she thinks JA is the scariest defendant she has ever seen. She said she 'looks' so normal as if to say there is no way to tell how wicked someone is under their mask. And that is true.

There are certainly more psychopaths out there that will strike in the future. Imo Black Widow murderers are also phychopaths because they are capable of watching their victims in pain and great suffering who dying a torturous death right before their eyes. They show no emotions because they absolutely do not care about others. The only emotions they feel is when they feel they have been wronged and they always blame someone else rather than themselves. People are just stepping stones for them to get what they want.

She fits the profile of a psychopath to a T. Its chilling to read all the traits and the face that imerges is clearly Jodi Arias' face.

Yes, the psychopath's objective is to make themselves the center of attention and in the best most favorable light. She couldnt say she was really the one who was obessively jealous for that wouldnt make her look good so to build herself up she had to say that Travis was the one who was jealous of her. That way it is still all about JA and makes her appear to be appealing and alluring.

When in truth it is obvious he wasnt jealous of her. In fact I wouldnt be surprised if Travis didnt pray a lot that she found someone else and would leave him alone. He could have stayed with JA if he had wanted to and she would have been right up under his butt 24/7 breathing his own air.

But he didnt want to be with JA anymore and that is why he died a horrible death because he had the courage to try to get out of an abusive relationship with a dangerous woman. Many victims have died after a break up. It is the most dangerous time for DV victims.

IMO

Just reading your explanation which I agree with 100% is pre igniting a blood boiling in me just thinking about her FEMALE defense attorney floating this domestic violence defense. It is so so so very disrespectful to TRUE abuse victims ...such as her victim Travis! Yes I consider slashing your tires an act of ABUSE and violence!

What I am wondering about and I know you guys have opinions on this (paging Lady Edith as well) is what happens to the obsession once her "stalkee" is dead?

I mean all that energy--where does it go? Is there some kind of twisted grieving process for these stalkers? What happens with all of that? Does she miss it? Him? Thoughts?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think a friend of TA said on NG that TA had told him that JA had hacked into TA's FB account.

Again, I am in NO WAY blaming the victim, but...
Wouldn't you go change all your passwords?
Also, wouldn't you freak out if your psycho exgf was coming in thru the doggy door (if that's even true)?

I cannot wrap my head around it.

He was fearful. His gender is irrelevant he was in a domestic violence situation like so many have found themselves in. He just tried to survive it, imo. He even told his closest friends he felt she was going to wind up killing him like so many other DV victims have told family or friends and it came to pass. And most do not report abuse to LE and men are even less likely to do so. So they try to handle it on their own, imo.

He feared her so much he was afraid if he riled her up further her rage would even be worse. So imo he tried talking to her and appeasing and giving in to JA hoping and praying that one day she would finally leave him alone. I know.........Ive been there..living it day in and day out and did the same thing....so afraid to rile the beast..trying to do everything I could in order to keep him calm so he wouldnt rage.

I am sure Travis changed his password when he found she had hacked his accounts.

 

[all4justice]

JA is 10000 times more scary that CA.
She reminds me more of Dahmer than Bundy.

Katiecoollady hit the nail on the head when she said Jodi is like the sweet little child who turns out to be the villain in those horror movies. She has that sweet demeanor facade down pat. What makes Jodi so frightening is it makes you wonder how many other Jodi's there might be out there. I can't think of any female killers who are anywhere near as scary as she is.

It did make me think of one particular case involving the twin of an Alabama socialite who was convicted of killing her doctor husband. The twin was charged with hiring the hitman but she was found not guilty. I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that she was well respected in her community, active in her church, and had the reputation of being someone who went out of her way to help those in need. Her twin (wife of the doctor) on the other hand was buck wild! She was known to drink a lot and had lots of affairs. Because the twins were so close though, many believed that the "good twin" actually got away with murder because the jurors couldn't believe an "upstanding" woman like her could be involved in soliciting a murder.

http://huntsville.about.com/od/huntsvillians/a/wilsonmurder.htm

 

[Quester]

For a TV movie about this case, I think LLohan, on many levels, would be perfect in the role of JA. JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Just reading your explanation which I agree with 100% is pre igniting a blood boiling in me just thinking about her FEMALE defense attorney floating this domestic violence defense. It is so so so very disrespectful to TRUE abuse victims ...such as her victim Travis! Yes I consider slashing your tires an act of ABUSE and violence!

