The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #13 *ADULT CONTENT*

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  • #501
This image is the shower image of Travis Alexander blown up to 30000 pixels, his right eye. You will see an image of a light blue shirt, cropped dark jacket, the camera flashing in the left hand, and a gun? in the right. This would explain why he looked so shocked when Jodi Arias surprised him in the shower. and possibly shot him.. blowing the defenses theory of "self defense" out of the water.

ALEXANDERMURDERtravisshowercourt-2363901_p9.jpg


cnn.com

eta: That is CNN's description above, not mine. I think it is all just crazy.

except that pic TA was sitting and it was taken from the same level, so she can't be standing up and back that far
 
  • #502
Wait while I go puff a doob... :rocker:

Pass it this way....and the wine too please! :)

I spent too many hours looking at the drag photo...





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  • #503
except that pic TA was sitting and it was taken from the same level, so she can't be standing up and back that far

It looks like a chest, and i see a nipple with those port wine stains / blotches all over the chest and stomach area. That what it looks like to me!


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  • #504
except that pic TA was sitting and it was taken from the same level, so she can't be standing up and back that far

She would have to be farther away because the door was closed. He could have easily knocked her down with the door and grabbed her had he been standing. He's down and the next shot is with the door open. So she would not have been right on top of him. jmo
 
  • #505
you found that on cnn? i used to consider them a reputable news source!
 
  • #506
Those folks at CNN apparently have more wine than we do all put together! Yeah right, you can blow up a low resolution screen shot to that many pixles of the retina......ummmm....geez.
 
  • #507
Those folks at CNN apparently have more wine than we do all put together! Yeah right, you can blow up a low resolution screen shot to that many pixles of the retina......ummmm....geez.

I need to clarify it is from cnn ireport, but yea, still.
 
  • #508
This is without the original. If you look 2 1/2 inches down the left side of the picture and one inch in you can see what appears to be a hand. Look another inch over and you can see the other hand with a flash right below it. You can see where the dark shirt ends. I wish they had drawn out what they think they see with the untouched picture beside it.

I remember when there was a report about the outline of a child's body in the trunk of KC's car and no one could make it out until a poster used color variations and an outline and it was clear as day afterwards. This should be interesting. Imagine what they could do with the original. I do not see her head or legs and it could be a picture of the cabinets across from the shower. But there is a flash reflection. jmo
 
  • #509
This is without the original. If you look 2 1/2 inches down the left side of the picture and one inch in you can see what appears to be a hand. Look another inch over and you can see the other hand with a flash right below it. You can see where the dark shirt ends. I wish they had drawn out what they think they see with the untouched picture beside it.

I remember when there was a report about the outline of a child's body in the trunk of KC's car and no one could make it out until a poster used color variations and an outline and it was clear as day afterwards. This should be interesting. Imagine what they could do with the original. jmo

Nahhh.. It's too much like when people can see the face of Jesus on a piece of toast. IMO.
 
  • #510
But realizing the risk, I bet you take whatever precautions are available to you. And of course women get raped without dressing provocatively and without engaging in risky behavior. Do you not think people should just throw caution to the wind and do whatever feels good at the moment, irrespective of the potential consequences to themselves? Well, plenty of people do and some of them end up being crime victims when they could have helped themselves by taking precautions. That doesn't make it any less the criminals fault.

Thinking about this logic in terms of how I try to guide my sons -- by your reasoning, I should counsel them to just have fun and enjoy themselves ...and if they keep hanging out with a girl who slashed their tires and invaded their phone, email and FB, don't let that stand in the way of the thrill of a chaotic dangerous relationship because harm comes to even random victims.

I think that's pretty irresponsible and I don't want my sons to end up like Travis. So instead I teach them the warning signs and counsel them to steer clear of entanglements with certain types of girls. Am I part of the rape culture?

I had no precautions I could take. No one was in charge of my schedule but me. I was expected to go to the homes. Although if I ever felt it was too dangerous, I could have asked for a change of place to meet. But that would only be after I had been to the home already. Otherwise, no one would know the situation.

I don't know what to say about the rape culture. We have Take Back the Night marches where I live. Maybe other places are not as proactive?

If you would be telling your sons that boys will be boys; some girls are 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 so do with them as you wish as they are not worthy of respect; girls that dress in skimpy clothes are asking for it; she was drunk and I was drunk; all the guys thought it was OK; can't think of other examples. Yes, then you would be part of the rape culture.

If you are telling your boys that some people are damaged and cannot be fixed by love and here are the characteristics, that would not be rape culture. You are not telling them that a damaged person is a green light for using
 
  • #511
This image is the shower image of Travis Alexander blown up to 30000 pixels, his right eye. You will see an image of a light blue shirt, cropped dark jacket, the camera flashing in the left hand, and a gun? in the right. This would explain why he looked so shocked when Jodi Arias surprised him in the shower. and possibly shot him.. blowing the defenses theory of "self defense" out of the water.

ALEXANDERMURDERtravisshowercourt-2363901_p9.jpg


cnn.com

eta: That is CNN's description above, not mine. I think it is all just crazy.

Looks like a skeleton to me.
 
