The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #12

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  • #841
didn't she point out scratched on her arm to flores and say the were scratched from her feral cat?
She needed a ready explanation for the scratches on her arms -she kept them covered up at Ryan's, and her other excuse was the broken glass at Margaritaville's, only she didn't realize there is no Margaritaville's in any of those states!:banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
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did jodi give him the check that night, or did she mail it previous to her visit?

She told flores she mailed it a week or so before, but she could have brought it. It could have been part of her ruse to get him to see her.
 
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I agree with you. The sole basis for the defense wanting to say the shot came first is to say....see, he did not suffer. However, IF by some miracle the gunshot, if first, did not render him unconscious, he was aware, and able to stagger or fall out of the shower( the way I get the layout is that the sinks are directly across from the shower, so you could literally fall out of the shower and hit the sink). He may have significantly lost coordination but was somehow able to attempt to crawl down the hallway, which is not as long as it seems.....just steps really. In ANY scenario, it was still cruel, heinous and depraved. She killed him three times over and he was alive and aware for most of it.

Yep, now he would be shot 1st. Alive. The pain of being shot in the head and through your cheek would be unbearable. Then add in 27 stabs and throat slit. Even worse then the 2 scenarios they have been dancing around before!!!

(still would be very concussive force + skull fracture even if it didn't enter the brain that could incapacitate so still not convinced it came 1st. but just going off this post that is the defense argues this, it could be even worse)
 
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Coming now on HLN- autopsy discussion.
 
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does anyone have a link to mimi's testimony?
 
  • #846
I agree. He seemed to be functioning on the old madonna/🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 theme. Mimi is the kind of girl he would marry. Jodi was the kind of girl he would never marry, but have sex with.

I think someof this contributed to Jodi's rage---I'm good enough to sleep with, but not good enough to marry?

Yet at the same time she used sex as her own manipulative tool to keep him close to her. All of this is not a totally unusual dynamic in dating.

What sets this apart is the Mormon aspect...oh and also the HOMICIDE aspect. :furious:
 
  • #847
I know this has been discussed before and stuff, but I need to vent somewhere.

I'm listening to the defense's opening statement (not done) and I do not know how what is being said is a defense. I actually believe what the defense is saying, but I do not understand how it is a defense for murder. Can I go murder the guys in my past who treated me like crap, the one who lied, cheated, misled? That's OK now? WTF
 
  • #848
Anything easy is not worth having....something that seems unobtainable has an attraction....thats why girls play hard to get....... like Mimi said Travis was persistent and even she thought he thought he could still get her. I am sure Travis thought he could charm the pants off of her sometime while they were in Cancun, separate rooms was just a ploy.

He was looking for a Morman wife not a playmate. It's why he was trying so hard to get rid of Jodi. Jodi did not measure up to the idea deal Morman wife. Also from what I heard she was staying at a home with their friends and he was taking advantage of the hotel that was offered with the trip. jmo
 
  • #849
does anyone have a link to mimi's testimony?

I know there are loads of links on youtube for this trial. This was the State's first witness so would think it'd be on the first one. I'm watching it right now from IS.

What's interesting is how little Jodi actually looks at Mimi. She looks at most every other witness. She's not hiding behind her hand/face but her eyes are just down most of the time--writing or drawing or whatever. She seems to have a hard time physically looking at Mimi.
 
  • #850
No,no,no You misunderstood my comment, Mimi While she was in her car, her apartment/home could no way smell inside of Travis' home but yet she had the feeling something was wrong and therefore went to his home with others but the roommates were there all along

Oh, sorry.

I can understand why she thought something was wrong. She said they had been texting everyday so he was in communication with her. He may not have even seen his roommates or talked to them even if he had been alive. They were more like boarders to me than roommates, imo.

Women usually are more intuitive than males too.

IMO
 
  • #851
I know this has been discussed before and stuff, but I need to vent somewhere.

I'm listening to the defense's opening statement (not done) and I do not know how what is being said is a defense. I actually believe what the defense is saying, but I do not understand how it is a defense for murder. Can I go murder the guys in my past who treated me like crap, the one who lied, cheated, misled? That's OK now? WTF

I know right! Could you imagine the precedent that would set? I see guys shaking in their boots and hookers with more clients than they would know what to do with!






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I put to together a post with links and quotes and everything. But it took me so long to do it I got signed out and lost it...grrr. The distinction is between fact "testimony" and opinion or expert opinion "testimony" -- not between fact and opinion. Neither conclusively establishes a single thing as fact, but the rules that apply to each type of testimony are quite different. There is absolutely no question in my mind that the order of the assaults has not been conclusively established

here's a snip and link from a case talking about fact and expert testimony given by an investigator in a criminal case w/ bbm. In one of my snips below, note the use of the term "mere fact witness." There's a reason for that.