What I am wondering about and I know you guys have opinions on this (paging Lady Edith as well) is what happens to the obsession once her "stalkee" is dead?

I mean all that energy--where does it go? Is there some kind of twisted grieving process for these stalkers? What happens with all of that? Does she miss it? Him? Thoughts?

You know what? I can't be mad at her lawyer, he's doing his job. But his expert? Damn! That is just so wrong if an expert on DM testifies for the defense in this case. What a huge slap in the face to real victims by an expert and "advocate" for real victims.

Blood boiling here too


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[human]

I don't think they ever get any happiness from it. They just move on to someone else.

I wonder if she did things like this to others in her past? "Friends" who crossed her in some way in her mind? I don't mean kill. I mean exact revenge

 

[ladonna]

By no means is my intention to disparage Travis, but personally I believe he had his issues as well. He was an easy mark for someone like Jodi. A vunerable man, who wanted to be accepted in spite of his miserable childhood. The life of the party, comic, wanted the title of most popular irregardless if they were meaningful praises.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't think they ever get any happiness from it. They just move on to someone else.

I wonder if she did things like this to others in her past? "Friends" who crossed her in some way in her mind? I don't mean kill. I mean exact revenge

Agree. It's no different than you or I tossing away an empty soda bottle. He was an object not a person in her mind. IMO


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[Love Never Fails]

Excellent first post!

Welcome to Websleuths! Glad you found us.


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So glad to have you post here. Welcome! You so eloquently stated what so many of us are thinking. This was premeditated. I think Mr. Martinez will say all these things in his closing. She planned an execution and gave it a lot of thought. Hopefully, the jury agrees.

 

[Linda7NJ]

So glad to have you post here. Welcome! You so eloquently stated what so many of us are thinking. This was premeditated. I think Mr. Martinez will say all these things in his closing. She planned an execution and gave it a lot of thought. Hopefully, the jury agrees.

I think you copied the wrong post... But I'll take it! Lol

Thanks lol


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[Curious Me]

Just reading your explanation which I agree with 100% is pre igniting a blood boiling in me just thinking about her FEMALE defense attorney floating this domestic violence defense. It is so so so very disrespectful to TRUE abuse victims ...such as her victim Travis! Yes I consider slashing your tires an act of ABUSE and violence!

What I am wondering about and I know you guys have opinions on this (paging Lady Edith as well) is what happens to the obsession once her "stalkee" is dead?

I mean all that energy--where does it go? Is there some kind of twisted grieving process for these stalkers? What happens with all of that? Does she miss it? Him? Thoughts?

JMO - It's usually a pattern for them, so I would think there are others who had similar experiences with her. They discard, and move on to another victim. Yes, she misses him and remembers their love was so "compelling". She likes that word "compelling".

 

[LambChop]

You saw the pics? You saw the lube in the pics? He did call himself a dildo with a heartbeat. He did refer to her as a 3 hole wonder.




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I did. And I understand what TA was saying to her. The jar she could have brought with her as I doubt he had it just laying around. She planned everything else, including taking pictures so why not the jar. He had no use for it. And we can see by the pictures they were nude. What I'm saying is we only have her word for it they were having a running sexual relationship. TA may have had a different story about their physical contact and there are many ways to just have physical contact for enjoyment.

I'm sure JA wanted to break his resistence through sex because she may have felt she could control him easily that way. If she showed up that night expecting to break him down he may have resisted and she knew for sure he was done with her. I would not be surprised if he did give in to her initially but broke it off with her because he felt he could not control her.

I also think she took those pictures for insurance in case he agreed to take her to Cancun. She could have always held them over his head by threats keeping her relationship with him secure. If she were having sex with him on a regular basis she would have taken those pictures long before she did. While they give the impression she had sex with him there still is no proof other than she may have been in bed with him nude.

Defense would love for the jurors to believe they were having sex all that time but in truth the only proof would be for Travis to testify, or Jodi. Any other person's testimony would be hearsay, I believe, and can't be introduced. So tagging a man as a "player" is unfair when there is no one other than JA who will testify that he was using her as a sex toy. So far all I have heard from his friends is that TA tried to get rid of her and ignored their advice to go to the police and get a restraining order on her. jmo

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Just reading your explanation which I agree with 100% is pre igniting a blood boiling in me just thinking about her FEMALE defense attorney floating this domestic violence defense. It is so so so very disrespectful to TRUE abuse victims ...such as her victim Travis! Yes I consider slashing your tires an act of ABUSE and violence!

