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Wouldn't this have been reviewed and ruled upon before???
The State v. Jodi Arias: break in trial until 28 January 2013 #19 *ADULT CONTENT*
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Wouldn't this have been reviewed and ruled upon before???
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Maybe it's on vinyl. The judge had to go on e-bay to find a Victrola.
Anyone besides me think it may be an intenional ploy aka the FCA trial, Delay tactics, bore the jurors so they lose interest and just want it to be over with? It worked for FCA, i'm sure JA thinks she's just as smart as her 'should be' BFF FCA. They could be BOSOM BUDDIES :floorlaugh: and travel in the RV together all over the country selling PPL.
nope....wouldn't even eat any fish for a while there since they could be the food source-----But since then she has decided she likes the fish!!!!
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Someone mentioned that there may be some truth weaved into the tale of the two ninjas. That got me to thinking, remember JA said that she heard Travis saying that he couldn't feel his legs.
I know NOTHING about the human brain other than we need it
. Can someone with better medical knowledge than me tell me if the part of the brain he was shot effect the use of his legs?
I know NOTHING about the human brain other than we need it
. Can someone with better medical knowledge than me tell me if the part of the brain he was shot effect the use of his legs?
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Somebody run outside and check and see if the courtroom windows are fogged up.
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Fair enough, but then why are evidenciary hearings public?
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Best of the bunch, IMO. Although I still miss Fred Graham.
The "semantics" used by the LDS people (again in my experience) are often a way out of answering direct questions and that is why I believe that TA used semantics to convince himself that anal and oral sex was okay but vaginal sex was a sin
The Mormon religion puts very rigid constraints on males and how they deal with their sexuality.
Indeed a strict reading of Mormon prescribed chastity means there is NO acceptable sexual outlet for an orthodox Male Mormon short of wet dreams. The male may NOT masturbate with or without visual aids. Making out with a woman to the point of spontaneous ejaculation would be frowned upon. This later case may be excusable when confessed to the Bishop but the male ejaculator would be told to avoid temptations AND given the admonition go ye therefore and sin no more.
The Temple going Mormon male returned missionary or not must live a more rigid code.
Coitus, cunnilingus, fellatio, and sodomy are strictly prohibited and might be so even in marriage. The ancillary use of sex aids like dildos would also violate Mormon Sexual Ethics.
The obedient male Mormon of age 21 or so and older is put into an intolerable dilemma. This is why all 21 obedient male Mormons are encouraged to marry so that they may then indulge their sexual desires by way of coitus and maybe mutual masturbation. Otherwise, the Male single Mormon especially 27 years and older often cannot plausibly claim that they have never ejaculated other than in wet dreams or by accidental premature ejaculation during making out.
Mormon doctrine is and always has been crystal clear about chastity and acceptable male sexual conduct. (The irony to this fact, of course, is of early Male founders such as Joseph Smith, Brigham Young , and the other insider Brothernwho practiced unrestricted adultery and even pedophilia in the name of polygamy pretty much like Asiatic Moghuls and suzerains with wide access to women.) Typically Mormon males manage restraint by way of oversight and interrogation and this surveillance is set into place when Males seek their Temple recommends. The scope of inquiry into the sex lives of the Mormon supplicant depends on the mindset ( some would say perversions) of the inquiring Bishop or Stake President. The Bishop will address chastity and then probably go into the topic of masturbation. Bishops will want to know circumstances and frequency. Intermittent masturbation may not bar the Mormon male who wishes to game the system. Here the 30 year old single male may admit to slips of inadvertent masturbation and then declare contrition and the desire to exercise repentance. The Bishop might wait a month or so before the Mormon masturbator can gain entry into the Temple. It is likely that many single male Mormons simply lie about masturbation and the Bishop in turn winks at him and says very good, my son.
This way the single Male suffers from tinges of guilt about both lying and masturbating and HOPES to reach his end goal matrimony, so that he is no longer placed into this dual source of inevitable sin.
