The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #12

[Hatfield]

Can't imagine how abusive a guy could be when you only were together as a couple for five months and you lived apart for much of the relationship. Not to mention, she drove across state lines to visit him and ends up killing him. I don't see how an expert can spin this in Jodi's favor. :moo:

I thnk she really should have gone for some type of physchological disorder defense. Those police interviews where she talks about if she would hve done it, she would have wore gloves or finished him off quickly just floored me. I think she had a good chance of convincing the jury she is crazy, cause she is IMO. Some form of crazy...LOL.

A very scary person because I could see her trapping almost anyone in her web.

 

[TorisMom003]

While it might not ACTUALLY fit with this case,
abuse victims do do these kinds of things. Plenty of
women believe a man ( or vice versa) when he says he's changed.
Many victims even feel they deserve it. They feel
if they just do as their abuser wants then nothing
bad will happen. If it was actually true that Travis was
abusive the idea would be that Jodi thought
if she could just do the right things everything
would be ok or this would be a post abusive phase
where he was being sweet and seemed remorseful.

That's why they are bringing on the domestic violence expert because
she will tie up all those kinds of loose ends.

And then the State can counter with.........how many abused victims secretly steal their abusers passwords and pin numbers in order to spy on them? If a person is really being abused will they knowingly do something that, if caught, will really tick off their abuser? How many abused victims resort to overkill, going so far as to use two different weapons to kill their abuser? How many abused victims never call 911 after killing their abuser to report the abuse and what they have done in self defense?

The Defense needs to walk a very fine line when it comes to questioning this domestic violence expert. Jodi does not fit the pattern of an abused person and putting such an expert on the stand opens the door for the State to question the expert as to if Jodi would really be classified as an abused victim.

MOO

 

[Karmady]

Reasonable minds can differ. What seemed like clear answers were sometimes made in response to vague questions -- which then makes the answer less clear IMO.

Like you said above I believe, I wish Juan and forensic guy had just done a better job of explaining for every picture whether it was deleted, unallocated, overwritten or whatever. It obviously was not that important to the prosecution to get all of that information clarified...so it probably doesn't matter to their case anyway.

Obviously they got their point across that Jodi was at Travis' house for several hours and was taking pictures of him immediately before she killed him ....and that she attempted to delete at least some of the pics, which implies a consciousness of guilt.

iirc, this line of thought started over whether she deliberately deleted some pics and not others. I think the testimony makes it clear that she deleted all of the potentially incriminating photos...which REALLY implies consciousness of guilt. I thought your original point way back in this thread was that there was selective deletion. And I think I'm remembering correctly.

 

[minor4th]

iirc, this line of thought started over whether she deliberately deleted some pics and not others. I think the testimony makes it clear that she deleted all of the potentially incriminating photos...which REALLY implies consciousness of guilt. I thought your original point way back in this thread was that there was selective deletion. And I think I'm remembering correctly.

The detective did say there was selective deletion and that she had to have specifically made a choice to delete some and not others.

 

[Karmady]

Experts for the State such as the ME and crime scene techs are doing their day job. Testifying to what they have performed as a matter of course of their day to day salaried duties. I look at that very differently than someone who is hired as a consultant to give an opinion simply for the sake of rendering an opinion to help one side. As in "how much will it take for you to find a way to support our case?". I don't see that dynamic in any of the State's employee expert witnesses. At least so far.

Do what you need for an "adequate" defense fine. It has gone way too far when theories are pulled out of thin air after other failed stories which primarily rest on decimating a deceased victim. Shame on them all.

They are interested in keeping their jobs and the salaries that come with them.

 

[Karmady]

The detective did say there was selective deletion and that she had to have specifically made a choice to delete some and not others.

And he said he had no idea what was in the photos that weren't deleted. So, they're relevant and he just doesn't care? Or they're completely irrelevant and all of the relevant pics were deleted? The latter is what I get from his testimony, and I don't think it's a stretch.

 

[Karmady]

The detective did say there was selective deletion and that she had to have specifically made a choice to delete some and not others.

yes, and she deleted (or someone did) all of the pics shown by the prosecution which were all recovered from deleted files on the camera.

 

[minor4th]

And he said he had no idea what was in the photos that weren't deleted. So, they're relevant and he just doesn't care? Or they're completely irrelevant and all of the relevant pics were deleted? The latter is what I get from his testimony, and I don't think it's a stretch.

I thought he was just saying he didn't recall what the exact subjects of the not-deleted ones were right off the top of his head without looking at the photos or a report or whatever -- this was before Juan handed him any photos to look at and identify.

I'm not going to insist that this is what he meant because I think it's subject to different interpretations. No way to know for sure.

 

[somethinghere]

Sorry if someone already posted this & I missed it: apparently there are at least 4 tapes of interview footage with JA from the 48 hrs interview. Per article by the producer here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-leach/meeting-jodi-arias-first-_b_2526098.html

OMG and in that article she is quoted as having told the producer "I've grown up around gangs and you don't snitch." I thought she had an "ideal childhood?"

 

[Lithloren]

Hi,

I am new to this forum. I have tried to keep up, but my job and housework keep getting in the way

Tonight I was able to watch Nancy Grace and she was talking about how when the police arrrested JA, they found that she had knives stashed in between her books in her car. Later, a 9mm gun was found hidden in her trunk!

I am just wondering if I watched an old episode or if the show was actually current? It almost seemed like she was planning another "Killer Road Trip".

TIA

 

[Really?]

