The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #13 *ADULT CONTENT*

[LambChop]

I am!

I'm in northeastern NC. Snowing like the devil but it will melt tomorrow. lol

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Having lived through the CA trial, you are IMO, underestimating what lengths an attorney (or the accused in this case) will go to in order to defend a case.
As I recall, there were many that believed social media played a role in the defense strategy Baez chose to use - that was not in discovery.

But not every court system is like Pinellas county, Florida. In fact 99% arent, imo.

All of the trials I have ever seen... before the CA trial and after.. the Judge expects what is said in OS by both attorneys to be brought in as evidence to support itduring the trial. Usually defense attorneys arent allowed to just make up something in OS they know they cant prove and never enter evidence of it in the trial. I have heard many Judges tell both sides they better be able to prove what they tell the jury in OS as it is to be truthful and what each side honestly thinks the evidence will show. The jurors expect both sides to be honest and truthful and that starts duing their OSs. Lie to them and they can hold it against the defendant, imo.

I fault Judge Perry for a lot of what Baez was allowed to do. The Judge is to control his or her courtroom. He had to know because of discovery that JB had nothing to back up the sex allegations he hurled at GA. But he did allow it even though he disallowed it in the CA long after the damage was already done.

Here with this Arizona Judge I do not think she will act as carelessly as JBP.

If the defense does not enter evidence sufficient to prove self defense I wouldnt be surprised in the end she rules they did not meet their burden. After the defense's CIC she may also say they have not proved that JA was a victim of abuse by TA and may not let them argue that in CAs.

However I believe she could let both issues go to the jury and let them decide whether they believe the abuse or the self defense argument. That way she protects herself and her rulings if JA is convicted and when the case goes up on appeal.

IMO

 

[JusticeJunkie]

But not every court system is like Pinellas county, Florida. In fact 99% arent, imo.

All of the trials I have ever seen... before the CA tria..l and after.. the Judge expects what is said in OS by both attorneys to be brought in as evidence to support itduring the trial. Usually defense attorneys arent allowed to just make up something in OS they know they cant prove and never enter evidence of it in the trial. I have heard many Judges tell both sides they better be able to prove what they tell the jury in OS as it is to be truthful and what each side honestly thinks the evidence will show. The jurors expect both sides to be honest and truthful and that starts duing their OSs. Lie to them and they can hold it against the defendant, imo.

I fault Judge Berry for a lot of what Baez was allowed to do. The Judge is to control his or her courtroom. He had to know because of discovery that JB had nothing to back up the sex allegations he hurled at GA. But he did allow it even though he disallowed it in the CA long after the damage was already done.

Here with this Arizona Judge I do not think she will act as carelessly as JBP.

If the defense does not enter evidence sufficient to prove self defense I wouldnt be surprised in the end she rules they did not meet their burden. After the defense's CIC she may also say they have not proved that JA was a victim of abuse by TA and may not let them argue that in CAs.

However I believe she could let both issues go to the jury and let them decide whether they believe the abuse or the self defense argument. That way she protects herself and her rulings if JA is convicted and when the case goes up on appeal.

IMO

I hope you are right. I can't bear another injustice like that was.

 

[Boodles]

She wasn't around him often enough to have isolated him, and with the social nature of his job and his church, it would've been difficult for her to accomplish this. Also, she did text back one woman on his phone and sabotage things by texting back, "It's cuddle time with Jodi, Good Night!"

I bet ya $1 the DV expert will bring it up though.

Also, people keep saying she texted a woman from TAs phone, but she didn't. Rather, she thought about it and then backed off. Just clarifying...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And in one of her online conversations with this new boy toy, Ryan, Jodi admits secretly going through Travis`s phone. On it she finds the number of a woman she thinks Travis is secretly dating while still having sex with her. Listen to what she decides to do next.

BURNS: "I decided to text her back, quote, `Time to cuddle with Jodi. Good night.` Then I deleted the message, went to sleep, and never mentioned it to him. One day while he was taking a nap, I took his phone and read his text messages. Bad, I know."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1301/09/ijvm.01.html

 

[lil_buddy]

Any guesses as what Gus Searcy has to say that the defense likes?

