The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #18 *ADULT CONTENT*

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  • #361
I'm intrigued by the notion of TA being at gunpoint during the shower photos. The last photo of him sitting in the shower puts his head in the perfect position for JA to shoot him in the head, just above the right eyebrow with the bullet lodging in the cheek.

She even acted out taking the photos during one of the taped interviews with Detective Flores where Jodi showed that she was squatting for some of the photos.

She would want the entire crime scene to be contained within the shower. But things did not go according to her plans.

I can imagine that after the shot (25 caliber cartridge casing ejected to land beneath the closet door), TA fell over to the left in the shower (water still running). Thinking her work was done, she then turned to put the gun in her purse and prepare to leave when he suddenly started struggling to stand within maybe 15 seconds of getting shot.

Travis gets up and stands over the sink, coughing up blood and bleeding from the nose and mouth, dazed and confused, with his ears ringing from the shot.

Jody grabs her knife and rushes to start stabbing at Travis, thinking that it seems so quick and easy in the movies. Travis staggers and turns toward her, grabbing at the blade as she plunges it into his heart.

Warm spurting blood lubricates the knife, cutting the fingers on Jodi's left hand as she continues to repeatedly stab at Travis' moving target torso as he makes an attempt to escape the attack and head towards the bedroom where he might get to the phone and call for help, but Jodi jumps onto his rapidly weakening body. "Why?? You said you love me!! This must be a dream!??"

Together, they both fall to the floor as she pulls up his head and makes a desperate and deep slash across his neck, severing his windpipe, jugular veins and carotid arteries, with the blade stopped only by his spine.

Bleeding out in one final huge gush onto the bedroom carpet, TA finally succumbs and stops moving.

All of this transpired in a mere minute of time. Sixty seconds. Yet it seemed to Jodi to last a lifetime. For Travis, it did.

The camera is bumped in the confusion and the shutter releases and captures the gruesome scene. Could this photo be the work of Travis from the "other side" pointing an accusing finger at his assailant? Could this photo be the work if his God? Jodi's recently discovered God?

In Jodi's panic to recreate her ideal crime scene -- the one she had dreamed of during the long drive from Yreka to Mesa -- she struggles to get Travis' body back into the shower. Her mind is racing as she ignores the myriad of evidence she is leaving everywhere. The shell casing gets accidentally kicked onto a blood pool just beneath the door, where it will sit for another five days, waiting to tell its part in the story.

© 2013 getReal
 
  • #362
And on that note... Heading to bed. I just can't do the gunshot verses stabbed in the heart debate.


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  • #363
PILLS?????

So i had this afternoon's questioning playing in the background and I heard TA's roomie correct himself about contents of JA's bags! Did anyone else catch this?? (around 53:30ish I believe)

http://youtu.be/dNNcqk2ps5Y


lotions, pills....er...lotions, make-up, that sort of thing (PILLS?? WHAT KIND? BIRTH CONTROL? BI-POLAR MEDS??) I'm super curious!!!! If they were vitamins or herbs I doubt he'd say PILLS!!
 
  • #364
Maybe she uses it for storage? I'm sure that could come in handy in jail.


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On that tape of today's trial I noticed a few minutes before the stalking question how JA gets increasingly weepy when Lisa talks about TA wanting to marry her.
Starting about the 23:45 mark and continuing for the next few minutes, after the attorneys are at sidebar, and the juror questions are asked.

It was TigerBalm's link on previous page...

http://youtu.be/Ip7EN8uoD-Q?t=30m27s
 
  • #367
If you saw the uncensored photos of Jodi's distended anus, you may realize that this is the temporary condition immediately after anal sex.
AAAggg!!! I actually fixed the lighting in that picture the best that I could. (a habit that I do for every picture that is such poor quality) After that, it is my opinion that Jodi's condition is not temporary. :puke:

She should seriously consider vaginal rejuvenation as well as reconstruction on her hole #2. That is, IF she gets out. Which she'd better not.

IMO, JMO, MOO
 
  • #368
Who's Deanna Reid?
I found this from earlier....HTH!


Chanler
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Another pre-trial court meeting
http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/082010/m4337154.pdf

This meeting took just half an hour. Jodi and both her lawyers were presenting.Some excerpts, with my speculations in brackets:

LET THE RECORD REFLECT that the Court and counsel confer at the Bench, on the record.
The Court notes that the following motions from the State are pending:
Motion to Preclude Letters Purportedly Written by Travis Alexander;
Motion for Disclosure by Order of the Court of Original Letters Purportedly Written by Travis Alexander; and
State’s oral Motion for Discovery

Discussion is held re: discovery of original letters.
Defense counsel makes an oral request for an ex parte hearing regarding the original
letters.
The State objects to Defense counsel’s request for an ex parte hearing.
[To me, this seems like scuffling. The defense has letters from Travis, almost certainly letters to Jodi, and they want to keep them away from the prosecution for as long as possible. It seems unlikely that we will succeed.]

Discussion is held re: e-mail request from Defense counsel as outlined in the Case
Management Plan filed on 08/03/2010.
Based on the discussions held,
IT IS ORDERED that Defense counsel shall file a Notice of Request for Discovery
regarding the exact e-mail accounts and specific date range.
[More scuffling: The defense wants access to relevant email accounts, but the judge wants them to specify which accounts and when.]

IT IS ORDERED setting the next Capital Case Management Conference re: Defendant’s
request for ex parte hearing on August 11, 2010 at 8:30 a.m. in this division. [Which is today!]
At the request of the State,
IT IS ORDERED vacating Evidentiary Hearing re: Motion to Preclude set on September 14, 2010.
Defense counsel makes an oral motion that witness, Deanna Reid, submit to a deposition.
Discussion is held.
IT IS ORDERED that the witness, Deanna Reid, submit to a deposition. Defense counsel shall be responsible for the cost of the witness’ travel arrangements. Defense counsel shall lodge an order with the Court with the exact date and time for the deposition.
[Travis' very good and longtime friend Deanna Reid was expecting a visit from Travis at the time of his death. She delivered a moving eulogy for him at his memorial. The defense needs to see if it can extract anything advantageous from her memories of Travis' behavior, perhaps some instance of physical confrontation or strong-arming to justify their evolving theory that Jodi slaughtered him in self-defense. I expect that Ms. Reid will be one feisty hostile witness for such questions.]
 
  • #369
That's right. I think Deanna Reid is the one who Travis left Napoleon to in his will
 
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  • #371
This is not "🤬🤬🤬🤬 bashing".

Jodi is more than a "loose woman". She is a predatory psychopath. Psychopaths choose their victims. They study the available prey before choosing which one to attack.

Jodi studied Travis and determined that he was psychologically vulnerable and then she went after him. Even though Travis knew that Jodi was responsible for slashing his tires twice with a knife, he was unable to assess that she could also slash him. This is why Jodi chose Travis to be her next victim/boyfriend over the other successful men with money that she knew.

Travis' testosterone level and lack of impulse control allowed Jodi into his life, but his psychological inability to sense Jodi's evilness, cost him his life.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/extreme-fear/201010/how-psychopaths-choose-their-victims
http://aftermath-surviving-psychopathy.org/index.php/2011/12/09/frequently-asked-questions/

Pensfan
verified psychiatric mental health nurse
I love you! To recount my experiences just to help others to understand I met my disordered ex when I was 20 - he was 33. I was young, idealistic, and very much a romantic. I believed in split aparts and serendipity.

At the end of our first date he asked me if I believed in fate, in soul mates, in love at first sight? I have replayed that date thousands of times in my head and realize he'd been studying me the entire time. I'd given him plenty of clues for him to find a hook and even though I owned my own copy of the DSM and had studied psychopathic serial killers for years already I did not see a single red flag. (Much to my chagrin he was diagnosed with comorbid PD a decade after I met him. I beat myself up for years for not having seen the signs I should have been familiar with.)

