The state Rests in The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #12

[danzn16]

I know somebody (through a previous job) that was shot in the head with a .22. The bullet entered his head but did not go through his skull. It travelled around his head and came out (or landed, I can't remember as it has been about 20 years) somewhere else. He was conscious the whole time and somebody doubled him on their bike to the hospital LMAO.

haha, yep! .22's are the famous caliber to do that! travel all around like crazy. not always strong enough to break though bone. but can still do major damage! glad he was okay!

 

[Frigga]

I know there are loads of links on youtube for this trial. This was the State's first witness so would think it'd be on the first one. I'm watching it right now from IS.

What's interesting is how little Jodi actually looks at Mimi. She looks at most every other witness. She's not hiding behind her hand/face but her eyes are just down most of the time--writing or drawing or whatever. She seems to have a hard time physically looking at Mimi.

I think maybe Mimi was an intended target at one time too. I think she is extremely lucky to be alive.

 

[danzn16]

I just saw Mimi's testimony about Jodi approaching her at the Memorial Service. Mimi had told the police that she had heard Travis had a stalker. Did she know this was Jodi when she approached her?

way to go mimi!!! IMO i bet she knew it was jodi. I'm sure TA told her about her, or if not then i'm sure TA's sisters and roommates told mimi about their suspicion of JA since she was the 1st person they suspected of murdering him.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Dr. Horn was not as an expert witness. He was testifying as the ME who did the autopsy. The person who was right there and reported what he saw and based his report on his findings. He was not testifying as an expert on what he thought of something someone else did. He was reporting his findings from an autopsy he actually performed. jmo

Exactly. Expert witnesses have to be certified and declared as one by the Judge in open court.

I have never seen the one who does the actual autopsy of the victim be called an expert witness.

imo

 

[katiecoolady]

Can somebody kinda do a running commentary for those of us who can't get it?

I just have about 20 min. here and I can...for that amt. of time once they actually start airing it!

 

[PASA]

I agree with you totally. My dogs are my babies and everything I do in my life revolves around them. If I had been the owner and she did what she did to my dog or cat she would not be in good shape by the time I got through with her. :furious:

Same here, ITA with all you said.

 

[shelley921]

I am new to all this law, trial, sleuthing stuff, but if someone creates a standard method of operation (ie, rents a car, packs knives, gun, and ammo) and then kills someone, does that began to label them as a serial killer?

I don't think so- I think a serial killer is someone who kills 3 people or more at different times.

 

[katiecoolady]

I think maybe Mimi was an intended target at one time too. I think she is extremely lucky to be alive.

I totally agree.

If you get a chance check out Jodi's demeanor during Mimi's testimony. It's entirely different than every other witness that I've seen.

 

[lil_buddy]

I know this has been discussed before and stuff, but I need to vent somewhere.

I'm listening to the defense's opening statement (not done) and I do not know how what is being said is a defense. I actually believe what the defense is saying, but I do not understand how it is a defense for murder. Can I go murder the guys in my past who treated me like crap, the one who lied, cheated, misled? That's OK now? WTF

I am not buying this description of the day of the murder.

 

[Karmady]

Dr. Horn was not as an expert witness. He was testifying as the ME who did the autopsy. The person who was right there and reported what he saw and based his report on his findings. He was not testifying as an expert on what he thought of something someone else did. He was reporting his findings from an autopsy he actually performed. jmo

Exactly. And that's what makes him a "mere fact witness" in this case and why the court in the case I linked was concerned that a jury might "give undue weight" to fact testimony where the same witness also gave expert testimony. You can't give "undue weight" to a conclusively established fact.

I've explained it and linked it as best I can a couple of times now, so take it fwiw. Maybe Gitana or Minor4 (?) will weigh in.

 

[LambChop]

Yep, now he would be shot 1st. Alive. The pain of being shot in the head and through your cheek would be unbearable. Then add in 27 stabs and throat slit. Even worse then the 2 scenarios they have been dancing around before!!!

(still would be very concussive force + skull fracture even if it didn't enter the brain that could incapacitate so still not convinced it came 1st. but just going off this post that is the defense argues this, it could be even worse)

I would think the defense would like to stay away from the shot to the head first. He was shot in a sitting position, unless she was standing on a ladder. If the shot were first he would have been unable to get up according to the ME and if he could it would not have been right away and he would have been dazed which would have allowed her to get away (self-defense being what they were trying to prove). Defense should stay away from all of that testimony being repeated and repeated again in the rebuttal.

Defense will probably focus on discrediting TA and trying to prove he was abusive and kept luring her back into his life. Expert testimony about what happens in abusive relationships and why women do not leave. That sort of thing. I think they will stay way, away from him being shot and how he died. It will be all about her and she will be pleased. We will probably even see that mug shot smile she is so famous for. jmo

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Teaser - says shower is key

 

[Boodles]

WOW! Good find!! So how is the ME giving his statement that it did go through the brain then? That's a big deal if the dura and falx are still intact. I can see the defense tearing this up!!!

But their time to dispute the finding was on cross-examination. Why didn't they?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I know somebody (through a previous job) that was shot in the head with a .22. The bullet entered his head but did not go through his skull. It travelled around his head and came out (or landed, I can't remember as it has been about 20 years) somewhere else. He was conscious the whole time and somebody doubled him on their bike to the hospital LMAO.

The ones that do enter the skull though tend to do the same thing. They will spiral around here and there until the velosity slows down by hitting mass and it will then lodge itself somewhere totally different than where the entrance wound is.

A .25 is just a slightly larger caliber than a .22.

The bullet travels apprx. 1000 feet per second. ( a normal 35 grain bullet)

 

[katiecoolady]

Exactly. And that's what makes him a "mere fact witness" in this case and why the court in the case I linked was concerned that a jury might "give undue weight" to fact testimony where the same witness also gave expert testimony. You can't give "undue weight" to a conclusively established fact.

I've explained it and linked it as best I can a couple of times now, so take it fwiw. Maybe Gitana or Minor4 (?) will weigh in.

If I was on a jury, I'd give different weights to say an ME who'd done an autopsy giving an expert opinion, even if he/she was cross examined to "you really want to keep your job don't you Dr?". Vs. a defense expert, who'd not done the autopsy but rendered an opinion based on the reports, who worked primarily as a consult for defense attorneys and was cross examined with the likes of "and is it true you're being paid $30,000 for your opinion in this trial Dr. So and So?". (and I'm low balling that figure)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

But their time to dispute the finding was on cross-examination. Why didn't they?

Right..because they couldnt do it and they didnt make headway with Dr. Horn whatsoever.

IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

I was looking at ebay and noticed the recent sales have been pulled, including the Grace Kelly that went for $3050. Found this comment about the art not really being hers..interesting reply imo.

I had her art on my watch list. They did all sell and the sales were completed last night. The seller has nothing currently listed for sale and removed the postcards, which did not sell.

Her art was done on cardboard from the back of writing tablets with colored pencils. The only mediums she is permitted.




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[Karmady]

But their time to dispute the finding was on cross-examination. Why didn't they?

They'll do it with their own expert I suppose. No reason for defense counsel to personally try to discredit the hunky me, imo

 

[KMouse]

haha, yep! .22's are the famous caliber to do that! travel all around like crazy. not always strong enough to break though bone. but can still do major damage! glad he was okay!

lol he was of the criminal element.

 

[LinasK]

way to go mimi!!! IMO i bet she knew it was jodi. I'm sure TA told her about her, or if not then i'm sure TA's sisters and roommates told mimi about their suspicion of JA since she was the 1st person they suspected of murdering him.

Mimi told the 911 dispatcher that his stalker's name was Jodi, but she didn't know her last name at that point.