The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #11

[oceanblueeyes]

Just reading your explanation which I agree with 100% is pre igniting a blood boiling in me just thinking about her FEMALE defense attorney floating this domestic violence defense. It is so so so very disrespectful to TRUE abuse victims ...such as her victim Travis! Yes I consider slashing your tires an act of ABUSE and violence!

What I am wondering about and I know you guys have opinions on this (paging Lady Edith as well) is what happens to the obsession once her "stalkee" is dead?

I mean all that energy--where does it go? Is there some kind of twisted grieving process for these stalkers? What happens with all of that? Does she miss it? Him? Thoughts?

Imo, once she murdered Travis and moved on as she said she immediately went hunting for another victim she could enslave and another one after Ryan. Imo they are always on the hunt for a replacement victim they can dominate and control if they have banished the one they had. That makes them feel complete and feeling empowered again.

I imagine she will do the same in jail. She can appear anyway she thinks people want her to appear so if she sees another female that she thinks she can dominate and control that will be her next target that has to deal with JA up close and personal.

She finds enablers and keeps them as long as they have a purpose. I believe she also uses her mother the same way and possibly has always enabled her. Very much like CA used her enabler parents.

 

[sawyergirl]

She did do that creepy TA tribute on (his/her?) fb page. That and the entries in her diary where she's talking about naming her first son "Alexander". I'm not sure she's capable of grief per say, but I think her obsession hasn't diminished. If she would have had the chance to play the victim, she would have done it for the rest of her life. She would have ridden on his coat tails until the very end.

Very sick woman.

I totally agree with you that she was obsessed even after death, listening to his voicemails after killing him and the like..and now and for ever more she will always be tied to him; as his murderer. Very sick woman indeed.

 

[Laceybug]

Agree. It's no different than you or I tossing away an empty soda bottle. He was an object not a person in her mind. IMO


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In all the transcripts... interviews... I dont think I've ever heard or read where she said she was sorry that Travis was killed. She DID say in the interrogation "It's not like I'm not remorseful" Thought that was a strange choice of wording...Shes not remorseful... at all.... MOO

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I'm so glad there is a new thread...I went to the last one and couldnt post. I thought... Ut oh... Im in trouble! I hate that feeling... the one where you're afraid you might have done something wrong, but you're not sure what. So glad I'm not in trouble... and able to post. Yay!

I was reading some of the posts in the last thread about the smell in the house and I had been wondering how the roommate was able to be in the house and not smell anything wrong... so I did some snooping and it may have been due to "Olfactory fatigue" I'm including a couple of links that explain it. (How we get use to certain smells after being exposed to them for a certain amount of time)

http://www.proteanservices.com/2012/03/bad-smell-why-we-get-used-to-them-so-quickly/


Olfactory fatigue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many think that using tomato juice will get rid of a skunk smell, but it doesn't work. It's still there afterwards.

Our backyard is an acre and we have ongoing visits from possums, racoons, coyotes,foxes and skunks. We have two Jack Russell that love to chase and go to ground after skunks, and have had nights of bathing a dog at three in the morning. We use the recipe and it really works.

Mix a quart of peroxide, a quarter cup of baking soda, and a good squirt of Dawn. Apply to dog directly on dry coat (careful around mouth and eyes) wait ten minutes (all the while trying to not let your dog shake all over the place) and rinse. The only hard thing to clean is their collars. You have to get used to the smell or buy a new one. We do it in our tub so we can close the curtain if they do want to shake and we can't stop it.

You need to double the recipe for a larger dog.

 

[Curious Me]

I want to add, IMO, that Jodi likes the word compelling because it is the closest she can come to having emotion.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I don't think they ever get any happiness from it. They just move on to someone else.

I wonder if she did things like this to others in her past? "Friends" who crossed her in some way in her mind? I don't mean kill. I mean exact revenge

Yes!

I am wondering the same thing. Did she have a pattern of stalking boyfriends? Other creepy or violent behaviors? Promiscuity?

I have said before I am ruined by the Pineallas 12 and I wanted the prosecution to have everything humanly possible on JA so she doesn't slip away.

And also, I want to know too.

 

[KMouse]

Just reading your explanation which I agree with 100% is pre igniting a blood boiling in me just thinking about her FEMALE defense attorney floating this domestic violence defense. It is so so so very disrespectful to TRUE abuse victims ...such as her victim Travis! Yes I consider slashing your tires an act of ABUSE and violence!

What I am wondering about and I know you guys have opinions on this (paging Lady Edith as well) is what happens to the obsession once her "stalkee" is dead?

I mean all that energy--where does it go? Is there some kind of twisted grieving process for these stalkers? What happens with all of that? Does she miss it? Him? Thoughts?

I don't think they think that far.

However, for the ones that do not get caught I think they make grieving a full time job. Poor Jodi. Somebody killed her best friend, the love of her life.

Only Jodi didn't get the sympathy of his family and friends. They had her number a long time ago.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I had dinner last weekend with some friends celebrating one of their retirement as a public defender (in this system) and discussing this case. They know Jodi's female defense atty and consider her a friend so were a little surprised when I gave my personal opinion about how disgusted I am at this defense. As I told her (happy retirement! Let me now trash your profession!) it's like the State is all about proving the TRUTH of what happened in a crime and the defense is all about "let's see what we can cook up as a plausible story of excuses that maybe a jury might swallow" and it's all accepted as normal! My friend nodded her head in agreement but they are so entrenched in this just being the way it is it's just normalized.