The more psychopaths learn about their prey the more power they gain. Over the years anything I did that was perceived as a sin would be retooled as a weapon. Even more destructively anything I held dear would be used as ammunition - I had been incredibly close to my mother. She was my best friend. A near constant threat was that he would expose my 'sins' to her. After she passed away my ex would say things like 'You're mother would be so disappointed if she could see how you really are.' He even stole my mother's wedding ring from the biomedical bag the hospital had returned her belongings in.

I will never be able to stress enough that a psychopath is evil personified. They destroy and defile everything around them. Everything.
 
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I found some info on sociopaths and sex that I wanted to share. This is in response to the accusations that we view Jodi as a 🤬🤬🤬🤬 and Travis as incapable of controlling himself, due to their genders. Again, I do not believe jodi is a 🤬🤬🤬🤬. But I agree with human that I find her to be a temptress.

See, I don't think she really enjoys sex as some have stated. Again, I think it's just a tool that sociopaths of either sex use to seduce people:

15. Sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated.
Invariably there are peculiarities in the sociopath's sex life. As in other areas, it only takes the slightest impulse for them to engage in deviant sexual behavior. There is little repugnance or other inhibitions to stop them from trying out different things.

Remember that they cannot love, so sexual aims don't seem to include any important personality relations or any great desire to share an intimate experience. Sex is limited to literal physical contact with none of the emotional aspects that make adult love relations so thrilling and indescribable.

One of the sociopath traits in the group Hervey Cleckley's studied was that they never seemed to find anything emotionally meaningful or personal in the relationships, there were simply localized and temporary sensations.

He believes their sexual promiscuity is probably due to a lack of self restraint rather than to any strong passions or drives.

It's very likely nowadays that many psychopaths have realized intimate sexual contact is a great way to control others. Once a person has given up their intimacy, they have surrendered everything.

http://www.decision-making-confidence.com/sociopath-traits.html
 
  • #374
At the risk of TMI my ex hated sex and especially hated any form of intimacy to include kissing and even hand holding unless he sensed my hesitation to continue our relationship. Then he'd morph into Prince Charming/Casanova again.

Even with our children, as babies and toddlers, any holding or cuddling had to be initiated by him and only on his terms - very often when an audience was present. JMO
 
  • #375
I'm still not convinced that Jodi is a true psychopath.
And again I'm not defending her in no way ,shape or form,there is no excuse and no defense to what she did.It's just that almost every case I read here the killer is almost immedeately labeled psychopath,soulless.monster.......
I believe that many times they are people like you and me,that were driven by circumstances and snapped,which IMO is a much more frightening thought than a soulless monster committed this crime.
From all we heard (aside from the incident with her brother,when she was little and I don't count that because I find it pretty normal kid behaviour) Jodi was not violent,she was the "good" kid in school,she had normal relationships with guys seemingly before she met Travis.
I completly believe they were toxic for each other.In my world premarital sex is normal but in Travis' it was this horrible sin and I think that was the catalyst for all things bad to come.Jodi was having sex with Travis like IMO a normal couple would but he put her on a huge guilt trip about it ,meanwhile seeing other girls that Jodi prbably thought he was having sex with also.I think her e-mail to Lisa is so telling because that's how she must have felt about herself.We know how important her reputation is to her because she even brought it up during the police interview.The only way for her to be ok again would have been if Travis married her.But he didn't care and put her down on top of that.
So she became more and more obsessed to the point of no way out,to the point of completely loosing it and seeing no other solution than to eliminate what was causing her pain.
Again I wished she would have gotten help because she must have realized her thoughts were spinning out of control but she did not....
 
  • #376
I'm still not convinced that Jodi is a true psychopath.And again I'm not defending her in no way ,shape or form,there is no excuse and no defense to what she did.It's just that almost every case I read here the killer is almost immedeately labeled psychopath,soulless.monster.......
I believe that many times they are people like you and me,that were driven by circumstances and snapped,which IMO is a much more frightening thought than a soulless monster committed this crime.
From all we heard (aside from the incident with her brother,when she was little and I don't count that because I find it pretty normal kid behaviour) Jodi was not violent,she was the "good" kid in school,she had normal relationships with guys seemingly before she met Travis.
I completly believe they were toxic for each other.In my world premarital sex is normal but in Travis' it was this horrible sin and I think that was the catalyst for all things bad to come.Jodi was having sex with Travis like IMO a normal couple would but he put her on a huge guilt trip about it ,meanwhile seeing other girls that Jodi prbably thought he was having sex with also.I think her e-mail to Lisa is so telling because that's how she must have felt about herself.We know how important her reputation is to her because she even brought it up during the police interview.The only way for her to be ok again would have been if Travis married her.But he didn't care and put her down on top of that.
So she became more and more obsessed to the point of no way out,to the point of completely loosing it and seeing no other solution than to eliminate what was causing her pain.
Again I wished she would have gotten help because she must have realized her thoughts were spinning out of control but she did not....

BBM: That's why I have been suggesting BPD. I wonder if we'll hear if JA was a "cutter" or tried to attempt suicide at all? (main symptomology of BPD).

.....Deviance can be hard to define...:what:
 
  • #377
I really don't think so either because in that case she could have killed herself instead of Travis or she could have attempted a murder-suicide?
She didn't seem to be depressed ever before either?
 
  • #378
I totally respect Pensfan and LindaNJ for their views that JA was a Psychopath/Psychopathy. And I'm not saying I disagree with them. From my observations here and in other threads, Pensfan offers a lot here based on her knowledge and credibility.

But I do "see" something else (other than a Psychopath) there too with JA........???

I can't put my finger on it.

Perhaps it's Multiple Personality Disorder, Dissonance, Splitting, BPD, Bi-Polar......???

Of course, people can have many comorbid disorders and that is where I'm drawn to whenever I watch the JA interview tapes with Detective Flores.
 
  • #379
I really don't think so either because in that case she could have killed herself instead of Travis or she could have attempted a murder-suicide?
She didn't seem to be depressed ever before either?

That is one of the reasons that I think she is a psychopath. Because she didn't kill herself afterwards. Psychopaths rarely do. JMO
 
  • #380
I'm still not convinced that Jodi is a true psychopath.
And again I'm not defending her in no way ,shape or form,there is no excuse and no defense to what she did.It's just that almost every case I read here the killer is almost immedeately labeled psychopath,soulless.monster.......
I believe that many times they are people like you and me,that were driven by circumstances and snapped,which IMO is a much more frightening thought than a soulless monster committed this crime.
From all we heard (aside from the incident with her brother,when she was little and I don't count that because I find it pretty normal kid behaviour) Jodi was not violent,she was the "good" kid in school,she had normal relationships with guys seemingly before she met Travis.
I completly believe they were toxic for each other.In my world premarital sex is normal but in Travis' it was this horrible sin and I think that was the catalyst for all things bad to come.Jodi was having sex with Travis like IMO a normal couple would but he put her on a huge guilt trip about it ,meanwhile seeing other girls that Jodi prbably thought he was having sex with also.I think her e-mail to Lisa is so telling because that's how she must have felt about herself.We know how important her reputation is to her because she even brought it up during the police interview.The only way for her to be ok again would have been if Travis married her.But he didn't care and put her down on top of that.
So she became more and more obsessed to the point of no way out,to the point of completely loosing it and seeing no other solution than to eliminate what was causing her pain.
Again I wished she would have gotten help because she must have realized her thoughts were spinning out of control but she did not....

BBM

But she didn't just 'snap.' She stole the gun weeks earlier, and did a lot of preplanning. No snapping, imo.

She did not realize she was spinning out of control, imo. In fact, she probably thought she was finally in complete control of the situation. JMO
 
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