It must be a frustrating existence for the single Male Mormon playing out a normal life where he battles against too much premature ejaculation while dating, or masturbating at night after the date then going to sleep a little bit guilty. In addition the Mormon male social animal who dates will have to answer as to his physical conduct on dates. Kissing is OK. Light petting is discouraged but forgivable. Light petting is merely rubbing the female breasts and female perineum/vagina with hands outside of clothes. The next graver infraction is heavy petting. Here the intrepid male single Mormon seeks to slither his hands inside the blouse and underneath the bra in order to message bare breasts and erect nipples. This act in many instances will trigger premature ejaculation to continent single male Mormon elders. The slippery slope is entered upon once the male hand glides beneath the clothes and inside the female companions panties at which point the feel of a moist introitus may incite premature ejaculation. It is of course expected that the faithful female will ward off these unwanted sleights of hand and keep the elder honest. If the female allows digital vaginal sex, the Bishop must adjudicate the blame between the female temptress and the male aggressor. Both are exhorted to repent.
In NO CASE are coitus, oral or anal sexual intercourse, mutual masturbation countenanced in the Mormon Church as practiced by worthy single Male Mormon elders ( or single High Priests etc)
To the case of Travis Alexander
I assume TA was a good practicing Mormon. I assume but I am not sure if he was an elder who had received Temple endowments. If this were the case his activity with JA would have led to a tribunal and firm rebuke from his Bishop and or Stake President. TA as punishment- assuming he was not excommunicated - would be instructed to practice strict chastity for at least 12 months. This provision would mean no heavy or light petting, no sexual intercourse and a warning about masturbation. If Travis were merely a Priest and having received NO temple endowments, his infractions would be substantially less severe but nonetheless deserving of confession.
TA engaged in recurrent regular oral vaginal and anal intercourse. TA apparently used sex aids with JA which means she would have been in possession of all kinds of dildos.
It must be mentioned at this juncture that given the sex photos of JA where her vagina, introitus , and anus were photographed and shown to be - hmmmmm gapping wide open makes one wonder if she was not acting concurrently as
queen. JAs anus and vagina must have been entered and instrumented a great deal with instruments or penises constituted with an appreciable amount of girth. In other words JA was very experienced with all manner of sexual activity and had been penetrated a great deal with or without TA s aid.
It stands to reason then that JA was indeed the sex kitten for TA who just months before was dating a naïve blond waif who was fearful of an erect penis. I suspect that JA introduced TA to sexual variation. However it is just as likely that TA had seen his share of internet or video and fully understood the strategy of oral sex, anal sex, vaginal sex, and dildo use.
In this regard both TA and JA were keeping the dirty little secret very much as a partnership. Most single non Mormon males have done all of this sexual activity many times with willing partners with or without condoms and without any hint of compunction. This activity in this age of ubiquitous internet renders this sort of sexual behavior humdrum and even banal. This was NOT the case 50 years ago.
TA had good reason to be conflicted since his sexual indulgences would have put him on a collision course with the Ward Bishop. If TA had been completely honest in a Bishops interview TA would have been instructed 1) to cease and desist from such grave sexual misconduct 2) confess the scope of the sins 3) exercise contrition 4) solemnly promise NOT to repeat this sexual behavior and 5) report back progress every 3-6 months surveillance time for a 30 year old Mormon male Priest might be less than the guilty elder. TA would have told to hasten his search for a wife so that he could engage in sexual intercourse without violating Gods laws.
That TA would engage in grade sex on a Tuesday with JA and then take a Mormon girl to Cancun on a fun filled excursion is a violation of trust or of conscience. In Mormon eyes TA was really a hound dog. In fact if TA had really subscribed to Mormon doctrines he would be humiliated and highly repentant of this decidedly Non-Mormon behavior. TAs behavior using his Mormon doctrines as the judge was truly shameful if not reprehensible. But also NOT deserving of physical punishment and certainly NOT death. The shame is of a religious ethical character.
