The Strawberry birthmark and other things about Kyron

[Calliope]

I am sure she talked of other things. I think DY and KH are taking their cues from LE, and that is why they are more vocal. They know things we don't and just the things we do know are enough to make your head spin.

With Terri having a lawyer now, I doubt we will hear from her. He has probably told her absolutely no talking, texting or commenting on news articles. He basically has put a gag on her.

We can only hope. Don't think I want to go through another 'sexting' episode. Ugh.

 

[debs]

I mentioned before, I took this to mean that TH didn't and still hasn't told the truth about her relationship with Kaine while DY was pregnant with Kyron...one big 7 1/2 year long lie. To me, it's obvious that Kaine and TH were involved before they got divorced and the accounts of TH's friends and Mom indicate that they were told otherwise, and continue to believe otherwise up to the present. Or at least until DY confirmed that she and TH were NOT friends when Kyron was born and Kaine declined to elaborate on exactly how he and TH met other than to say it was through friends. jmoo

And so with this, it makes Kaine a liar about how they met, as well. Do I have that right?

 

[Snowball58]

Well, don't forget Terri never told the truth in the 7 1/2 years Desiree knew her---even when (apparently) she didn't know her.

Do you have the quote for this? My recollection was that someone asked DY if she and Terri were friends before Kyron was born (or maybe the question was when she was pregnant) and she answered no. Being friends is different from claiming she didn't know her. If you could link the quote, that would clear things up for me - I'd appreciate it mucho

 

[human]

I have yet to see a picture where Terri has her hair done in any fashion that is flattering.

I agree with that!

What is amazing to me is in all of the pictures I have seen of her over the past some years, she looks like a totally different person in each one. I would not be able to pick her out of a line up. I can't even compare her from year to year or month to month.

Maybe she photographs really well and videos really badly.

I have seen a picture of her as late as May this year and she looked really good.

I wonder what happened over a 6 week period that changed her looks so drastically.

 

[gardeness]

Two points. First, I'd bet a million dollars that a normal mother wouldn't be talking about her bad dye job. DY has given me no reason to believe that these things were on her mind shortly after Kyron went missing.

Second, I'm sure she talked about something other than Kyron -- like food, logistics, how to handle the press, etc. Things essential to functioning under the circumstances. I haven't seen or heard anything at all about DY's inappropriate behavior under the circumstances AND there's no reason to believe she may have been involved. She wasn't in the vicinity when Kyron went missing and passed her LDT. Even if you put no stock in them, passing with an *alibi* is better than failing without one.

TH, on the other hand, has been nothing BUT inappropriate. Even if you don't believe some of it, it's the big picture that makes her appear guilty. Talking about her bad dye job is just one little piece of the big picture, imo. jmoo

I can think of two examples right now of "normal"mothers reacting to tragedy...one, my childhood friend lost her 12 yr old in an ATV accident~he was my godson. After telling me everything that happened and crying together, she then led the conversation into homeschooling. We talked for about two hours and covered many subjects--and occasionally came back to her son and cried. I think this is "normal" behavior~she needed those moments of mundane chit-chat.

The other friend is one who lost her 4-year old son to a genetic disorder. They held his memorial on a Monday, then she had a "Girls Night Out" party four days later, on a Friday night. She is in direct sells and was hosting the party, and on the invitations she added "free shipping and handling in honor of ______ (her son)". Strange? Yes, my mom, my sister, and I all thought so---but we also thought...she is grieving. Who are we to say that she cannot socialize and grieve? I consider her a "normal" mother... (Whew, can you imagine how she'd be treated if someone was suspicious of her son's death?!)

 

[Calliope]

Do you have the quote for this? My recollection was that someone asked DY if she and Terri were friends before Kyron was born (or maybe the question was when she was pregnant) and she answered no. Being friends is different from claiming she didn't know her. If you could link the quote, that would clear things up for me - I'd appreciate it mucho

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/kyron-hormans-father-chance-wife-innocent/story?id=11124144

 

[citigirl]

I feel now that there was a reason they listed these specific things about him. The birthmark that shows when he cries or is upset about something (like if he's scared, hurt, etc., perhaps trying to pull at Terri's heart strings or make her re-live what she did to him), the bee sting allergy as if to remind her that she has been caught in lies before, etc. Personalizing Kyron in ways that are meaningful to Terri, maybe to make her feel some remorse and own up to what she did.