What I am wondering about and I know you guys have opinions on this (paging Lady Edith as well) is what happens to the obsession once her "stalkee" is dead?

I mean all that energy--where does it go? Is there some kind of twisted grieving process for these stalkers? What happens with all of that? Does she miss it? Him? Thoughts?

She did do that creepy TA tribute on (his/her?) fb page. That and the entries in her diary where she's talking about naming her first son "Alexander". I'm not sure she's capable of grief per say, but I think her obsession hasn't diminished. If she would have had the chance to play the victim, she would have done it for the rest of her life. She would have ridden on his coat tails until the very end.

Very sick woman.

 

[katiecoolady]

You know what? I can't be mad at her lawyer, he's doing his job. But his expert? Damn! That is just so wrong if an expert on DM testifies for the defense in this case. What a huge slap in the face to real victims by an expert and "advocate" for real victims.

Blood boiling here too


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I had dinner last weekend with some friends celebrating one of their retirement as a public defender (in this system) and discussing this case. They know Jodi's female defense atty and consider her a friend so were a little surprised when I gave my personal opinion about how disgusted I am at this defense. As I told her (happy retirement! Let me now trash your profession!) it's like the State is all about proving the TRUTH of what happened in a crime and the defense is all about "let's see what we can cook up as a plausible story of excuses that maybe a jury might swallow" and it's all accepted as normal! My friend nodded her head in agreement but they are so entrenched in this just being the way it is it's just normalized.

It's like it's just ok for defense attorneys to fabricate a completely preposterous story, find paid expert$ who will sell their soul to the devil by sitting up there selling stories they KNOW are BS (damn if I didn't see this in the Hemy Newman trial) and act like this is all ok. Oh and let's not forget TRASHING THE VICTIM'S name in the process! Sweet!

Our system has gone so far past a "fair and adequate defense" for killers swinging the tides of justice so far in their direction it just makes me sick. And if she's sentenced to death? That will all just escalate and get worse.

Her attorneys know she's guilty, she's not abused and they don't care.

How about the truth? She clearly has problems, she clearly murdered him in a fit of rage, she did it out of jealousy, can you find something to give her some leniency? How about some kind of defense that even RESEMBLES the truth in an attempt to defend the indefensible and does not trash the victim in a completely abusive and reprehensible, shameful way further traumatizing all those who love him?

Where is the dang soapbox icon when I need it? Stepping off now...I need to shower this all off of me! :banghead:

 

[lil_buddy]

Just reading your explanation which I agree with 100% is pre igniting a blood boiling in me just thinking about her FEMALE defense attorney floating this domestic violence defense. It is so so so very disrespectful to TRUE abuse victims ...such as her victim Travis! Yes I consider slashing your tires an act of ABUSE and violence!

What I am wondering about and I know you guys have opinions on this (paging Lady Edith as well) is what happens to the obsession once her "stalkee" is dead?

I mean all that energy--where does it go? Is there some kind of twisted grieving process for these stalkers? What happens with all of that? Does she miss it? Him? Thoughts?

I agree. It is revolting that she is claiming self-defense to DV.

In my experience, people like this are constantly working out in their minds how they are not to blame for their behavior - constantly weaving the story to make the victim to blame.

This is why they LOVE to talk (besides atention) - saying it out loud to them seems to make their tales more true. For every fabrication they put forth that no one questions - it helps them to convince themselves of the validity.

If I were to guess her feelings it would go something like this: Why couldn't he just love me? Then I wouldn't have HAD to do what I did.

 

[Laceybug]

Oh, if I were a man on that jury I'd want her put away forever. :jail:

You would hope so anyway.... BUT... she is young... soft spoken.. and a woman.... and they have seen ALL of her. Let's pray they put her away...forever.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I have not been able to find anything about TA's friends knowing he was having a sexual relationship with JA. Were they interviewed on a certain program? I can see him discussing that aspect, if it was true, with anyone from the Mormon faith, much less his friends. So far I have seen no evidence of sex between the two other than what JA claims happened. For all we know she and Travis just had the same type of contact as she did with Ryan. Any one no for sure what the answer is? jmo

It was in that 48 Hours program. The married couple, Skye and ?, were talking about it ams Skye voiced her disappointment that Travis carried on the sexual relationship with Jodi after the "official" break.

I don't remember if the other friends mentioned it....