January 31
Defence Case-in-chief
Day 3
DANIEL FREEMAN, JANUARY 31, PART 2
--Daniel began to hang out with Jodi without Travis. It was when he was living back at home with his parents, his brother and one of his sisters. Jodi also had relationships with the other members of the family. She came by for dinner and helped a foster sister with her photography homework.
--Daniel discussed spirituality with Jodi.
--Daniel does not have any reason to believe that Jodi's conversion wasn't genuine.
--Daniel did not have a romantic interest in Jodi. To him she became a sister in his family.
--After Jodi moved to California they would talk on occasion they would talk when she came into town. Sometimes Jodi would stop by the house.
--Daniel contacted Jodi after Travis was murdered.
--One of Daniel's friend's went to the house and told him and he called Jodi.
--When Daniel spoke to her over the phone he didn't know what to say, he told her that Travis had been found, the other end was silent, Jodi became emotional and started to cry on the phone, after two minutes he hung up so she could be with herself.
CROSS EXAMINATION
--re: spirituality/baptism. Daniel wasn't present so he wouldn't know her motivation to be baptised. One of the things people give up is sex and Daniel didn't know that Jodi was having oral sex at the time of her baptism.
--Hyatt called Jodi around 2300 hours the night Travis was found. Daniel told her that "Travis was gone" and then there was a moment of silence and then Jodi started to cry and mumble "oh my goodness". Jodi sounded disbelieving. Jodi did not confide that she had killed Travis. Daniel gave Jodi the opportunity on the phone to talk but she did not say she killed Travis.
--re: Travis having a talk with Jodi. Travis said that he was going to have the talk with her about breaking up.
--re: Trip to Havisupi, did not start very well. Daniel looked in the backpack that was full of Jodi's things. He went through the backpack and started taking things out. Travis was present and so was sister Freeman. Daniel went through the backpack to lighten the load. Jodi came down from upstairs and saw the items that had been taken out and she got upset. No other reason for Jodi to be upset other than the backpack items. The items taken out were lotion, makeup, hand sanitizer, hair things, 10-15 lbs of different things. Travis made a sarcastic comment, then Jodi said something back, became emotional and she went upstairs and then Travis went upstairs. Daniel could hear them talking and then he went upstairs after about twenty minutes. Neither of them were happy. This all started because Daniel had went through the backpack. They then all went on their trip. Travis was driving, Jodi was in the passenger seat. After some time the tension in the car faded.
--re: photos in Havisupi or Grand Canyon, Daniel remebers "a squawk" that had something to do with taking pictures.
--re: Havisupi trip. Everybody had a hammok and a sleeping bag. The first day when they went to go swimming in the waterfall, Travis and Jodi were talking and Daniel could tell that they were having a disagreement. Daniel and his sister took off and swam somewhere else.
--Travis put the trip to Havisupi together. Daniel didn't have anybody to go with so he asked his sister to go. Travis didn't want to be alone with Jodi on the trip. Travis liked it when Daniel or his sister was there because it wasn't as physical. Martinez is reminding Daniel about earlier converstations years ago where Daniel said that Travis asked him to be there in a chaperone role.
--Travis is 5'8" and Daniel is 6'2". Travis was fit, always working out. Jodi is slightly taller than Travis.
REDIRECT
--re: being a "chaperone" on the trip. How does the church view two people who aren't married travelling together? Officially it's frowned upon but as long as they aren't sleeping in the same room it is okay. If there are other people there it wouldn't be suspicious.
--Jodi did not force her way onto this trip
--re: Travis being fit, he would run every day. He would life weights. Doesn't recall Travis having a punching bag. Daniel saw Travis strike a punching bag or something like a punching bag. Travis has a powerful punch.
--re: Jodi being worthy of being baptised if she were performing oral sex on Travis. Somebody in the position of being an elder would not lose their status of an elder in the church they would go to a disciplinary council who would decide if they would be kicked out of the church or they would be given a probationary period. Probation means they cannot give prayers or take the sacrement. Sanctions can include excommunication.
--re: knowing if Jodi and Travis were boyfriend/girlfriend. Daniel heard from people that Jodi was stalking Travis but he never thought it. Jodi would talk to Daniel's mother about their relationship.
--Daniel's impression was that Jodi loved Travis. Martinez objects.
--Daniel spent a lot of time with Jodi and Travis. She was confused about her relationship with Travis. The defence is trying to get an answer from Daniel that Jodi loved Travis.
JURY QUESTIONS
1) What is UFC fight night?
answer: Ultimate fighting championship on TV. Travis had a projector with a big screen, big get together, people would bring potluck food.
2) The arguements that Jodi and Travis had were they different than any other couples'?
answer: I didn't think so
3) Were these normal arguements a couple would have?
answer: yes
4) Did you ever see Travis hit Jodi?
Answer: no
5) Were there others not included in both groups (of friends)?
Answer: my sister on occasion and Aaron, one of Travis' roommates
6) Did you ever hear Travis call Jodi names?
answer: no
7) Did you ever see Travis physically harm Jodi?
answer: no
Nurmi goes on to ask Daniel what goes on in UFC fights? Are they olympic wrestling type fights?
Answer: Mixed martial arts, boxing, muay thai
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