The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #12

[Blessed2Bme]

Hi all just catching up... I have a question.. apparently AZ LE didn't have an up-to-date program to extract all text messages from the cell phones of JA/TA but why is it that in FL LE were able to extract text messages from ICA and circus?? both tragedys happened in June 2008. Just wondering is it because of funding through out each state to each police department? TIA

 

[minor4th]

I can't help but think that the only reason they're allowing this evidence is because of the media circus.

Is it pertinent? Does it show that TA beat her? I don't think so.

Why is it pertinent if he was verbally abusive? She drove 1000 miles to him. She could have stayed home.

Do you have any idea how much a case like this cost the state? I'm guessing at least $2mil.

Don't assume that all these things will be admitted. The judge has not ruled on much of the evidence relating to self defense. That is what some of these upcoming evidentiary hearings will be about.

I cannot imagine that recorded phone sex would be relevant unless he makes some kind of confession about being abusive in the past. I think she wants to get the phone sex tapes in because Travis said something like she sounded like a teenager having her first orgasm -- trying to paint him as some sort of pedophile. Totally irrelevant IMO and not likely to be admitted.

 

[katiecoolady]

I just find it ironically tragic that their expert created a program called "alternatives to Violene". Yet she's te$tifying in a case which is predicated by the notion the murderer "had no choice" but to violently slaughter an unarmed man.

 

[callyn]

Wow. I see something totally different in that photo.LOL.

What do you see?

 

[Curious Me]

"Narcissistic rage is a reaction to narcissistic injury."

"Rage has two forms, though:

I. Explosive - The narcissist erupts, attacks everyone in his immediate vicinity, causes damage to objects or people, and is verbally and psychologically abusive.

II. Pernicious or Passive-Aggressive (P/A) - the narcissist sulks, gives the silent treatment, and is plotting how to punish the transgressor and put her in her proper place. These narcissists are vindictive and often become stalkers. They harass and haunt the objects of their frustration. They sabotage and damage the work and possessions of people whom they regard to be the sources of their mounting frustration."

http://samvak.tripod.com/faq73.html

This is not a diagnosis of Jodi being a narcissist, but that she had narcissistic tendencies. I think it's not only a jealous rage, but more.

 

[Hatfield]

I just find it ironically tragic that their expert created a program called "alternatives to Violene". Yet she's te$tifying in a case which is predicated by the notion the murderer "had no choice" but to violently slaughter an unarmed man.

Yeah, me too. Somebody predicted the other day that she is probably getting a nice paycheck for this testimony, and I agree with them. I detest these "experts" that allow money to dictate what they say.

There was some expert in the KC trial that did that, and an oriental "expert" that is notorious for doing that in other trials. It is so obvious when they do that. I hope the jury reads right through it.

I hope the defense plans on having some of his peers teling of all this "abuse" if they plan on wanting us to believe them. So far, I have heard nothing but good about him. A normal good person IMO so far.
Sure, some consensual sex, but that is normal IMO, especially since Jodi seems to be a very willing partner. Lets hear more about when she visited Ryan and how she met up with the guy she lived with for 4 years if they want to talk about sex some more.

 

[lil_buddy]

Don't assume that all these things will be admitted. The judge has not ruled on much of the evidence relating to self defense. That is what some of these upcoming evidentiary hearings will be about.

I cannot imagine that recorded phone sex would be relevant unless he makes some kind of confession about being abusive in the past. I think she wants to get the phone sex tapes in because Travis said something like she sounded like a teenager having her first orgasm -- trying to paint him as some sort of pedophile. Totally irrelevant IMO and not likely to be admitted.

Is the evidentiary hearing to be televised, do u know?

 

[Karmady]

Yeah, me too. Somebody predicted the other day that she is probably getting a nice paycheck for this testimony, and I agree with them. I detest these "experts" that allow money to dictate what they say.

There was some expert in the KC trial that did that, and an oriental "expert" that is notorious for doing that in other trials. It is so obvious when they do that. I hope the jury reads right through it.

I hope the defense plans on having some of his peers teling of all this "abuse" if they plan on wanting us to believe them. So far, I have heard nothing but good about him. A normal good person IMO so far.
Sure, some consensual sex, but that is normal IMO, especially since Jodi seems to be a very willing partner. Lets hear more about when she visited Ryan and how she met up with the guy she lived with for 4 years if they want to talk about sex some more.

all experts on both sides are all about the money, so there's no moral high ground there. And you will never hear a seriously negative thought about travis from the Mormon community...never, not ever.

 

[minor4th]

I got the distinct impression from listening to the camera dude's testimony over, and over, and over lol that the photos that were not deleted were not at all interesting or relevant since he doesn't even know what was depicted. Leads me to believe that they weren't even from the same day and did not involve Travis at all. I'd like to know what they were anyway, though. I found it odd that he didn't/couldn't even give a general description of what was not deleted.

Right. Different people have come up with different interpretations of his less than clear answers (and Juan's less than clear questions). My interpretation is that they showed all the pics -- some of them had been deleted and some had not.

He only said that he did not recall offhand which ones were not deleted -- left me with the impression that he paid more attention to the ones that were deleted.

 

[minor4th]

Is the evidentiary hearing to be televised, do u know?

Hope so, but I have no idea. Are the sidebars televised when the jury is out? I would say..if so, then the evidentiary hearing probably would be too if there's media there to cover it.

 

[Karmady]

Right. Different people have come up with different interpretations of his less than clear answers (and Juan's less than clear questions). My interpretation is that they showed all the pics -- some of them had been deleted and some had not.

He only said that he did not recall offhand which ones were not deleted -- left me with the impression that he paid more attention to the ones that were deleted.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. I think he was clear that all of the pics at issue were deleted, although some were overwritten (not recoverable) and others were not (recoverable)

 

[Linda7NJ]

That's a new view. Most people see it as she thinks she can
lie her way out of it so she isn't concerned. Either that or they think she's void of emotion.

I believe she is void of a conscience


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[Curious Me]

Can't imagine how abusive a guy could be when you only were together as a couple for five months and you lived apart for much of the relationship. Not to mention, she drove across state lines to visit him and ends up killing him. I don't see how an expert can spin this in Jodi's favor. :moo:

 

[minor4th]

While it might not ACTUALLY fit with this case,
abuse victims do do these kinds of things. Plenty of
women believe a man ( or vice versa) when he says he's changed.
Many victims even feel they deserve it. They feel
if they just do as their abuser wants then nothing
bad will happen. If it was actually true that Travis was
abusive the idea would be that Jodi thought
if she could just do the right things everything
would be ok or this would be a post abusive phase
where he was being sweet and seemed remorseful.

That's why they are bringing on the domestic violence expert because
she will tie up all those kinds of loose ends.

All of those things you listed are reasons why Travis had trouble breaking away from her IMO I think Travis had been terrorized by Jodi to some degree and was afraid to set her off and incur her wrath.

At the same time, I think Travis really enjoyed Jodi for a while and was hooked on the chaos and danger.

 

[somethinghere]

I just find it ironically tragic that their expert created a program called "alternatives to Violene".

It must be late b/c I was trying to figure out who Violene was.

 

[katiecoolady]

all experts on both sides are all about the money, so there's no moral high ground there. And you will never hear a seriously negative thought about travis from the Mormon community...never, not ever.

Experts for the State such as the ME and crime scene techs are doing their day job. Testifying to what they have performed as a matter of course of their day to day salaried duties. I look at that very differently than someone who is hired as a consultant to give an opinion simply for the sake of rendering an opinion to help one side. As in "how much will it take for you to find a way to support our case?". I don't see that dynamic in any of the State's employee expert witnesses. At least so far.

Do what you need for an "adequate" defense fine. It has gone way too far when theories are pulled out of thin air after other failed stories which primarily rest on decimating a deceased victim. Shame on them all.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Where's my slight feeling of compassionate sadness for Jodi that she messed up and ruined her life? She gives so little geniune anything it's hard to trust she's human. I feel sorrow and grief for the family and friends of Travis who have to see the absolute horror Jodi visited upon Travis.

IMO she's not really human. IMO the very thing that separates us from animals is absent in Jodi.


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[PASA]

Polly,
Yes the bedding was in the dryer.
Thanks for the tip, and I do see the shiny thing that may be a snap or something on a duvet, but I still can't make it make sense.

The shiny thing (upper left corner) in the last dragging photo is glare from the overhead projector, I believe.

MOO, IMHO, etc.

 

[katiecoolady]

It must be late b/c I was trying to figure out who Violene was.

Lol I saw that typo but I'm in bed on my iPhone so couldn't fix it. Sounds like a name from a sad country song. Violene...why are you so mean.... Lol

 

[minor4th]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. I think he was clear that all of the pics at issue were deleted, although some were overwritten (not recoverable) and others were not (recoverable)

Reasonable minds can differ. What seemed like clear answers were sometimes made in response to vague questions -- which then makes the answer less clear IMO.

Like you said above I believe, I wish Juan and forensic guy had just done a better job of explaining for every picture whether it was deleted, unallocated, overwritten or whatever. It obviously was not that important to the prosecution to get all of that information clarified...so it probably doesn't matter to their case anyway.

Obviously they got their point across that Jodi was at Travis' house for several hours and was taking pictures of him immediately before she killed him ....and that she attempted to delete at least some of the pics, which implies a consciousness of guilt.