The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #16 *ADULT CONTENT*

[BritsKate]

Many that are abused as children have an opposite reaction as adults and parents. In reading Travis' blog it would appear he had a lot of insight about his own experiences with abuse and neglect.

I put that in comparison though to my ex who said nearly daily he'd be beaten for whatever our children were doing - nearly advocating such a response.

 

[Karmady]

The question was "How does any e-mail..." It was a hypothetical question; I did not realize I needed to qualify such a response as an opinion when the question was phrased as it was to begin with.

And I don't believe the validity of the e-mail is in question. This is an e-mail CH sent to TA (and apparently acknowledges sending), not something TA sent anywhere else.

I was just going to post the same thing. The validity of that e-mail is not in question. And Chris took the longest I've seen a witness take to read an e-mail...ever. His wheels were spinning for sure. The jury wasn't there to see it, though, so whatever. I wonder if the defense will use it/be able to use it in their case to the jury.

Btw, I reviewed the minute entries as best I could (there are a LOT) and I see that the motion to disallow the letters was granted only because it was withdrawn. I don't know if there's any subsequent history on that, though. Does someone know if there's a subsequent ruling on the letters purportedly written by Travis? I was surprised to hear Nurmi say that a expert said they were probably written by Travis (paraphrasing)

 

[princesspjs]

They were talking about an e-mail CH sent to TA, allegedly saying that he was treating Arias poorly and that he needed to stop and just let her go or something to that extent.

Yes, but he (Chris) was responding to an email that he received from Travis (or at least from Travis' email account). The defense wouldn't let him read which email it was that he was responding to.

I thought that the defense was showing a response from Chris to one of the forged emails from Travis. Now I'm not sure if it was one of the forged letters or not. If it's not a forged one then my whole interpretation of what was going on today is off.

 

[magpie]

Ohyeah. Marlene Newell...I met her in person! lol I think it was that site who decided Jordy and I were in the Asian Mafia. :floorlaugh: And selling our bodies on the street corners of Redwood City to afford our trips there. What a compliment!:what:

Oh my goodness, Marlene! It's been 10 yrs and if asked I could have never recalled her name! I was a stealth poster over there just to see what they were saying. :floorlaugh: I was younger then, wouldn't have the energy to do that now. Yeah, you and Jordy were such bad girls according to Marlene. I remember seeing Marlene interviewed on CourtTV during the trial and she looked so matronly to put it nicely, and I had her figured for a wanderlust Scott lover until I actually saw her. :what:

 

[gitana1]

Ok. I see. She met Travis and had already moved on to the enxt victim. So of course she didn't get upset by the break up with this dude (the ex whose testimony I'm listening to). She had no reason to stalk and murder him.

 

[Karmady]

Many that are abused as children have an opposite reaction as adults and parents. In reading Travis' blog it would appear he had a lot of insight about his own experiences with abuse and neglect.

I put that in comparison though to my ex who said nearly daily he'd be beaten for whatever our children were doing - nearly advocating such a response.

Yes, everyone is different. I just wouldn't be shocked is all, given his extremely abusive family history and, in particular, that the abuse was violent and primarily at the hands of his mother -- and I'm assuming that the account on his blog is true there. Idk, I haven't heard the rest of his family members speak about it and don't know if they have.

 

[Pensfan]

There were emails back and forth from Travis to Chad where Chad told Travis that he should stop seeing Jodi. Travis because he wasn't really interested in her and this was "abusive" according to Chad.

There were emails from Travis to Jody where he called her unpleasant names. In addition there were ALLEGED letters from Travis to Jodi suggesting he was a pedophile.

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Arias' third story is detailed in recent court documents as part of a request she made to admit electronic copies of letters allegedly written by Alexander between November 27, 2006, and May 27, 2008.
"Defendant had previously attributed the crime to intruders. She now argues that all of the letters must be admitted to support her domestic violence defense," prosecutors wrote in a motion to preclude the letters. "Defendant argues that the letters are relevant to her claim of self-defense and that she was a victim of previous 'sexual and physical abuse' by Mr. Alexander."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/29/jodi-arias_n_1174274.html


Arias also wants emails that Travis sent to her admitted. These are emails where he called her a and etc...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mon-stabbed-death-27-times-ex-girlfriend.html

 

[TorisMom003]

Ok. I see. She met Travis and had already moved on to the enxt victim. So of course she didn't get upset by the break up with this dude (the ex whose testimony I'm listening to). She had no reason to stalk and murder him.

It also helps that she dumped him. Travis had the nerve to dump her so he had to die, in her mind.

MOO

 

[LaneGirl]

I was just going to post the same thing. The validity of that e-mail is not in question. And Chris took the longest I've seen a witness take to read an e-mail...ever. His wheels were spinning for sure. The jury wasn't there to see it, though, so whatever. I wonder if the defense will use it/be able to use it in their case to the jury.

Btw, I reviewed the minute entries as best I could (there are a LOT) and I see that the motion to disallow the letters was granted only because it was withdrawn. I don't know if there's any subsequent history on that, though. Does someone know if there's a subsequent ruling on the letters purportedly written by Travis? I was surprised to hear Nurmi say that a expert said they were probably written by Travis (paraphrasing)

I have to find the states document but basically they were able to say that a couple of the letters matched handwriting from JA's journal and some of the others were inconclusive. Also because they were copies the state argued that they could have been copied and pasted together.

 

[LambChop]

It seems ridiculous. I feel like they should open with a good witness.



Thanks!!!

My gosh, now I;m listening to the ex boyfriend's testimony. I wish I had been here this morning to read your posts. Was anyone as icked out as I am?

"Were you still in love?" "Very much so."

He just gushes about her. How can anyone who knows their ex murdered another human being, gush and fawn over them? If he thought of her so highly, why didn't things work out? Because she wanted someone with more money, better looks? He just makes me sick.

That could all change if he listened to NG tonight. Jodi has a girlfriend in prison. So he was very much in love with her but not enough to marry her after four years. jmo

 

[TigerBalm]

Sort of O/T Breaking Point - Deadly Women
Juan Martinez/Wendi Andriano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xlNeJU1f4kU#t=1738s

He was dying of cancer (would have died within weeks) and yet she decided to not only poison him but when he didn't die fast enough, she bludgeons him in the head 23 times and then stabs him in the neck (area the cancer started). Oh yeah she claims self defense as well.

Prosecutor Martinez knows the evil he is facing with Arias, he faced it with Andriano.

 

[missy1974]

Yes, but he (Chris) was responding to an email that he received from Travis (or at least from Travis' email account). The defense wouldn't let him read which email it was that he was responding to.

I thought that the defense was showing a response from Chris to one of the forged emails from Travis. Now I'm not sure if it was one of the forged letters or not. If it's not a forged one then my whole interpretation of what was going on today is off.

There was no indication today that the emails that Chris was asking about/reading/reviewing were forged. Unless I missed something?

 

[manzana]

Yes, but he (Chris) was responding to an email that he received from Travis (or at least from Travis' email account). The defense wouldn't let him read which email it was that he was responding to.

I thought that the defense was showing a response from Chris to one of the forged emails from Travis. Now I'm not sure if it was one of the forged letters or not. If it's not a forged one then my whole interpretation of what was going on today is off.

I got the opposite of that, I thought it was Juan who objected to the first part of email being read....in seemed like Nurmi was straddled with only being able to have CH read his own response?

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Thank you! Do you have the link to that video because the last part where Gus writes down the name and/or phone number was not televised today, nor was it on the live feed I was watching. Did you actually see him writing the info down as the Judge had ordered him to do?

Thanks in advance if anyone has this link!

Magpie - had to comment on your signature line and tell you that we took in a shelter dog this past summer. And he's a TRUE shelter pet. Came into the shelter with his siblings (litter of nine), and they were in terrible shape. He's happy, healthy and coming along with his integration into our household.

It wasn't an easy journey, these dogs pretty well run wild on the aboriginal reserves in the northern areas of my province (I'm in Canada), so they are wild by nature. Lots of love and patience and he will be a welcome addition to our family :heart:

 

[princesspjs]

TA was naked and weaponless (it appears) but according to his MySpace and website, he states he is a triathlete, has 16 1/2" biceps and likes Mixed Martial Arts, and had a punching bag in his house. Somebody might say his hands were his weapons.

I have no idea what went on between them, not defending Jodi...just an observation.

Except that Jodi had NO injuries to herself other than a cut on one or two of the creases of her fingers on her left hand that a bandaid covered. Travis couldn't have inflicted her ONLY injury with his hands.

IMO. JMO, MOO

 

[gitana1]

Let me repost an excerpt from your post:

I got exactly what her wonderful team are hoping and I'll reiterate they can get whatever emails they'd like of CH entered and those emails can express all day long what he thought of how Travis handled his business including expressing he thought it wrong or even abusive.. IT MATTERS NOT AND IS IRRELEVANT TO THE FACT THAT SHE SLAUGHTERED TRAVIS.​

So, what words did I put into your mouth?

You just said that any e-mails from CH, even those expressing that CH felt JA's way of "handling his business" was abusive don't matter.

Compared to what I said:

If you don't care if she was actually abused and exculpatory evidence may be present, you could have just said that.​

What, exactly, is inaccurate? Please, be specific.

I can;t speak for Smooth but I see logic issues with your argument. CH's attitude is not evidence of abuse and does not constitute exculpatory evidence. Now, if CH had actually seen or heard something abusive, like a threat or a push, on the part of Travis, or bruises, something like that, that might be relevant to a possible self defense claim (if stretched very far) and could possibly lead to exculpatory evidence, but Travis' friends thinking that it was abusive to continue on an affair with a woman he didn't love or intend to marry, has nothing to do with anything, at all.

 

[AngelWings444]

Ok. I see. She met Travis and had already moved on to the enxt victim. So of course she didn't get upset by the break up with this dude (the ex whose testimony I'm listening to). She had no reason to stalk and murder him.

Just a warning, grab a glass of wine or something before you get to the prosecution trying to pry answers out of him. It's maddening. :great:

 

[m00c0w]

I can;t speak for Smooth but I see logic issues with your argument. CH's attitude is not evidence of abuse and does not constitute exculpatory evidence. Now, if CH had actually seen or heard something abusive, like a threat or a push, on the part of Travis, or bruises, something like that, that might be relevant to a possible self defense claim (if stretched very far) and could possibly lead to exculpatory evidence, but Travis' friends thinking that it was abusive to continue on an affair with a woman he didn't love or intend to marry, has nothing to do with anything, at all.

I agree with you. However the poster said "whatever e-mail", even one where he says TA is being abusive, doesn't matter. From that, the discussion moved beyond the singular e-mail that we're referencing and on to any e-mail, including one where he "goes on all day long" about how abusive TA is.

 

[LaneGirl]

Yes, but he (Chris) was responding to an email that he received from Travis (or at least from Travis' email account). The defense wouldn't let him read which email it was that he was responding to.

I thought that the defense was showing a response from Chris to one of the forged emails from Travis. Now I'm not sure if it was one of the forged letters or not. If it's not a forged one then my whole interpretation of what was going on today is off.

CH's wife did respond via email to the DT about the forged pedophilia letters and even asked what age group TA liked which was quickly objected to by PA. CH then stated that she responded that was because the DT told her their expert verified one of these letters as from TA. CH then went on to say after giving it thought they changed their minds and did not believe TA wrote the letters. Then the emails from CH to TA was handed to him to read and respond to.

Does that clear it up a bit?

 

[gitana1]

TA was naked and weaponless (it appears) but according to his MySpace and website, he states he is a triathlete, has 16 1/2" biceps and likes Mixed Martial Arts, and had a punching bag in his house. Somebody might say his hands were his weapons.

I have no idea what went on between them, not defending Jodi...just an observation.

It's pretty easy to disable an unarmed, naked guy who is sitting in a shower, by shooting them in the head or stabbing them in the heart. Especially when the guy is not expecting it. I don't understand why his height, his weight, or his fighting ability would matter at all given what happened.

The timing of the murder as evidenced by the photos shows there was no time for Travis to have suddenly attacked her, leading to a self-defense. He was sitting there naked one moment and the next he was being dragged. And since jodi arias had no defensive wounds, that pretty much rules a self-defense claim out.