It's like it's just ok for defense attorneys to fabricate a completely preposterous story, find paid expert$ who will sell their soul to the devil by sitting up there selling stories they KNOW are BS (damn if I didn't see this in the Hemy Newman trial) and act like this is all ok. Oh and let's not forget TRASHING THE VICTIM'S name in the process! Sweet!

Our system has gone so far past a "fair and adequate defense" for killers swinging the tides of justice so far in their direction it just makes me sick. And if she's sentenced to death? That will all just escalate and get worse.

Her attorneys know she's guilty, she's not abused and they don't care.

How about the truth? She clearly has problems, she clearly murdered him in a fit of rage, she did it out of jealousy, can you find something to give her some leniency? How about some kind of defense that even RESEMBLES the truth in an attempt to defend the indefensible and does not trash the victim in a completely abusive and reprehensible, shameful way further traumatizing all those who love him?

Where is the dang soapbox icon when I need it? Stepping off now...I need to shower this all off me me! :banghead:

IMO the biggest misconception is trials are about getting to the truth. It's about winning. It's about the burden of the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Not all doubt, just a tad over a reasonable doubt.

The prosecution is for the victim, but they too push the limits and its not always about the truth of the matter. It's about what they believe they can prove.




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[oceanblueeyes]

That I believe was truly from him.

BBM: Bolded by me

ITA

That one had to be from Travis. JA would never say anything that put her in a bad light.

IMO

 

[KMouse]

I totally agree with you that she was obsessed even after death, listening to his voicemails after killing him and the like..and now and for ever more she will always be tied to him; as his murderer. Very sick woman indeed.

I feel so sad for his family.

 

[katiecoolady]

In all the transcripts... interviews... I dont think I've ever heard or read where she said she was sorry that Travis was killed. She DID say in the interrogation "It's not like I'm not remorseful" Thought that was a strange choice of wording...Shes not remorseful... at all.... MOO

Let's take this one step further. Ironically I have this on in the backround and just heard her say "it's not like I"m not remorseful that he died". That's right up there with "I'm sorry you feel that way" and calling it an apology. Hmph!

 

[FrayedKnot]

I think JA mostly reminds me of Scott Peterson.

Another shell who made poor attempts to present as a human being.

 

[panthera]

Lol, heck, I have never been involved in a heinous crime and I don't go to a hairdresser! I have done my own double-processed color and highlights for 15 years.

And I cannot IMAGINE dying my hair in rest stop bathrooms. ITA that is ICK.

I don't think the stains are her hair dye, and I am really wanting to know what they are. I wish we had more info than "kool aid looking". That is just so vague......

Honestly I cannot imagine she dyed her hair in between rest stops either. To me that would have attracted more attention had someone seen her than stopping at a hostel, motel or the local YMCA. How do we know for sure she didn't dye her hair before leaving home and starting the trip?

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[PASA]

IMO she behaves like a psychopathic sexual predator

She's the female version, that doesn't use physical force like a male would, her gift is manipulation and lies


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Yep, I agree.

 

[katiecoolady]

I think JA mostly reminds me of Scott Peterson.

Another shell who made poor attempts to present as a human being.

dingdingding

 

[Quester]

In all the transcripts... interviews... I dont think I've ever heard or read where she said she was sorry that Travis was killed. She DID say in the interrogation "It's not like I'm not remorseful" Thought that was a strange choice of wording...Shes not remorseful... at all.... MOO

I also found her odd use of the word "remorseful" startling since it was voiced at a time, IIRC, when she was spouting about the naughty ninja's being responsible.

 

[Linda7NJ]

You would hope so anyway.... BUT... she is young... soft spoken.. and a woman.... and they have seen ALL of her. Let's pray they put her away...forever.

I am wondering what that 80 year old man is thinking? My own dad would have volunteered to injected her


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[ladonna]

I'm still hoping we will hear about Jodi's live in of four years. How she conducted herself thru that relationship should be telling. Its my understanding upon meeting Travis, four days later she left the guy. Seems like a very abrupt move.

Four years is a very long time. One of the most solid relationships Jodi had. Wjy would she ditch it in favor of Travis?

 

[FrayedKnot]

This is the text TA sent to JA regarding her accessing his accounts, emails, etc....

10 May Sat Text (T to J) "Why don't you have him come and **** you in the woods, I can only imagine you are so worried about me reading. You are paranoid because you have no respect for people privacy and you dare insult me of all people. Someone you should through your actions you hate more than love by denying me a human right of privacy countless times. You have a lot of freaking nerve. We are all not like you in that aspect"


He was pizzzzzed!

 

[panthera]

I have not been able to find anything about TA's friends knowing he was having a sexual relationship with JA. Were they interviewed on a certain program? I can see him discussing that aspect, if it was true, with anyone from the Mormon faith, much less his friends. So far I have seen no evidence of sex between the two other than what JA claims happened. For all we know she and Travis just had the same type of contact as she did with Ryan. Any one no for sure what the answer is? jmo

We do have the photos taken of him before death. I highly doubt he would consent to being photographed nude as well as taking photos of her in the same fashion unless there was "something" going on between them. If he were so afraid of his Mormon friends finding out about a sexual relationship, the worst thing is to have photos taken.

MOO