The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #13 *ADULT CONTENT*

[LambChop]

IIRC Travis' roommates each paid him $400.00 a month for rent and they were allowed full access of his home. She murdered him June 4. Perhaps they paid him in cash and he had not deposited the money yet.

We know that he had not deposited Jodi's check for the car payment yet. The one she kept asking everyone about. Maybe she was looking for her check to Travis and came across the rent money.

I'm guessing she brought that check with her when she came and that is why is was not deposited. We know she did not have the car and the check was left where investigators could easily find it. Didn't she also ask the family if she could have it because Travis wanted her to have it?

I'm thinking Jodi saved her tip money, her pay from the restaurant and that is what she may have deposited. Seems to me putting it in all at once she may have held back depositing the money because she wanted to make sure she had money in there for her trip. jmo

 

[nursebeeme]

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The two items of hair color were purchased at the Salinas CA Walmart on June 3rd at 3:22PM. So that was after she had spent the night of June 2nd at her ex's (or whoever it was she stayed with).

I can't link, I just have a screen capture of part of the receipt.

Why didn't Juan point this out? I guess it would have cost $ to have a Walmart person come to AZ to testify that it was hair coloring bought at this store? But it proves she did it between 3:22PM and arriving at TA's house, which is WEIRD since she was en route.

saw it on the big overhead

 

[nursebeeme]

Jury I mean! Sorry on phone

 

[nursebeeme]

Where do you think she got all that cash? I doubt her grandparents would turn her in for stealing from them at this point.

Pawn shop?

 

[iSleuth]

What a freak JA is and how i hope there will be justice for TA.

The role of the camera has bothered and confused me so much.
I am sorry if this has already been discussed for years- but what does everyone think? did she leave the camera on purpose or by accident?

I think it is part of the premeditation evidence!

I really feel like her leaving it was a total accident- that the camera inadvertently got scooped up in the wash.

I think JA had planned to use the photos as part of her alibi if she got caught to say what she is about to claim this week. That he was un-morman fornicator ( male form of whoredoms) who made her have premarital sex.

She planned to work the photos- and possibly destroy them like ( the gun and knife) but....oops...she did not know where the camera got to...( i dont think she washed it on purpose at all) and that was why she kept contacting detectives and requested to go to Mesa and " get somethings that she had left there" I bet she was dying to get that camera. can you imagine?

Also...does that particular camera have a feature
where you can turn the image around and take a " portrait" of oneself?

I personally see those photos as self portraits at least a few of her whoredomish- pornie photos- show her hand to the side...maybe she was taking them of herself....and she did a great job too making sure the lube is in the still life. She is a real Olympia!( ref to the Manet painting) the lube is part of her " 3 ---- wonder" abuse-defense.

JMO she offered this ( ahem up)to him... probably thought she would lure him with her "3rd wonder" (and one last chance to change his mind and take her to cancun... )and now is using it to defame TA. She planted the KY as evidence in the photos. The most obvious reason to have KY is for that act- and -defense. MOO JA is a pathological psycho lying manipulator and she went to great lengths to plan his death and her road trip and alibi.
JMO

About...why would a guy like TA have KY...or not or what....anyone: room mates or dog walkers would think if they saw it ( if they opened his drawers) c'mon...I doubt anyone of those people would care or judge. jmo

But after this week and the defense I bet the jury will.

 

[Angelo]

Pawn shop?

Perhaps pawning, among other things, the grandparents other stolen items.

 

[kscornfed]

What a freak JA is and how i hope there will be justice for TA.

The role of the camera has bothered and confused me so much.
I am sorry if this has already been discussed for years- but what does everyone think? did she leave the camera on purpose or by accident?

I think it is part of the premeditation evidence!

I really feel like her leaving it was a total accident- that the camera inadvertently got scooped up in the wash.

I think JA had planned to use the photos as part of her alibi if she got caught to say what she is about to claim this week. That he was un-morman fornicator ( male form of whoredoms) who made her have premarital sex.

She planned to work the photos- and possibly destroy them like ( the gun and knife) but....oops...she did not know where the camera got to...( i dont think she washed it on purpose at all) and that was why she kept contacting detectives and requested to go to Mesa and " get somethings that she had left there" I bet she was dying to get that camera. can you imagine?

Also...does that particular camera have a feature
where you can turn the image around and take a " portrait" of oneself?

I personally see those photos as self portraits at least a few of her whoredomish- pornie photos- show her hand to the side...maybe she was taking them of herself....and she did a great job too making sure the lube is in the still life. She is a real Olympia!( ref to the Manet painting) the lube is part of her " 3 ---- wonder" abuse-defense.

JMO she offered this ( ahem up)to him... probably thought she would lure him with her "3rd wonder" (and one last chance to change his mind and take her to cancun... )and now is using it to defame TA. She planted the KY as evidence in the photos. The most obvious reason to have KY is for that act- and -defense. MOO JA is a pathological psycho lying manipulator and she went to great lengths to plan his death and her road trip and alibi.
JMO

About...why would a guy like TA have KY...or not or what....anyone: room mates or dog walkers would think if they saw it ( if they opened his drawers) c'mon...I doubt anyone of those people would care or judge. jmo

But after this week and the defense I bet the jury will.

i just think if she was setting up a self-defense claim, it would've been the first story she told. if she'd said that in the first place, this case would have been so much harder to prove---but she didn't.

first, she swore wasn't there. i think she really hoped she'd cleaned up well enough that any trace of her there would be explained by her previous presence in the house. then there was the camera. like you, i think she believed she had deleted those photos, for one thing. they were gone. AND, i agree that she put that camera in the wash by accident. otherwise, she would have just taken it with her and destroyed it along with the other things we know she got rid of somewhere.

i do believe she went there with the intent to kill him--maybe if he'd told her he'd take her to cancun she wouldn't have. i don't know. but i think it didn't turn out being as easy or as tidy as she'd envisioned it would be. she made a mess of the scene and she was there for hours she couldn't explain.

i'm preparing myself to be angry and frustrated starting tuesday. i always am during defense presentations where the defendant is clearly guilty. :banghead:

 

[LambChop]

I think what is interesting is in Jodi's last two long term relationships with men she is the one who broke it off and that could be because someone better came along. TA was the one who broke off with her in this instance and she obviously could not accept that. I would hope if defense puts MM on the stand the prosecutor can bring that to the jury's attention. jmo

 

[Quester]

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:floorlaugh: "Peace, love and Bobby Sherman"

 

[oceanblueeyes]

i just think if she was setting up a self-defense claim, it would've been the first story she told. if she'd said that in the first place, this case would have been so much harder to prove---but she didn't.

first, she swore wasn't there. i think she really hoped she'd cleaned up well enough that any trace of her there would be explained by her previous presence in the house. then there was the camera. like you, i think she believed she had deleted those photos, for one thing. they were gone. AND, i agree that she put that camera in the wash by accident. otherwise, she would have just taken it with her and destroyed it along with the other things we know she got rid of somewhere.

i do believe she went there with the intent to kill him--maybe if he'd told her he'd take her to cancun she wouldn't have. i don't know. but i think it didn't turn out being as easy or as tidy as she'd envisioned it would be. she made a mess of the scene and she was there for hours she couldn't explain.

i'm preparing myself to be angry and frustrated starting tuesday. i always am during defense presentations where the defendant is clearly guilty. :banghead:

Oh I have no doubt they would have arrested her for murder even if she did claim self defense. The way she killed him does not comport with the self defense law in AZ. So that would have failed.

They would still have the photos and all the other evidence placing her there plus the MEs report on how she killed him so I dont think they would have had a hard time proving it wasnt self defense.

For self defense to work she would have had to just stab him once or shoot him in the head. A person is required by law to retreat when they have an opportunity to do so and its obvious that Travis was no threat to her while in the shower and it shows he is trying to get away from her when he finally sees her there. No one rushes someone who holds a knife or a gun. They best they can hope for is to ward off the knife slashes by putting up their hands and arms trying to block them.

Hell she didnt even have to go into the bathroom to spy on him. I have a feeling he thought she had already left his home. She could have just kept traveling to Utah but that was not her plot. She was going to murder Travis before she left. She wanted to be able to replay in her mind how it all went down ...even the sex part and how she had him hemmed up in a small enclosed space with no way to get out but toward her and the knife she was holding. She wanted control over TA again and she got it back when she ended his life. He was not in control of his destiny......she was.

Imo she began to plot this murder when Travis told her he would not be coming to visit her afterall. I dont think it had anything to do with not getting to go to CanCun. She knew already that wasnt going to happen.

But she did know she had lost her control over her sex slave and he was going to go on with his life before he knew her. That she wouldnt tolerate. No one takes control away from a psychopath. If they dare try the phycopath will come back with a vengence from hell tenfold and Jodi Arias did.

IMO

 

[Madeleine74]

I can't make out anything in those highly pixelated blown up 3rd generation images from the pupils of TA's eyes. I'm calling it another "Rorschach Inkblot Test" and leaving it at that. What is described in those images is really about the person trying to interpret what they see in the image. Just like tales that involve speculating about the movements, actions, motives, thoughts, and feelings of both perp and victim, it's really not about the crime or the victim as much as it's about the author and their own emotional and psychological issues, because the impressions are not based on facts that can be substantiated and correlated, but purely in the author's imagination and interpretation of what they imagine.