Hi,

I am new to this forum. I have tried to keep up, but my job and housework keep getting in the way

Tonight I was able to watch Nancy Grace and she was talking about how when the police arrrested JA, they found that she had knives stashed in between her books in her car. Later, a 9mm gun was found hidden in her trunk!

I am just wondering if I watched an old episode or if the show was actually current? It almost seemed like she was planning another "Killer Road Trip".

TIA

hello and welcome:seeya:
That is all new information to us.

 

[SwampMama]

Lol I saw that typo but I'm in bed on my iPhone so couldn't fix it. Sounds like a name from a sad country song. Violene...why are you so mean.... Lol

:guitar:
BBM
Too funny!!

 

[BritsKate]

Hi everyone

I followed this case about 2 weeks ago on GMA. I was trying to look up more info on this case when this site pulled up.

I believe JA will be charged with crime of passion.

The one thing I don't get is why did she brutally murder TA 27 times. What led her to doing this?

Welcome, rtsunsfan. Jodi has already been charged with two counts of 1st degree - felony and premeditated. The premeditated throws any chance of a crime of passion defense out of the water. It's often misinterpreted but a crime of passion legally translates to a crime committed in the heat of the moment. The vast amount of premeditation in this case contradicts such a defense.

I also am finding this married man wanting to leave his wife after two hours with JA rather amusing.

Perhaps it is because we know she is a murderer I can't fathom what these men saw in her.

:giggle:

I think it's very likely they saw just what Jodi wanted them to see. IME these creatures study their prey intently. They know precisely what to say, what to do, or how to appear in order to lure someone.

i think there is only 1 brother

I thought so too but facebook and wiki disagree. Two younger brothers according to both sources.

you think these gals were all just "friends" or gals who met him at the PPL seminars ?

RSBM
Many of those women also worked for PPL. Some of those women are friends. Heck, even some pics with his sisters (he has several) have been lauded over the internet with some subtle nefarious intention.

Travis, by all accounts, was a flirt. But he was also charming, funny, charismatic, and gregarious. People seemed to be attracted to him - all kinds of people.

I can't help but think that the only reason they're allowing this evidence is because of the media circus.

Is it pertinent? Does it show that TA beat her? I don't think so.

Why is it pertinent if he was verbally abusive? She drove 1000 miles to him. She could have stayed home.

Do you have any idea how much a case like this cost the state? I'm guessing at least $2mil.

Compared to the CA trial this is more like a ragtag carnival thrown together last minute, out in the boondocks, than a circus. Media has absolutely nothing to do with a defendant's rights to present his or her defense. Only the judge is allowed to place limitations on that. Some are much more permissive than others.

IMO we would see a great many more successful appeals at a much higher burden to taxpayers were defendant's due process rights not upheld. Death penalty cases too are generally afforded more leniency as a rule.

That said, the sheer distance between Jodi and Travis is something many survivors of domestic abuse themselves cannot get past. It's an anomaly to even an emotionally abusive relationship. Distance is just not conducive to maintaining control over a victim. (Ultimately abuse isn't about hurting someone but rather entirely about gaining power and control over another through any means necessary. Total subjugation is the primary goal.)

More telling still is that it was Jodi who closed the distance gap more than once. It was Jodi who was accused of hacking his online accounts. It was Jodi who stalked him, slashed his tires, and sent threatening/warning notes to people who knew Travis.

Jodi is ironically the very epitome of an abusive personality. MOO

 

[Swamp Fox Trot]

Has it been established that she won't get the death penalty? Because she is a young white female?

 

[carole]

If she is convicted (first degree murder), she will be sentenced to either life without parole or the death penalty. It is definitely a possibility.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/02/jodi-arias-trial-begins-_n_2398003.html?utm_hp_ref=crime

 

[Lithloren]

hello and welcome:seeya:
That is all new information to us.

Thanks Really?

Yes, JA was packing up her car when they arrested her. NG kept saying that JA was fleeing, but it just didn't feel that way to me.

 

[LinasK]

IMO she's not really human. IMO the very thing that separates us from animals is absent in Jodi.


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Hey! Let's not insult animals now please. My dog has more compassion than Jodi ever will!

 

[leighmarker]

ok so the new news is JA stashed the gun in the rental car and they found it later, also she had two knives stashed in some books she had boxed up and was putting in her car. Why in the world did the detective say (when he was on the stand) they never found the knive(s) or gun? I am lost.

 

[Justme84]

let us all remember in the interest of fairness, you can't
use what you can't prove on either side. So you really can't say because she
stalked him, its proof of everything. The prosecution couldn't
prove it. It was hearsay. Tires were slashed.. where's the proof it's Jodi?
So you can't allow things for the state based on them being the good guys
that you wouldn't allow for the defense.

The burden is on the state to prove against any reasonable doubt
doubt. She has the right to create that doubt. She won't be the first
nor the last.

Consultants are sometimes doing it for money
but other times for awareness. This domestic violence dr may
be playing into the hands of the devil but may also speak a little truth.
She might help many more people by being a part of this 3 ring circus because of exposure. Or maybe just maybe the consultant really
did feel that Jodi showed signs of abuse.

Many times things in human nature do not make sense but people won't listen
until you put MD after the person doing the talking.

 

[Justme84]

ok so the new news is JA stashed the gun in the rental car and they found it later, also she had two knives stashed in some books she had boxed up and was putting in her car. Why in the world did the detective say (when he was on the stand) they never found the knive(s) or gun? I am lost.

It wasn't " the gun" or " the knife". The gun was a 9mm
and the knives were tested and not consistent with the murder weapon.