Good Mormon single men should NOT be traveling alone with good single Mormon women. Perhaps business trips would be permissible. They are taught to avoid even the appearance of evil. And if he did travel together they would each have separate hotel rooms.
It is doubtful if TA was a devout Mormon because being so would NOT have permitted him to have casual regular sex with JA. TA was a typical horny white single male on the make which would be fine and normal if he did not PRETEND TO BE A GOOD MORMON. TA was NOT a good Mormon boy PERIOD.
His claim to be a virgin at 30 or before JA is suspect. If TA managed to avoid oral anal digital sex having reached the age of 30 would have put him in line for The Lifetime Draconian Monk Award. It is possible but not likely.
The Mormon religion puts very rigid constraints on males and how they deal with their sexuality.
Indeed a strict reading of Mormon prescribed chastity means there is NO acceptable sexual outlet for an orthodox Male Mormon short of wet dreams. The male may NOT masturbate with or without visual aids. Making out with a woman to the point of spontaneous ejaculation would be frowned upon. This later case may be excusable when confessed to the Bishop but the male ejaculator would be told to avoid temptations AND given the admonition go ye therefore and sin no more.
The Temple going Mormon male returned missionary or not must live a more rigid code.
Coitus, cunnilingus, fellatio, and sodomy are strictly prohibited and might be so even in marriage. The ancillary use of sex aids like dildos would also violate Mormon Sexual Ethics.
The obedient male Mormon of age 21 or so and older is put into an intolerable dilemma. This is why all 21 obedient male Mormons are encouraged to marry so that they may then indulge their sexual desires by way of coitus and maybe mutual masturbation. Otherwise, the Male single Mormon especially 27 years and older often cannot plausibly claim that they have never ejaculated other than in wet dreams or by accidental premature ejaculation during making out.
Mormon doctrine is and always has been crystal clear about chastity and acceptable male sexual conduct. (The irony to this fact, of course, is of early Male founders such as Joseph Smith, Brigham Young , and the other insider Brothernwho practiced unrestricted adultery and even pedophilia in the name of polygamy pretty much like Asiatic Moghuls and suzerains with wide access to women.) Typically Mormon males manage restraint by way of oversight and interrogation and this surveillance is set into place when Males seek their Temple recommends. The scope of inquiry into the sex lives of the Mormon supplicant depends on the mindset ( some would say perversions) of the inquiring Bishop or Stake President. The Bishop will address chastity and then probably go into the topic of masturbation. Bishops will want to know circumstances and frequency. Intermittent masturbation may not bar the Mormon male who wishes to game the system. Here the 30 year old single male may admit to slips of inadvertent masturbation and then declare contrition and the desire to exercise repentance. The Bishop might wait a month or so before the Mormon masturbator can gain entry into the Temple. It is likely that many single male Mormons simply lie about masturbation and the Bishop in turn winks at him and says very good, my son.
This way the single Male suffers from tinges of guilt about both lying and masturbating and HOPES to reach his end goal matrimony, so that he is no longer placed into this dual source of inevitable sin.
It must be a frustrating existence for the single Male Mormon playing out a normal life where he battles against too much premature ejaculation while dating, or masturbating at night after the date then going to sleep a little bit guilty. In addition the Mormon male social animal who dates will have to answer as to his physical conduct on dates. Kissing is OK. Light petting is discouraged but forgivable. Light petting is merely rubbing the female breasts and female perineum/vagina with hands outside of clothes. The next graver infraction is heavy petting. Here the intrepid male single Mormon seeks to slither his hands inside the blouse and underneath the bra in order to message bare breasts and erect nipples. This act in many instances will trigger premature ejaculation to continent single male Mormon elders. The slippery slope is entered upon once the male hand glides beneath the clothes and inside the female companions panties at which point the feel of a moist introitus may incite premature ejaculation. It is of course expected that the faithful female will ward off these unwanted sleights of hand and keep the elder honest. If the female allows digital vaginal sex, the Bishop must adjudicate the blame between the female temptress and the male aggressor. Both are exhorted to repent.