  • #512
Oh Goodness Gracious. I can't believe I'm watching NG JA Week 4 again. Where is that remote?
 
  • #513
Totally O/T

Well sorta

When VP was playing the recordings of CA lying about ZFG, I just thought what a better liar CA was than Jodi!
^poor grammar but ya know....

BBM: IMO, that's because CA is totally different than JA. CA is a classic APD/Sociopath/Psychopath while JA is BPD, Cluster B with comorbidity. MOO.
 
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Earlier today someone posted asking for the Bible verse JA's brother Joey posted on Facebook. Here it is:

*The lips of an immoral woman are as sweet as honey, and her mouth is smoother than oil. But in the end she is as bitter as poison, as dangerous as a double-edged sword.*
Proverbs 5:3

Sounds like maybe he is seeing the light about his big sister!

https://www.facebook.com/#!/joey.arias.7?fref=ts

He looks real young. I noticed Jodi isn't in any of his "Family" pics.
 
  • #516
I am an artist as well as a preschool teacher. I was drawn to that poster art IMMEDIATELY. I love it! Trees are a favorite subject of mine. And this image was so poignant with the sawed off trunk. :(

Not that I have ever sold my work or anything....:lol:

I just do it for the love of it.

Not to worry, our art work will sell when we are dead and gone!
 
  • #517
This image is the shower image of Travis Alexander blown up to 30000 pixels, his right eye. You will see an image of a light blue shirt, cropped dark jacket, the camera flashing in the left hand, and a gun? in the right. This would explain why he looked so shocked when Jodi Arias surprised him in the shower. and possibly shot him.. blowing the defenses theory of "self defense" out of the water.

ALEXANDERMURDERtravisshowercourt-2363901_p9.jpg


cnn.com

eta: That is CNN's description above, not mine. I think it is all just crazy.

Smokin' some good stuff at CNN....
 
  • #518
As eager as we all are for a guilty verdict, I am hopeful that the jury does NOT rush back in with ANY verdict. I really want each of them to take their job seriously, take their time, ask questions, discuss, and consider. I hope they take a couple days. I don't want one or 2 outspoken "bullies" to sway the whole group. I don't ever want to see a situation like the Pinellas 12 again.

I don't want to see any issues with the jury verdict that could cause jury nullification, or some such thing. I'd like it to be clean and unanimous. And I hope deeply that it will be guilty of premeditation....

BBM: Forgive me if I am misreading, K_Z, but the way you word the bolded sentence makes it seem you misunderstand the term "jury nullification".

Jury nullification has nothing to do with "nullifying" a verdict or doing anything, as a rule, that overturns the verdict.

Jury nullification refers to cases where the jury decides to ignore the law and vote its own prejudices and principles. For example, white juries that acquitted white supremacists who had murdered blacks in the Old South did so because they believed in protecting the Jim Crow system, not because they thought the prosecution failed to prove the guilt of the accused.

In other words, the jury "nullifies" the law. Once it does, getting that verdict overturned is nearly impossible, as I understand it. First, it's hard to prove what was in the mind of jurors. Secondly, the system as a whole is reluctant to overturn juries. Thirdly, there is disagreement among legal scholars as to whether nullification is legal or not: some argue that under our system juries have the absolute right to rule as they choose, law or no law.

Defense attorneys have subtle ways of suggesting the jury ignore the law and "do what's right instead." How much is allowed depends on the judge. If the jury ignores the law and convicts the defendant, there are all sorts of remedies; but the idea of nullification usually comes up when a jury acquits. And then there isn't much that can be done.

(I am not a lawyer. But I have sat through a number of voir dires where the concept was discussed.)
 
  • #519
Nahhh.. It's too much like when people can see the face of Jesus on a piece of toast. IMO.

it reminds me of the caller on NG who claimed she found jodi's reflection in the faucett - of the crime scene photo :floorlaugh:
 
  • #520
BBM: Forgive me if I am misreading, K_Z, but the way you word the bolded sentence makes it seem you misunderstand the term "jury nullification".

Jury nullification has nothing to do with "nullifying" a verdict or doing anything, as a rule, that overturns the verdict.

Jury nullification refers to cases where the jury decides to ignore the law and vote its own prejudices and principles. For example, white juries that acquitted white supremacists who had murdered blacks in the Old South did so because they believed in protecting the Jim Crow system, not because they thought the prosecution failed to prove the guilt of the accused.

In other words, the jury "nullifies" the law. Once it does, getting that verdict overturned is nearly impossible, as I understand it. First, it's hard to prove what was in the mind of jurors. Secondly, the system as a whole is reluctant to overturn juries. Thirdly, there is disagreement among legal scholars as to whether nullification is legal or not: some argue that under our system juries have the absolute right to rule as they choose, law or no law.

Defense attorneys have subtle ways of suggesting the jury ignore the law and "do what's right instead." How much is allowed depends on the judge. If the jury ignores the law and convicts the defendant, there are all sorts of remedies; but the idea of nullification usually comes up when a jury acquits. And then there isn't much that can be done.

(I am not a lawyer. But I have sat through a number of voir dires where the concept was discussed.)

I believe that the verdict in the OJ trial was jury nullification.
 
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