The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #16 *ADULT CONTENT*

[missy1974]

I disagree. Do you remember that the email that was sent to Chris from "Travis" was a forgery??

It shows that Chris received a crazy email from (who he thought was Travis) and that he did respond to it. At the time he responded to the email, he had no idea that the letters were forged.

Being the very close friend to Travis that he was, Chris responded with what appears to be a very long email back to his friend who he thought was in some sort of crisis.

What it also proves is that Jodi was already premeditating a possible defense for killing Travis.

All IMO, JMO, MOO

I think you may be getting the forged letters - that Jodi said Travis wrote - and the emails - that actually were emails between Chris and Travis - mixed up. Chris never said he didn't write the email or didn't receive the emails from Travis. I don't recall hearing that the emails were fake or forged at all, and I would imagine the Prosecution would have argued more than they did if they did indeed believed they were not sent.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Yes, everyone is entitled to a defense. Even them. However, I've been on the other side as a victim and had my character assassinated by a defense attorney. Rape case. I was taking a cab to work after my car broke down and he decided I wasn't going to work. That attorney poisoned me against what they do. Sorry, I can't help it. Nobody knows what that feels like if they haven't been there.

What a horrible thing to go through! Sending you peaceful and healing thoughts raying:

 

[m00c0w]

I think you are confusing being read by the witness and being admitted into evidence for this hearing.

Here take a listen again.
http://youtu.be/2QodsaSRoDg?t=33m6s

He's referring to "Mr. Alexander's email", not CH's email.

"No, I'm saying he's entitled to read it, that's different." The witness is entitled to read Mr. Alexander's email. The argument is over the initial e-mail, contained on page one of the document.

 

[LambChop]

Is there ANY proof there was a history of violence towards JA?

None that we have seen. Just speculation.

 

[TorisMom003]

Thank you! Especially after the new pictures of her came out sitting on the beach. It's the same hat! If you find one of her posts that is in blue, you can click on it and it takes you to the Casey Is Innocent website to discuss all about THAT case.

I really think she's trying out her paralegal hat with the Jodi Arias case.

IMO, JMO, MOO

I have not gotten to the end of the thread yet, however I wanted to address this. That Jodi is innocent site is a shoot off from the Casey is innocent site. The same people that post on the Casey site post on the Jodi site. Since they are supporters of Casey several of them have Casey pics as their avatars. CJ is NOT Casey but is a HUGE supporter of Casey. Casey "alledgedly" (sp?) sent her supporters a message on her site and corresponds with the owner every once in a while. So no worries, Casey is not posting about the Jodi case.

MOO

 

[AngelWings444]

It shows a history of violence or abuse towards the defendant.

Maybe I am missing something, but you keep referring to a history of violence towards JA. Where is this information located or are you assuming for the sake of argument?

 

[katiecoolady]

Last night both Beth Karas and Nancy Grace said that witness lists are public info., and that Sky could have gotten it as soon as the clerk filed it, but it didn't matter even if it was leaked early, since it is public knowledge.

Honestly having been close to a prosecution case and privy to information that was being held close to the vest, I can see how someone from the Pros. office could have, in an attempt to decipher the defense witnesses, call someone who likely was "connected" to a person and ask them if they knew them. To try and shortcut some info about who they were dealing with and why.

Honestly, Chris Hughes should not have then called Gus. I think it was out of probably two things: outrage and ignorance. Not some kind of manipulation or misconduct but more like "WTF Man? What are you doing here?" . Travis was his very good friend. I can see that. But I don't think he should have done it (and I suspect he wishes he hadn't now).

 

[manzana]

It doesn't but apparently in Arizona, there's a different standard for people who have been subjected to a history of abuse by the person they kill. Instead of determining whether a reasonable person would have feared imminent death or serious bodily injury -- the question is whether, considering the history of physical or sexual abuse, it was reasonable for the defendant to fear imminent death or serious bodily injury

Juan had a good day with Jodi's ex....scored major points but Nurmi also did well, he is kinda a Columbo style da Slow and methodical.

He did get out in court that Chris Hughes in his talks with Detective Flores alluded to him being able to see Travis throwing Jodi against a wall Juan quickly objected to relevance.


However the bell was rung but the jury was not present. I am wondering am I the only one who saw this? Maybe everyone else s feed was down. Now it leaves me wondering if anything like this possibly happened at the Hughes home on one of their numerous visits.

For the record, I do not think Travis abused Jodi, nor do I think he had any fear of her but how many couples do not argue fuss and fight.

 

[Pensfan]

I do not mean any offense by this, but you're operating backwards (Going from already have formed a conclusive opinion to a different opinion, not starting from nothing and going to something). The defense is trying to show it was self defense, because Arias was abused. It is then necessary to show that Arias was actually abused. If there are e-mails from the victim's best friend to the victim saying that he's not treating her right, and it may be interpreted as he's being abusive to her... It certainly matters to the defense case. The question is no longer did Arias do it; we know she did. The question the defense is hoping to bring up is if Arias did it in self defense.

....but it doesn't have to be immediate danger if the defense can prove she was a long-term victim of domestic abuse. Domestic abuse victims reach a point when they are so psychologically and physically exhausted with being attacked that they believe their only escape is to kill their abuser. Some will then plot to kill their abusers. IMO, some of the abused do a great service to society by eliminating their abuser, BUT I DON'T THINK TRAVIS ABUSED JODI.