Undue Weight: “The jury might be smitten by an expert's “aura of special reliability” and therefore give his factual testimony undue weight.” York, 572 F.3d at 425 citing United States v. Brown, 7 F.3d 648, 655 (7th Cir. 1993) (“[W]e recognize that in a close case the danger of unfair prejudice may be heightened by the “aura of special reliability” that often surrounds expert testimony, and that jurors may tend to give such testimony undue weight. The danger of unfair prejudice is most serious where the expert also is an occurrence witness.”) (citation omitted)

http://federalevidence.com/blog/200...ng-dual-fact-law-enforcement-expert-testimony

And here's a snip and an article (bbm) talking about the distinction in the context of medical professional witnesses:

One of the vexatious problems that plague trial lawyers is dealing with experts, particularly medical experts. The generic term “expert,” according to the American Heritage Dictionary, describes any “person with a high degree of skill or knowledge of a certain subject.” There are, however, “expert persons” who are mere fact witnesses in a particular lawsuit. These individuals are variably called “fact experts,” “occurrence experts,” “actor experts,” “viewer experts” or “non-26(b)(5) experts.”

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But many “experts” possess facts or knowledge independent of the lawsuit and are also asked to express opinions at trial, often based on those facts. The best example of this hybrid expert/fact witness, of course, is a physician who has treated the plaintiff for his or her injuries.

The status of a particular expert will determine whether he is a mere fact witness, an expert person, an expert witness, or some combination thereof. The status of an expert in a particular lawsuit will then determine whether the lawyer must pay the expert merely a statutory witness fee or an expert witness fee; whether a party who did not hire the expert can depose the expert; whether the expert’s records or opinions are discoverable; whether the expert needs to be disclosed to the other side; and whether an expert person who is a fact witness must answer expert questions at a deposition or trial.

The test for whether a witness is an expert or fact witness is whether the facts or opinions possessed by the expert were obtained for the specific purpose of preparing for litigation. Peters v. Ballard, 58 Wn. App. 921, 795 P.2d 1158 (1990).

http://www.pereylaw.com/articles-videos/issues-in-working-with-medical-witnesses/

Dr. Horn was not as an expert witness. He was testifying as the ME who did the autopsy. The person who was right there and reported what he saw and based his report on his findings. He was not testifying as an expert on what he thought of something someone else did. He was reporting his findings from an autopsy he actually performed. jmo
 
  • #855
but lobotomies are utensils entering the brain with no impact. You can actually cut into someones brain while they are alive and there will be no brain, and depending on the area no deficits. A gunshot is going many many miles per hour and it's like a shock wave to the brain. It injures the area that was shot and injures areas of the brain far from the wound site. It's different that even getting punctured with a rod or an arrow like you see on the news. So not comparable to a lobotomy IMO. It is possible and there have been people that are conscious after being shot in the head, but often times those bullets don't enter the brain, pass through it, and exit the other side of the cranial cavity. All my opinion!!

I know somebody (through a previous job) that was shot in the head with a .22. The bullet entered his head but did not go through his skull. It travelled around his head and came out (or landed, I can't remember as it has been about 20 years) somewhere else, either under the skin or came out. He was conscious the whole time and somebody doubled him on their bike to the hospital LMAO.
 
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I am new to all this law, trial, sleuthing stuff, but if someone creates a standard method of operation (ie, rents a car, packs knives, gun, and ammo) and then kills someone, does that began to label them as a serial killer?

From my understanding you have to kill at least 2 people at different times, doesn't matter if method of kill are similar each time or not.
 
  • #858
I just saw Mimi's testimony about Jodi approaching her at the Memorial Service. Mimi had told the police that she had heard Travis had a stalker. Did she know this was Jodi when she approached her?
 
  • #859
Legal Eye- well, Ryan did say it was coming right up.......................still waiting. lol
 
  • #860
I was looking at ebay and noticed the recent sales have been pulled, including the Grace Kelly that went for $3050. Found this comment about the art not really being hers..interesting reply imo.
Q: Rumor has it that JA did NOT do the drawings being sold as her own. I believe this is going to be looked into in depth. Any comment? Why were the drawings pulled last night that were just listed? Jan-23-13
A: Well, I cant speak for them. There is alot of pieces out there that she has done. JA has done alot of mediums. I think a few of her photos would be great if I am given some. She is very artistic and still doing ART! As for drawing being pulled , I think they were all SOLD!
 
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