In NO CASE are coitus, oral or anal sexual intercourse, mutual masturbation countenanced in the Mormon Church as practiced by worthy single Male Mormon elders ( or single High Priests etc)
To the case of Travis Alexander
I assume TA was a good practicing Mormon. I assume but I am not sure if he was an elder who had received Temple endowments. If this were the case his activity with JA would have led to a tribunal and firm rebuke from his Bishop and or Stake President. TA as punishment- assuming he was not excommunicated - would be instructed to practice strict chastity for at least 12 months. This provision would mean no heavy or light petting, no sexual intercourse and a warning about masturbation. If Travis were merely a Priest and having received NO temple endowments, his infractions would be substantially less severe but nonetheless deserving of confession.
TA engaged in recurrent regular oral vaginal and anal intercourse. TA apparently used sex aids with JA which means she would have been in possession of all kinds of dildos.
It must be mentioned at this juncture that given the sex photos of JA where her vagina, introitus , and anus were photographed and shown to be - hmmmmm gapping wide open makes one wonder if she was not acting concurrently as
queen. JAs anus and vagina must have been entered and instrumented a great deal with instruments or penises constituted with an appreciable amount of girth. In other words JA was very experienced with all manner of sexual activity and had been penetrated a great deal with or without TA s aid.It stands to reason then that JA was indeed the sex kitten for TA who just months before was dating a naïve blond waif who was fearful of an erect penis. I suspect that JA introduced TA to sexual variation. However it is just as likely that TA had seen his share of internet or video
and fully understood the strategy of oral sex, anal sex, vaginal sex, and dildo use.In this regard both TA and JA were keeping the dirty little secret very much as a partnership. Most single non Mormon males have done all of this sexual activity many times with willing partners with or without condoms and without any hint of compunction. This activity in this age of ubiquitous internet
renders this sort of sexual behavior humdrum and even banal. This was NOT the case 50 years ago.TA had good reason to be conflicted since his sexual indulgences would have put him on a collision course with the Ward Bishop. If TA had been completely honest in a Bishops interview TA would have been instructed 1) to cease and desist from such grave sexual misconduct 2) confess the scope of the sins 3) exercise contrition 4) solemnly promise NOT to repeat this sexual behavior and 5) report back progress every 3-6 months surveillance time for a 30 year old Mormon male Priest might be less than the guilty elder. TA would have told to hasten his search for a wife so that he could engage in sexual intercourse without violating Gods laws.
That TA would engage in
grade sex on a Tuesday with JA and then take a Mormon girl to Cancun on a fun filled excursion is a violation of trust or of conscience. In Mormon eyes TA was really a hound dog. In fact if TA had really subscribed to Mormon doctrines he would be humiliated and highly repentant of this decidedly Non-Mormon behavior. TAs behavior using his Mormon doctrines as the judge was truly shameful if not reprehensible. But also NOT deserving of physical punishment and certainly NOT death. The shame is of a religious ethical character.Good Mormon single men should NOT be traveling alone with good single Mormon women. Perhaps business trips would be permissible. They are taught to avoid even the appearance of evil. And if he did travel together they would each have separate hotel rooms.
It is doubtful if TA was a devout Mormon because being so would NOT have permitted him to have casual regular sex with JA. TA was a typical horny white single male on the make which would be fine and normal if he did not PRETEND TO BE A GOOD MORMON. TA was NOT a good Mormon boy PERIOD.
His claim to be a virgin at 30 or before JA is suspect. If TA managed to avoid oral anal digital sex having reached the age of 30 would have put him in line for The Lifetime Draconian Monk Award. It is possible but not likely.
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I don't think Defense is obligated to turn over damning evidence to the State. Remember Jose Baez and what his computer forensics found? He waited nervously for "foolproof suffocation" to come up... and it never did.
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This is so painful. I really don't think they'll resume today at this point. I think we're going to have to wait until Monday.
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