 

[minor4th]

Is there ANY proof there was a history of violence towards JA?

Not yet, and there won't likely be any. Listen to the defense opening statements. They are essentially saying Travis was not always nice to Jodi, and that's about it.

 

[m00c0w]

Is there ANY proof there was a history of violence towards JA?

I don't know. We'll have to wait for witness testimony and to see what's in the e-mails, if they're allowed.

I think there may be some inklings of an unhealthy relationship from TA's side. In fact, I'd bet money on it. However, whether it constitutes abuse to any great extent... Probably not. Certainly most likely not enough to warrant any sort of battered person syndrome defense.

 

[TigerBalm]

Is there ANY proof there was a history of violence towards JA?

Fabricated .. yes
Actual .. no

 

[AngelWings444]

None that we have seen. Just speculation.

Then it should state IMO/JMO etc...

Speculation on an email and what it may/may not say? On a hacked account from a murderer? Ok then..

:floorlaugh:

 

[Hatfield]

I agree. Although it's been interesting, and we've heard a few tidbits that have been interesting. I don't really see the point of continuing the hearing. It looks like they will get Sky on the stand now too, and ask her who she heard from, etc. But unless she says that the prosecutor's office asked her or Chris to call Gus and find out what is going on and to report back to them, I don't see it being prosecutorial misconduct. Even if they did ask them to do this, would it be misconduct?

Exactly.
Chris already said he was just curious as to why he called and Gus also could not say anything that indicated the PA ordered them to pressure him or question him. So unless Sky comes up with something different, I dont see how bringing her in helps at all.
If Sky testifies that the PA ordered them to talk to Gus and try to get him to change his siding over to them, I suppose that could be some sort of misconduct, but based on what we know from Gus and Chris, I dont see that happening. I do think Chris/Sky were really just curious and probably could not believe what in the heck this Gus guy was doing siding with defense.

They probably did not realize how "different" he was until that day, and then after today, they really are shocked as to how "different" this guy really is.

 

[katiecoolady]

I have not gotten to the end of the thread yet, however I wanted to address this. That Jodi is innocent site is a shoot off from the Casey is innocent site. The same people that post on the Casey site post on the Jodi site. Since they are supporters of Casey several of them have Casey pics as their avatars. CJ is NOT Casey but is a HUGE supporter of Casey. Casey "alledgedly" (sp?) sent her supporters a message on her site and corresponds with the owner every once in a while. So no worries, Casey is not posting about the Jodi case.

MOO

It's interesting isn't it? The subculture of people who defend murderers...going from one to the next. It's akin to the subculture of women who jump from imprisoned murderer to the next. Curious.

 

[minor4th]

Juan had a good day with Jodi's ex....scored major points but Nurmi also did well, he is kinda a Columbo style da Slow and methodical.

He did get out in court that Chris Hughes in his talks with Detective Flores alluded to him being able to see Travis throwing Jodi against a wall Juan quickly objected to relevance.


However the bell was rung but the jury was not present. I am wondering am I the only one who saw this? Maybe everyone else s feed was down. Now it leaves me wondering if anything like this possibly happened at the Hughes home on one of their numerous visits.

For the record, I do not think Travis abused Jodi, nor do I think he had any fear of her but how many couples do not argue fuss and fight.

I saw it, and that will never make it to a jury. I could also see wanting to throw Jodi against a wall, but neither Chris nor I have any evidence that Travis ever did that.

 

[magpie]

She can say she felt she was in imminent danger because of prior physical abuse. "He got that look in his eye" sort of thing. idk

Not to defend Jody at all because IMO Jody is a liar and guilty as Heck, but I've seen 'that look in his eye thing' from my ex of 28 yrs. Now, 99% of the time it would make me leave the room silently, go sit down and shut my mouth. Rarely would I ever talk back, but I would have never raised my hand to harm him in any way... unless I had been physically attacked by him first. If he had attacked me there would be physical evidence on ME (bruises and the like) that I had been attacked. That's just me though, and how I personally would react.

 

[Curious Me]

Prayers for the family and friends of Travis to get through tomorrow.

katiecoolady, glad you're going to be there.

Get rest Everybody especially if you're as wrung out as I am after today.

:wave: fftobed:

 

[minor4th]

I don't know. We'll have to wait for witness testimony and to see what's in the e-mails, if they're allowed.

I think there may be some inklings of an unhealthy relationship from TA's side. In fact, I'd bet money on it. However, whether it constitutes abuse to any great extent... Probably not. Certainly most likely not enough to warrant any sort of battered person syndrome defense.

Unhealthy relationship is not a history of "domestic violence," which is what is required in Arizona to invoke the domestic violence self defense. A history of domestic violence is physical or sexual assault -- not being unkind or name calling or leading someone on, etc.

 

[katiecoolady]

Prayers for the family and friends of Travis to get through tomorrow.

katiecoolady, glad you're going to be there.

Get rest Everybody especially if you're as wrung out as I am after today.

:wave: fftobed:

Awww I love that little blankie avatar. :seeya: