The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #17 *ADULT CONTENT*

[LotusPawprint]

Oh Lotus you will be thrilled when you see it. A thing of beauty. From my admittedly poor memory:
Were you abused?
Were you scared of Travis?
What do you consider cheating?
Would you call Jodi a stalker?
Did he call you names?

Oh, wait. You mean all of the relevant questions to the case and to the supposed defense??!

 

[BritsKate]

Oh, wait. You mean all of the relevant questions to the case and to the supposed defense??!

The very ones the defense did not ask!

 

[MsCharlieChan]

Brother - today's testimony re incidents of "abuse". How many times was his temper lost over what, weeks and months? Two? Three? If it was me they were testifying about there would be much more than that, possibly 100!:blushing: And guess what? No one is afraid of me!

So far, I feel the defense has done an alright job of opening the door to the possibility of self-defense. We'll have to see if they have the goods to walk all the way through it. However, a good amount of doubt about TA's character was effectively cast today.

-- Ex-girlfriend Lisa's email was damaging. No matter how the prosecution tries, that bell cannot be "unrung." She read TA the riot act -- and she admittedly didn't even know the half.

-- Desiree's testimony was a problem for the prosecution. TA pulled his car too close to the Grand Canyon for Jodi to get out and take pics? Then he pulled off a bit, as if he'd strand her there? My guy would NEVER play like that. That's MEAN, particularly on the heals of a loud argument.

-- Desiree claimed she couldn't remember TA's exact words once he let JA back in the car. She claimed it was just his tone that was "over the top." I'll bet she remembers the essence of what he said, and I suspect it was a continuation of the mean "drop dead off the edge / get lost" theme.

-- And then comes testimony by Desiree's brother. He had to go upstairs and "diffuse" an obviously loud and embarrassing argument between JA & TA.

Again, the above does NOT a self-defense case make. But depending on what else they have, all of this could be viewed as a down payment.

These testimonies are the "River Cruz" that can cast doubt...

 

[jevipo74]

I missed the tail end of Lisa's testimony on cross.

Can someone please tell me how it ended?

Was Juan able to bring up Jodi slashing the tires and stalking?

thanks

No on the tires and yes on the stalking. It was a juror question asking if she thought Jodi was a stalker and she said yes.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks for all the well wishes. It is greatly appreciated. I do believe the weather is calming down some. It has been a rough day for the people in Georgia. Now it going toward the east coast of SC. I pray that everyone in its path will be safe.

The main thing is material things can be replaced. We were actually one of the lucky ones. Many have been severely injured and a gentleman lost his life today.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

No on the tires and yes on the stalking. It was a juror question asking if she thought Jodi was a stalker and she said yes.

Thanks everyone that answered my question.

imo

 

[Linda7NJ]

I refuse to even contemplate the bs the defense is shoveling. Clearly, Travis was a good and decent man. He wasn't perfect, no one is. Religion has nothing to do with it except the fact Jodi used Travis's faith to try and snag Travis.

 

[TigerBalm]

The defendant's high school bff will be on Jane Valez Mitchell after the break.

I hope we hear about when and why she dropped out.

Lets see if its zebra shirt from court or not.

 

[LyndyLoo]

Hey Lyndy!:seeya:

I want her to get death because she deserves death.

I dont want her to socialize in the general population. Sociopaths adapt easily to their environment and do well.

I want her locked down 23 hours out of everyday in a cell all by herself. And when she is allowed out the one hour a day she is watched constantly by a guard.

IMO

LOL Oceanblue..I doubt very much she would be allowed in general pulic..especially just where she would be encarcerated...Im sure in that area..and given her depravity towards a "Good Guy"..She would be at risk..
BUT bottomline I she just forced to live enclosed and unable to manipulate Free people..I dont give a snappolla (gotta remember what site Im on LOL) Anyway..It sure would save the Tax payer supporting her silly appeals :great:

Haa Haaa Nice to see ya :great: Havent been here or awhile :seeya:

 

[seattlechiquita]

So far, I feel the defense has done an alright job of opening the door to the possibility of self-defense. We'll have to see if they have the goods to walk all the way through it. However, a good amount of doubt about TA's character was effectively cast today.

-- Ex-girlfriend Lisa's email was damaging. No matter how the prosecution tries, that bell cannot be "unrung." She read TA the riot act -- and she admittedly didn't even know the half.

-- Desiree's testimony was a problem for the prosecution. TA pulled his car too close to the Grand Canyon for Jodi to get out and take pics? Then he pulled off a bit, as if he'd strand her there? My guy would NEVER play like that. That's MEAN, particularly on the heals of a loud argument.

-- Desiree claimed she couldn't remember TA's exact words once he let JA back in the car. She claimed it was just his tone that was "over the top." I'll bet she remembers the essence of what he said, and I suspect it was a continuation of the mean "drop dead off the edge / get lost" theme.

-- And then comes testimony by Desiree's brother. He had to go upstairs and "diffuse" an obviously loud and embarrassing argument between JA & TA.

Again, the above does NOT a self-defense case make. But depending on what else they have, all of this could be viewed as a down payment.

These testimonies are the "River Cruz" that can cast doubt...

Indeed. I wonder if they even need to prove abuse, or if all they need is one juror with reasonable doubt. Anyone know?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So far, I feel the defense has done an alright job of opening the door to the possibility of self-defense. We'll have to see if they have the goods to walk all the way through it, but doubt about TA's character was effectively cast today.

-- Ex-girlfriend Lisa's email was damaging. No matter how the prosecution tries, that bell cannot be "unrung." She read TA the riot act -- and she admittedly didn't even know the half.

-- Desiree's testimony was a problem for the prosecution. TA pulled his car too close to the Grand Canyon for Jodi to get out and take pics? Then he pulled off a bit, as if he'd strand her there? My guy would NEVER play like that. That's MEAN, particularly on the heals of a loud argument.

-- Desiree claimed she couldn't remember TA's exact words once he let JA back in the car. She claimed his it was just his tone that was "over the top." I'll bet she remembers the essence of what he said, and I suspect it was a continuation of the mean "drop dead off the edge / get lost" theme.

-- And then comes testimony by Desiree's brother. He had to go upstairs and "diffuse" an obviously loud and embarrassing argument between JA & TA.

Again, the above does NOT a self-defense case make. But depending on what else they have, all of this could be viewed as a down payment.

These testimonies are the "River Cruz" that can cast doubt...

I respect your opinion but the defense has had two dismal days and have not proved Travis to be a sexual deviant nor violent. In fact all of these witnesses have been better for the prosecution than for the defense and these are supposedly defense witnesses.

This case is nothing whatsoever like CAs case and Lisa is certainly no River Cruz.

imo

 

[minor4th]

Again, not an attorney, but I'm aware of the "excited utterance' - which i've heard being defined as something said in the heat of a moment without forethought which could then mean an assumption of truth, becuase you have to decide to lie.... I think the other is dying words, but I'm not sure of that. Any attorney?

Dying declarations are exceptions to hearsay, but there are some limitations. Others include: Present sense impressions (e.g., I feel dizzy, I think I'm going to puke); certain business records; documents describing vital statistics and family lineage; statements made for identification purposes; property descriptions, and there are more ....

 

[kkdj]

Thanks for all the well wishes. It is greatly appreciated. I do believe the weather is calming down some. It has been a rough day for the people in Georgia. Now it going toward the east coast of SC. I pray that everyone in its path will be safe.

The main thing is material things can be replaced. We were actually one of the lucky ones. Many have been severely injured and a gentleman lost his life today.

IMO

Glad you're ok. So sorry to hear about the injured and death. It must have been pretty bad out there!

 

[TigerBalm]

IMO, this is the only portion of today that is worth watching .. or re-watching.

Juan's cross of Lisa:
http://youtu.be/a-cry0NyAyQ?t=25m1s

 

[BritsKate]

So far, I feel the defense has done an alright job of opening the door to the possibility of self-defense. We'll have to see if they have the goods to walk all the way through it, but doubt about TA's character was effectively cast today.

-- Ex-girlfriend Lisa's email was damaging. No matter how the prosecution tries, that bell cannot be "unrung." She read TA the riot act -- and she admittedly didn't even know the half.

-- Desiree's testimony was a problem for the prosecution. TA pulled his car too close to the Grand Canyon for Jodi to get out and take pics? Then he pulled off a bit, as if he'd strand her there? My guy would NEVER play like that. That's MEAN, particularly on the heals of a loud argument.

-- Desiree claimed she couldn't remember TA's exact words once he let JA back in the car. She claimed his it was just his tone that was "over the top." I'll bet she remembers the essence of what he said, and I suspect it was a continuation of the mean "drop dead off the edge / get lost" theme.

-- And then comes testimony by Desiree's brother. He had to go upstairs and "diffuse" an obviously loud and embarrassing argument between JA & TA.

Again, the above does NOT a self-defense case make. But depending on what else they have, all of this could be viewed as a down payment.

These testimonies are the "River Cruz" that can cast doubt...

In context and considering the cross and jury questions I could not disagree more. It was more than mitigated if not rendered useless by cross and juror questions.

They asked what she considered cheating. She answered kissing. She at some point stated she came to disbelieve John Hepworth's claims of Travis' infidelity that caused her to write that email within 24 hours. She stated she was not afraid of Travis. She called Jodi a stalker. She clarified she did not feel pressured by Travis. She testified he wouldn't even kiss her at first and she had to initiate physical contact.

I believe Lisa was a fantastic witness...for the prosecution.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I missed the tail end of Lisa's testimony on cross.

Can someone please tell me how it ended?

Was Juan able to bring up Jodi slashing the tires and stalking?

thanks

Hey...I just read up thread that you had some horrible storms. I hope all is okay. What state are you in? Hubby and I had to go to the basement at 4 in the morning this morning because we got some horrible weather too - 70 degrees yesterday to 28 last night.

Sorry to be O/T but was just letting OBE know that I hadn't just scrolled past her weather problems...

 

[LotusPawprint]

The very ones the defense did not ask!

Well of course. The defense spent hours asking all of those irrelevant questions. They didn't have time for important points!

 

[Madeleine74]

I watched the portion I missed today, when the graphic autopsy photo was suddenly displayed by J.M. I understand what he was attempting to do (i.e. shock value and eliciting a strong reaction), but he really should give the family a heads-up when he knows he's going to pull such a thing. I'm fairly certain he knew at least 5 min before he did it, if not longer, so he should have a note ready or at least someone assigned to let the family know in advance so they can arrange to be out of the courtroom or else someone can give them a signal so they can shield their eyes before seeing anything. The family has been caught off-guard a few times. I'd be really angry if I were them, that I wasn't warned ahead of time. I also don't believe any lay witness should be forced to see an autopsy photo and testify/comment on it. It's not appropriate for anyone outside the M.E. to be asked to testify about an autopsy or photo.

As for Jodi's whole demeanor, she didn't react at all the moment that photo was put on the overhead; she started reacting and "crying" into her hair curtain when she heard the sobbing of TA's sisters. She kept the "crying" going for at least 20 min, probably trying to stay in sync with the crying going on in the gallery.

TA's sister, Tanisha, did not leave the courtroom. I watched the whole thing and she stayed in her seat, but doubled-over, with her husband rubbing her shoulders. The other sister did leave the courtroom and possibly 1 or 2 other family members, along with their victim's advocate.

 

[Melanie]

Haha! This is exactly what immediately popped in my mind when reading his testimony saying he found her girly type lotions and stuff.. my mind immediately went to the likelihood of atleast one of those "lotions" being the KY.. I mean hell, even many of us here upon initially seeing the naked photos with the industrial sized KY, many initially thought it to be exactly that...a bottle of lotion...jmo but I find it a very good possibility that not only was there bottle of KY in her pack, but more importantly it is that exact thing(KY) That set her off crying and/or angry about the incident and her KY being possibly found..jmo, tho..

As a side note all of that's not in any way to excuse this guy of taking it upon himself to go thru her pack, period.. the entire fact he did so is just imo wrong and inappropriate on many levels..jmo

It didn't click for me that the lotion(s) might be KY. I was more interested when he said pills. I've wondered if JA was ever on any meds (psychotic type or otherwise). Did she ever seek psychiatric help - because her behaviour certainly wasn't normal by any means (doggie door anyone).

I went through a bad patch when my mom died and immediately sought out help. I know it's not the same as being a slasher/stalker - but IMHO she certainly should have been on some type of mood stabilizer.

Just my opinion.

Mel

 

[jevipo74]

They just replayed the part of Lisa's testimony that Jodi would call all the time when she was with TA like she knew when they were together. So very, very creepy.