 

[The Farm]

Snow on the way here, not supposed to get much and been cold as ice too. My aching oil bill! Almost out of wood for the woodstove, didn't buy as much as usual because this old body is saying no more carrying wood up those stairs!!!!

Anyway, I also hope I NEVER see another injustice as the CA trial, that just about killed me.

 

[rachelle]

I bet ya $1 the DV expert will bring it up though.

Also, people keep saying she texted a woman from TAs phone, but she didn't. Rather, she thought about it and then backed off. Just clarifying...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And in one of her online conversations with this new boy toy, Ryan, Jodi admits secretly going through Travis`s phone. On it she finds the number of a woman she thinks Travis is secretly dating while still having sex with her. Listen to what she decides to do next.

BURNS: "I decided to text her back, quote, `Time to cuddle with Jodi. Good night.` Then I deleted the message, went to sleep, and never mentioned it to him. One day while he was taking a nap, I took his phone and read his text messages. Bad, I know."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1301/09/ijvm.01.html

BBM

I took that to mean that she texted the girl back, "time to cuddle with Jodi, Good night", and then deleted THAT message (so that travis wouldn't know she had texted back)

IMO

 

[2door73chevy]

Perhaps you are right. I did not follow that trial very closely.
MOO: I think it is difficult to compare the 2 cases. The only similarity as far as I can see are that the defendants are young, good-looking, Cluster B women.
The evidence in this is so massively damning...

I'm watching Discovery ID now and it's showing women that kill...Most of them have married a few times and have kids..Do most cluster B's marry multiple times and have kids?

I was surprised JA never married any of her exs and never had any kids to "trap" them, especially Travis.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Any guesses as what Gus Searcy has to say that the defense likes?

Isnt Monday an evidentuary hearing?

All I can think of is they are wanting to add him to the list at a late date on the witness list.

She's already ruled on prosecutorial misconduct right?

Was it a hearing asked for by the defense?

tia

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm watching Discovery ID now and it's showing women that kill...Most of them have married a few times and have kids..Do most cluster B's marry multiple times and have kids?

I was surprised JA never married any of her exs and never had any kids to "trap" them, especially Travis.

Imo, Jodi Arias is a psychopath and a lot of times they do not want or have children. They dont want anything or anyone that takes away attention from them.

Plus it seems Jodi like to go from one man to the other. I wouldnt be the least bit surprised that she cheated on the guy she lived with for four years. She couldnt have loved him at all to just up and leave him shortly after she met Travis.

IMO

 

[polleypockets]

Isnt Monday an evidentuary hearing?

All I can think of is they are wanting to add him to the list at a late date on the witness list.

She's already ruled on prosecutorial misconduct right?

Was it a hearing asked for by the defense?

tia

isk - but in session says they are going to broadcast it live

 

[Really?]

OT, but are you getting


Still snowing but much lighter here in south Jersey.

 

[lil_buddy]

I'm watching Discovery ID now and it's showing women that kill...Most of them have married a few times and have kids..Do most cluster B's marry multiple times and have kids?

I was surprised JA never married any of her exs and never had any kids to "trap" them, especially Travis.

I do not have an answer to your question. I can say many cluster B's marry multiple times and have kids, but I cannot attest to"most".

I would not be the least bit surprised if JA was trying for a whoopsie pregnancy. If she is barren, I might start believing there IS a god.

 

[LambChop]

I'm watching Discovery ID now and it's showing women that kill...Most of them have married a few times and have kids..Do most cluster B's marry multiple times and have kids?

I was surprised JA never married any of her exs and never had any kids to "trap" them, especially Travis.

I'm thinking TA never traveled into the abyss. Too smart for that. jmo

 

[katiecoolady]

One minor observation:

In the opening defense statements, jurors were shown the picture of Jodi wearing a t-shirt that said "TRAVIS ALEXANDER'S". Latter, it transpired that the back of the t-shirt said "BE BETTER BLOG," an allusion to his blog.

It should be noted that Travis initiated that blog just a few months before he died, at a point in which his relationship with Jodi was, to say the least, tenuous and difficult. Thus, the implicit defense argument that the photo is somehow evidence of some "deviant" dominant/victim relationship between the two is simply unfounded.

I don't think this is a minor observation at all. I think if Martinez points this out to the jury, it will go a long way to show just how desperate this defense is to embellish the truth like this. The more they distrust the defense team themselves, the better imo.

 

[katiecoolady]

I want to thump you guys in the forehead right now.

I'm watching Dear Zachary and crying like a baby.

I'm sorry Frayed Knot. I know just how gut wrenching that story is. But also think it's very important that people view it if nothing else but for the solidarity with the family. The Bagby's live this nightmare every day. There is something about knowing this horrible series of events perpetrated by that horrific evil woman truly happened and the compassion that flows from that is the only thing that can be helpful to them (if that even makes sense).

I also think it's important for us viewing this trial to see, up close and personal through that film, just what a Jodi Arias is capable of if left loose in society. These two killers are birds of a feather imo. So many similarities (in the initial crimes).

 

[FrayedKnot]

Thinking back to the "shark week" photos, it is highly probable that JA is the sexual deviant in which case you would be so right!

I definitely think she appears to have recently engaged in anal sex from those pics. I know a lot of people will disagree, but heterosexual couples do engage in anal sex and it's not really deviant. I guess it depends on your definition, lol!

Oh! Speaking of which, the darkness around her perineum and vulva/labia? It is actually quite common in women with darker or olive skin tones. Latin, Middle Eastern, Mediterranean.

Isn't Jodi half Mexican? And she does have olive-toned skin. Maybe that's the explanation for the darkness.

As for the odd composition.......

 

[Laceybug]

I'm so disappointed in Sheriff Joe, I thought he was a tough guy!!! She should never have been allowed to do "Jailhouse Idol". And if it were up to me, she wouldn't have a window, lotion, or a desk!!!:furious::furious::furious:

That's what I said too! A friend of mine reminded me that the people in his jail have only been 'charged' with crimes... not yet convicted. I said... that is only because *I* can't have MY way! lol If I had my way there wouldn't even be a trial.... just saying.

 

[Laceybug]

It won't be nice but the truth is if someone did in fact see JA with bruises or injuries they can testify to having seen them and when they saw them. jmo

You are correct. I can't see anyone lying about anything in this particular case. :blushing: hehe

 

[FrayedKnot]

But not every court system is like Pinellas county, Florida. In fact 99% arent, imo.

All of the trials I have ever seen... before the CA trial and after.. the Judge expects what is said in OS by both attorneys to be brought in as evidence to support itduring the trial. Usually defense attorneys arent allowed to just make up something in OS they know they cant prove and never enter evidence of it in the trial. I have heard many Judges tell both sides they better be able to prove what they tell the jury in OS as it is to be truthful and what each side honestly thinks the evidence will show. The jurors expect both sides to be honest and truthful and that starts duing their OSs. Lie to them and they can hold it against the defendant, imo.

I fault Judge Perry for a lot of what Baez was allowed to do. The Judge is to control his or her courtroom. He had to know because of discovery that JB had nothing to back up the sex allegations he hurled at GA. But he did allow it even though he disallowed it in the CA long after the damage was already done.

Here with this Arizona Judge I do not think she will act as carelessly as JBP.

If the defense does not enter evidence sufficient to prove self defense I wouldnt be surprised in the end she rules they did not meet their burden. After the defense's CIC she may also say they have not proved that JA was a victim of abuse by TA and may not let them argue that in CAs.

However I believe she could let both issues go to the jury and let them decide whether they believe the abuse or the self defense argument. That way she protects herself and her rulings if JA is convicted and when the case goes up on appeal.

IMO

I truly hope you are right. I get so worked up just thinking the jurors might be swayed by whatever the defense had cooked up.

I will say, her DT doesn't seem to really give a darn and they don't appear to much like their defendant. So maybe they won't pull out all the stops and put on some dog and pony show.

Either way, I pray you are right about the jury. The break has worried me also.