 

[LambChop]

I can't make out anything in those highly pixelated blown up 3rd generation images from the pupils of TA's eyes. I'm calling it another "Rorschach Inkblot Test" and leaving it at that. What is described in those images is really about the person trying to interpret what they see in the image. Just like tales that involve speculating about the movements, actions, motives, thoughts, and feelings of both perp and victim, it's really not about the crime or the victim as much as it's about the author and their own emotional and psychological issues, because the impressions are not based on facts that can be substantiated and correlated, but purely in the author's imagination and interpretation of what they imagine.

But it did keep us out of the penalty box for the weekend. lol

 

[Madeleine74]

So in essence, it's like a bunch of individuals lying on therapists' couches and talking about their dreams, fears, and other natterings of the mind that the average Freudian or Jungian psychologist would encounter, but without the expert to then interpret what is going on inside the couch dweller (aka patient). Not terribly dissimilar to listening to the general public's interpretations of modern art pieces at a museum. A random splash of paint on a blank canvas can take on a whole story complete with predictions for mankind.

 

[atthelake]

It's not an item men keep around and in particular unmarried Mormans. Look at the size of it. It's like a year's supply. Plus we already know it was something she used. I was married 41 years and never had a tube of it in my home. I just don't see him having it because of his beliefs. Anyone who travels with a tube of that, unless they are handicapped, are looking for some action. lol jmo

Ummm, how do I say this...but I have heard :blush: that many women AND men have for time alone type sexual behavior...the big M.... Just not a topic folks talk about IYKWIM

 

[LambChop]

So in essence, it's like a bunch of individuals lying on therapists' couches and talking about their dreams, fears, and other natterings of the mind that the average Freudian or Jungian psychologist would encounter, but without the expert to then interpret what is going on inside the couch dweller (aka patient). Not terribly dissimilar to listening to the general public's interpretations of modern art pieces at a museum. A random splash of paint on a blank canvas can take on a whole story complete with predictions for mankind.

Yep, you got it. Besides it's too cold to go lie down in the grass and pick out figures in the clouds. Kept us busy, up until today. Still have two days to go until we can refocus our attention on more important things. jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It seems more logical that Jodi brought the KY there.

I cant see Travis going into a store and buying it for anyone to see it.

Didnt Juan say she introduced the KY to Travis. Maybe its on one of the receipts showing where she purchased it.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yep, you got it. Besides it's too cold to go lie down in the grass and pick out figures in the clouds. Kept us busy, up until today. Still have two days to go until we can refocus our attention on more important things. jmo

I think tomorrow's hearing will be interesting too.

Im glad IS is going to air it.

IMO

 

[LambChop]

Ummm, how do I say this...but I have heard :blush: that many women AND men have for time alone type sexual behavior...the big M.... Just not a topic folks talk about IYKWIM

Really?? I would think a man could dislocate his shoulder using that kind of stuff. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I think tomorrow's hearing will be interesting too.

Im glad IS is going to air it.

IMO

Oh my. I almost forgot about that. Thanks.

 

[kscornfed]

Oh I have no doubt they would have arrested her for murder even if she did claim self defense. The way she killed him does not comport with the self defense law in AZ. So that would have failed.

They would still have the photos and all the other evidence placing her there plus the MEs report on how she killed him so I dont think they would have had a hard time proving it wasnt self defense.

For self defense to work she would have had to just stab him once or shoot him in the head. A person is required by law to retreat when they have an opportunity to do so and its obvious that Travis was no threat to her while in the shower and it shows he is trying to get away from her when he finally sees her there. No one rushes someone who holds a knife or a gun. They best they can hope for is to ward off the knife slashes by putting up their hands and arms trying to block them.

Hell she didnt even have to go into the bathroom to spy on him. I have a feeling he thought she had already left his home. She could have just kept traveling to Utah but that was not her plot. She was going to murder Travis before she left. She wanted to be able to replay in her mind how it all went down ...even the sex part and how she had him hemmed up in a small enclosed space with no way to get out but toward her and the knife she was holding. She wanted control over TA again and she got it back when she ended his life. He was not in control of his destiny......she was.

Imo she began to plot this murder when Travis told her he would not be coming to visit her afterall. I dont think it had anything to do with not getting to go to CanCun. She knew already that wasnt going to happen.

But she did know she had lost her control over her sex slave and he was going to go on with his life before he knew her. That she wouldnt tolerate. No one takes control away from a psychopath. If they dare try the phycopath will come back with a vengence from hell tenfold and Jodi Arias did.

IMO

all i'm saying is if she'd told ONE story instead of 3, she'd be in a better position. she wouldn't have gone into her trial as a known notorious, outrageous liar. the PA wouldn't be able to play those interviews, which prove she lies with complete ease.

and i think you're right about his cancelled trip. i think that, along with cancun, and him telling her to leave him alone all led to her decision to kill him.