The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #19 *ADULT CONTENT*

[Tulessa]

Another school shooting in Georgia.

Nothing comes up on google...

 

[Sleuth13]

Hi, Wishbone. We don't know in what tone "three-hole wonder" was delivered or, in fact, who said it first. And Jodi might not have taken it as an insult. After all, they did apparently have repeated sex romps and take nude pictures of one another; something I have never even thought of doing with any girlfriend. Jodi was hot to trot and I suspect that whatever his second thoughts, Travis was experiencing his first full discovery of erotic adventure.

....Unfortunately, it helped get him killed.

For all we know it was a pet-name she coined herself, FOR HERSELF!!! Maybe he was being snarky saying it back to her! Yeah, I like that scenario!!

 

[LinasK]

Boy, I'll bet Jose Baez isn't too happy that he's no longer the #1 Hispanic Laywer!!! Juan Martinez has clearly erased that! People will say, "Jose who???"

 

[passionflower]

O/T Atlanta school 2 shot.....teacher and 14 yr old.

 

[LinasK]

Nothing comes up on google...

check HLN news now

 

[magpie]

That cracks me up every time I read it! That's exactly how NG says it! :floorlaugh:

(yes, I'm new here, so while it may be old hat to the long timers, I find it absolutely hilarious and a nice touch of levity in these threads...:blushing

Welcome to our home away from home effervescent! I like a person with a good sense of humour.

:seeya:

 

[TigerBalm]

Nothing comes up on google...

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/01/atlanta-school-shooting-student-shot-inside-price-middle-school-84699.html

 

[m00c0w]

Nothing comes up on google...

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/275118/8/14-year-old-shot-at-Price-Middle-School-

 

[SkiptomyLu]

I can see jodi very clearly today

Hey Katie Do you see TA's Sister Allie there? I have not seen her in any of the camera shots of the family.

 

[minor4th]

So, it was to influence the emotions of the jury. If it was already in evidence, they have a chance to review it whenever they want. It was a stunt by the prosecution to elicit an emotional response. That's all it was.

In a way, you can look at everything the attorneys do as "stunts" -- it's all calculated to make a particular point and to be persuasive. Juan's presentation of the graphic autopsy photo at that time was brilliant timing and an appropriate infusion of reality in what had become a largely irrelevant discussion about Travis' minor flaws.

 

[LotusPawprint]

Why do they need a stay? and what does that mean? Didnt they have years to prepare.

I knew those juror questions scared them. :floorlaugh:

They don't NEED a stay, they're just looking for new and exciting reasons to put off the inevitable.
But really, what happened was in order for this to become a capital (DP) case the first Judge had to qualify the crime as "cruel, heineous, or (depraved- I think is the third?)" That Judge ruled it was cruel making it a DP case in part because of the reported order of the inflicted blows.

Then during trial the defense claimed the ME and Det. Flores switched the order (stabbings first, gunshot last) so the murder was no longer "Cruel" and the DP should be dropped. The Judge denied the motion at the time but apparently the defense had filed this Stay trying to get the preceedings halted until they could get this issue resolved. But it's been dropped and Death is still available.

Someone please correct my inaccuracies, I'm getting sleepy. I have a Nurmi hangover.

 

[Mormon Attorney]

Meaning no disrespect Mormon Atty but I think you skirted the question . . . . Women can hold "leadership positions" like being the president of the Relief Society (the Women's group) or a "Primary Teacher" (pre-school sunday school teacher) but they do NOT HOLD PRIESTHOOD!!!! Women cannot attain the Celestial Kingdom without a Man's coat tails to hang onto! The LDS religion is a very Patriarichal religion and always has been . . . they have made some major changes over the years to comply with "Man's Laws" (ie: getting rid of polygamy/polygeny; allowing Men of Color to hold Priesthood"; no longer referring to people of Color carrying the "Mark of Cain or the Mark of the Beast"; attempting to be more open to people who Smoke/Drink, etc . . .) but the basic tenants of the original church are still overriding . . . .In my experience growing up in the Mormon religion.

The "semantics" used by the LDS people (again in my experience) are often a way out of answering direct questions and that is why I believe that TA used semantics to convince himself that anal and oral sex was okay but vaginal sex was a sin.

I am not trying to bash the LDS faith here - just to note some of the questions that have been brought up and tell others about my experience.

I understand what you are saying and you obviously see it differently than I do, which is fine. For everyone else's benefit, I will address my view of what you said, understanding it is my view and appreciating your own as well.

The men do hold the priesthood. That is different than in other faiths. In other faiths, that would imply that all the men are the leaders of the congregation. At 12 years old, a young man can be eligible to hold the priesthood. In priesthood, they are taught to serve. As they get older, they can baptize and giving blessings and help others. Women do not baptize in our faith and they do not give blessings. So, when I am very sick, I can ask my husband if he will give me a blessing. Much like a special prayer for me. It has been a great benefit for me in my life not only when sick, but also when concerned or worried. Sometimes before a big case, I will ask him for a blessing to help clear my mind. Last week, I was very sick with Influenza A and he gave me a blessing of comfort.

On the other hand, when my husband is sick, I cannot give him blessings. Priesthood is the role of the man in the church. It is service. My husband cannot give himself a blessing or obviously, baptize himself. But, he can do those things for me and my children. I can, of course, pray for my husband, but, if he wants a blessing, he needs to go ask for that service from another priesthood holder.

Similarly, in our faith, we regard motherhood as the highest calling. Not that a woman is burdened with the duty to have kids, but that mothers who sacrifice their time, bodies, and talents to be mothers should be revered. Granted, not all men do this the way they should. But, in our home, my children are taught that my calling as a mother is divine. It is given only to women.

Comparing the two, women are naturally made mothers by God (generally speaking). In our faith, the priesthood arm of the church is to give men a like service mentality to be giving for others. It is not ever to be used to gain advantage or power over someone else. Although, I will sadly admit some men (just like in the rest of the world) do not honor their priesthood as they should. I am grateful to be married to a man who sees his priesthood as service for our family and others.

It is true that the priesthood leads meetings and that priesthood members can be bishops, etc. For instance, right now, my husband is serving as stake president in our area. A bishop is over one ward (or about 300-400 people) and then six (give or take) wards make a stake. My husband is over the stake of about six wards. Our boundaries (things are done by geological boundaries) are about four hours across, both ways. Our clergy are not paid. They hold regular full time jobs. So, as priesthood holder and stake president, my husband travels over 4000 miles per year to go visit and serve the various wards. The money comes from his own pocket, his own car, his own time. He is not paid at all. He spends his Sundays from pre-dawn until dark, visiting congregations, serving families, and administering the church needs. Then, he attends phone meetings per week. We always joke in our house that anyone who seeks to be the bishop or stake president doesn't know what its like.

So as a "stake president" widow who often doesn't see her husband due to his service for others, I never see it as a patriarchal thing or male dominated thing for a man to hold the priesthood. In motherhood, I naturally serve. My husband, through the priesthood, has been taught to serve others - none for his own benefit. Far as I can tell, the only benefit (besides blessings) is that he gets to sit on the stand during meetings (up front) where there are cushier chairs than on the pew benches.

And, just to add to my perspective, alot of my friends wish they had a husband who would go serve or get out of the work life and care about family and faith. In our faith, the priesthood encourages a man to do just that. For me, that has been a HUGE blessing in training my sons to be good marriage partners that way.

So, in the end, this is likely more than anyone cares to know. I just share it because I was not skirting the issue in my mind. I truly see the priesthood as God's way of making men as service oriented and loving as women (if I can be so bold - grin!). And, I am grateful for it. I have never seen a man bless himself with it.

Having said that, I don't seek to denigrate, in any way, the other poster. Her experience is obviously different than mine. I would explain the difference in that men in the church are expected to be what I described, but, unfortunately, as in all things, there are some who do not live up to that and see any leadership as an opportunity - not to serve - but to dominate. That is not what it is intended for.

 

[Anita Richman]

Hey Katie Do you see TA's Sister Allie there? I have not seen her in any of the camera shots of the family.

Katie has left the building.
However, she said that she'd post again, tonight! I can't wait to get her impressions from today. :great:

 

[lonetraveler]

Nothing comes up on google...

WSVN TV, Atlanta. Got it on twitter and saw that teacher and 14 yr. old student hurt. I'll look for more.

 

[Coldpizza]

Honestly are people going nuts with all these shootings? WTtruck?

 

[spcagrl]

Please, what is a STAY?

I did not hear that the request for a stay is denied, I heard this was about the request for a mistrial was denied and that led to this filing to request a stay in the trial, to take the DP off the table because they think the judge was wrong to deny the mistrial based on the conflicting testimony between the sequence of events related by Det. Flores and Dr Horn. But maybe I heard it wrong.

 

[TigerBalm]

On HLN Vinnie asks his guests to describe in one word, Martinez showing the photo of Travis in court yesterday

Jane: interception
Ryan: foolish
Jean: selfish

:great: Go Jane!!!

 

[m00c0w]

WSVN TV, Atlanta. Got it on twitter and saw that teacher and 14 yr. old student hurt. I'll look for more.

14 year old student is at Grady Memorial right now. The student (it has not been said whether they're male or female) was allegedly shot in the upper back/neck region. The student is awake and responsive. School is dismissing at the normal time. The suspect is in custody. A teacher is also being treated for minor injuries related to being "trampled" in the frenzy.

I'm about 5 miles from this school.

 

[LotusPawprint]

:blowkiss: I know you better than that my dear. Just bouncing off your post. Her abuse excuse makes me a little ullhair: at times.

I want my smileys to work!!


A few fellow posters mentioned they were having trouble with their "extended smileys" too.... my WS personality is being stiffled without them!

 

[zoey]

Anyone?
Is this the same place Vicki of RHOA would go and party all the time??

you watch that show too???????:fence: