The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #12

[LambChop]

I don't think so- I think a serial killer is someone who kills 3 people or more at different times.

Well, she did try to kill TA three times. I guess that would not count. If she goes free, she'll do it again....mark my word. jmo

 

[katiecoolady]

They'll do it with their own expert I suppose. No reason for defense counsel to personally try to discredit the hunky me, imo

Many if not most defense attorneys use the prosecution's case with their cross to build their case. That would be pretty lame for them to defer an opportunity like that. But then again, there will be many many opportunities for appeal on ineffective counsel once Jodi is sentenced to death (not that I agree with them or they will be successful, just abundant). IMO

 

[LadyEdith]

Yet at the same time she used sex as her own manipulative tool to keep him close to her. All of this is not a totally unusual dynamic in dating.

What sets this apart is the Mormon aspect...oh and also the HOMICIDE aspect. :furious:

I agree---she goes along with it. She knows he does not consider her marriage material, but a convenient botty call. And she responds to the calls.

 

[katiecoolady]

Well, she did try to kill TA three times. I guess that would not count. If she goes free, she'll do it again....mark my word. jmo

If you're not familiar, check out the film "Dear Zachary" with a female killer VERY much like Jodi Arias who demonstrates just how dangerous they can be if not detained and sequestered in prison. Shirley Turner also drove hundreds of miles to kill the man who'd rejected her. And because she wasn't incarcerated, she just continued the carnage later. Sad sad story. (posted about this on another thread but the similarities are striking in these killers...even the soft voiced demeanor and bald faced lies)

 

[polleypockets]

Many if not most defense attorneys use the prosecution's case with their cross to build their case. That would be pretty lame for them to defer an opportunity like that. But then again, there will be many many opportunities for appeal on ineffective counsel once Jodi is sentenced to death (not that I agree with them or they will be successful, just abundant). IMO

are you going to court if jodi testifies??

 

[shelley921]

Anything easy is not worth having....something that seems unobtainable has an attraction....thats why girls play hard to get....... like Mimi said Travis was persistent and even she thought he thought he could still get her. I am sure Travis thought he could charm the pants off of her sometime while they were in Cancun, separate rooms was just a ploy.

Isn't it true that most men like a challenge? If a woman throws herself at a man he may enjoy the easy sex that he didn't have to work for for awhile but then tire of it. So that's why SMART girls play hard to get. Talk about desperate. Jodi throwing herself at Travis and threatening suicide if she can't remain his girlfriend-! wow.

 

[katiecoolady]

are you going to court if jodi testifies??

Oh he** yes. If I can get in.

 

[popsicle]

I had her art on my watch list. They did all sell and the sales were completed last night. The seller has nothing currently listed for sale and removed the postcards, which did not sell.

Her art was done on cardboard from the back of writing tablets with colored pencils. The only mediums she is permitted.




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Thanks. I see they are now selling a piece of pottery she made. Wonder what is next.

 

[Karmady]

If I was on a jury, I'd give different weights to say an ME who'd done an autopsy giving an expert opinion, even if he/she was cross examined to "you really want to keep your job don't you Dr?". Vs. a defense expert, who'd not done the autopsy but rendered an opinion based on the reports, who worked primarily as a consult for defense attorneys and was cross examined with the likes of "and is it true you're being paid $30,000 for your opinion in this trial Dr. So and So?". (and I'm low balling that figure)

Right. I said in another post, I think they will give his testimony a lot of weight. My only point is that his testimony does not establish the sequence as fact. Which was the gist of the OP I was responding to. It's just fact "testimony" about what he saw and the conclusions he drew. Having read his report now, I think the prosecutor may have some problems with the intact dura and a couple of other points in the ME's report. jmo

 

[Karmady]

If you're not familiar, check out the film "Dear Zachary" with a female killer VERY much like Jodi Arias who demonstrates just how dangerous they can be if not detained and sequestered in prison. Shirley Turner also drove hundreds of miles to kill the man who'd rejected her. And because she wasn't incarcerated, she just continued the carnage later. Sad sad story. (posted about this on another thread but the similarities are striking in these killers...even the soft voiced demeanor and bald faced lies)

Was it you that previously mentioned that documentary? If so, thanks. I watched it. Very, very troubling

 

[txbluesman]

I would think the defense would like to stay away from the shot to the head first. He was shot in a sitting position, unless she was standing on a ladder. If the shot were first he would have been unable to get up according to the ME and if he could it would not have been right away and he would have been dazed which would have allowed her to get away (self-defense being what they were trying to prove). Defense should stay away from all of that testimony being repeated and repeated again in the rebuttal.

Defense will probably focus on discrediting TA and trying to prove he was abusive and kept luring her back into his life. Expert testimony about what happens in abusive relationships and why women do not leave. That sort of thing. I think they will stay way, away from him being shot and how he died. It will be all about her and she will be pleased. We will probably even see that mug shot smile she is so famous for. jmo

Good post, LC.

Now I gotta ask (probably been hashed to death); do y'all see her taking the stand? I mean, they're claiming self defense, right? Who better to tell what happened? So step by step she has to take us through what happened, right? How are they going to "stay away" from anything (granted, the order of operations is probably unimportant).?

 

[polleypockets]

Thanks. I see they are now selling a piece of pottery she made. Wonder what is next.

i am hoping they are fake bidders that do not pay - like what happened when a very disliked big brother contestant tried to sell her items on ebay a few months ago

 

[LambChop]

Right..because they couldnt do it and they didnt make headway with Dr. Horn whatsoever.

IMO

Plus I don't think defense is concerned about the sequence. I think their issue had something to do with Flores not telling the truth. That somehow Flores changed his testimony to agree with what the ME is saying now and not what he was told then. Flores said he misunderstood, not that he was changing his testimony. So the issue was not about the shot to the head. The issue was with Flores and his buddy, Martinez (as Attorney Numbi put it). I think defense was leaning towards conspiracy and misconduct to try and get her a new trial. And I'm sure Attorney Numbi is hoping she gets a new court appointed attorney so he can be released if the judge decides to go for a mistrial. It sounds personal. jmo

 

[spcagrl]

Thank you for posting this!!!

Sadly, I was not the first but it is hard to keep up. I checked the prior pages but it didn't jump out at me till after I had posted it

 

[lil_buddy]

The defense goes on and on about how verbal abuse is abuse implying that TA only verbally abused her - yet all of a sudden she fears for her life. WTF???

I hope that lawyer is embarrassed (yeah right).

 

[Lithloren]

Thanks. I see they are now selling a piece of pottery she made. Wonder what is next.

lol, She probably will write a book on how to seduce men.

A guest on Nancy Grace said a married man was going to leave his wife and children after spending a couple of hours with JA.

She must have amazing pheromones.

 

[spcagrl]

WOW! Good find!! So how is the ME giving his statement that it did go through the brain then? That's a big deal if the dura and falx are still intact. I can see the defense tearing this up!!!

But why? It does not help them if the bullet did not kill or incapacitate him totally. Surely he was in shock, partially incapacitated at least, bleeding, and she could have gotten away! Instead....she killed him again! And again! To me, that goes against self defense since clearly at several points she COULD have fled. But didn't.

 

[katiecoolady]

Was it you that previously mentioned that documentary? If so, thanks. I watched it. Very, very troubling

Yes...isn't it just utterly heartbreaking? And doesn't she remind you of Jodi?

Heading out for the evening...will check back for your answer.

 

[Curious Me]

If you're not familiar, check out the film "Dear Zachary" with a female killer VERY much like Jodi Arias who demonstrates just how dangerous they can be if not detained and sequestered in prison. Shirley Turner also drove hundreds of miles to kill the man who'd rejected her. And because she wasn't incarcerated, she just continued the carnage later. Sad sad story. (posted about this on another thread but the similarities are striking in these killers...even the soft voiced demeanor and bald faced lies)

Thanks. "Dear Zachary" - Is this it? I'll watch for free.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/dear-zachary-a-letter-to-a-son-about-his-father/

 

[Hatfield]

I agree that it should not matter the order because it was cruel either way because she stabbed the heck out of him somewhere along the timeline.

But since the defense may be arguining the shot first, I do think that it could have happened first for many reasons. I think the gun jammed after that first shot. A lot of woman and some men would have trouble freeing a jammed shell. It is not the easiest thing to do. So, in her haiste to finish the killing and get out of there, she would use another weapon to finish him off.

But no matter the order I just dont see how the defense can claim it helps her case much. If they try to go with abuse defense, there seems to be no evidence that he attacked her first or did anything to her first. It seems she started the agression no matter what weapon she used first.

I sure hope the jury gets this right. I think the PA should have brought in more testimony about other things that we know now.
The jury doesnt have near the information we have about Jodi. They could have put on much more. I hope they have a chance in cross, but I am really afraid the defense is not going to call hardly anybody. I just have a bad feeling that this defense is going to say the state hasnt proved much of anything and they may rest their case quickly and shock everyone.