...and the glasses...

 

[wondering1]

And so with this, it makes Kaine a liar about how they met, as well. Do I have that right?

Probably. But he wasn't the last person to see his son, he also has an alibi, he hasn't been accused of a MFH plot, or of a history of chronic lying, etc., etc. Like I said, it's the big picture. For all I know, TH is the one who didn't want anyone to know the circumstances and KH merely went along with her to keep the peace -- like agreeing not to tell your friends you met your spouse on-line or at AA, for example. In fact, I think that's highly plausible, since DY is denying she and TH were friends and, imo, saying that TH was the "other woman" all along. And she is saying it in KH's presence, and he's not denying it. Seems like KH had admitted it to DY at the time or at least at some point. He's also commented that he had inklings of her deceptive behavior, maybe this is one of them.

 

[Snowball58]

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/kyron-hormans-father-chance-wife-innocent/story?id=11124144

Sorry, I meant a link for her saying she didn't know Terri when she was pregnant. I thought what she had said was that they weren't friends. You're saying she's contradicting herself, so I wonder if you can find the link where she said she didn't know Terri when she was pregnant (or when Kyron was an infant, or whatever that bit was. I remember she answered the question but it's important to know how it was worded.)

 

[wondering1]

I can think of two examples right now of "normal"mothers reacting to tragedy...one, my childhood friend lost her 12 yr old in an ATV accident~he was my godson. After telling me everything that happened and crying together, she then led the conversation into homeschooling. We talked for about two hours and covered many subjects--and occasionally came back to her son and cried. I think this is "normal" behavior~she needed those moments of mundane chit-chat.

The other friend is one who lost her 4-year old son to a genetic disorder. They held his memorial on a Monday, then she had a "Girls Night Out" party four days later, on a Friday night. She is in direct sells and was hosting the party, and on the invitations she added "free shipping and handling in honor of ______ (her son)". Strange? Yes, my mom, my sister, and I all thought so---but we also thought...she is grieving. Who are we to say that she cannot socialize and grieve? I consider her a "normal" mother... (Whew, can you imagine how she'd be treated if someone was suspicious of her son's death?!)

In both examples, the fate of the child was known and inescapable. I think the behavior is also different in other ways, but I'll stick to that one way. I've mentioned before that people always say you never know how you'll react because when my Dad died I did x, or when I found out that my husband was killed in a wreck I did y, with x and y being some behavior that might be construed as inconsistent with grieving. Imo, however, knowing that you lost a loved one, and knowing how you lost a loved one, creates an entirely different scenario than having someone, especially your child, just disappear. In the first scenario, you know what happened and are powerless to change it. In the second situation, you don't know what happened and might not be entirely powerless. Big difference imo.

 

[gardeness]

In both examples, the fate of the child was known and inescapable. I think the behavior is also different in other ways, but I'll stick to that one way. I've mentioned before that people always say you never know how you'll react because when my Dad died I did x, or when I found out that my husband was killed in a wreck I did y, with x and y being some behavior that might be construed as inconsistent with grieving. Imo, however, knowing that you lost a loved one, and knowing how you lost a loved one, creates an entirely different scenario than having someone, especially your child, just disappear. In the first scenario, you know what happened and are powerless to change it. In the second situation, you don't know what happened and might not be entirely powerless. Big difference imo.

You know what happened, but you are still asking, "WHY??!!"--I think it's the same reaction...

I don't think anyone can say which is worse--and, IMO, they are comparable griefs.

 

[Calliope]

Sorry, I meant a link for her saying she didn't know Terri when she was pregnant. I thought what she had said was that they weren't friends. You're saying she's contradicting herself, so I wonder if you can find the link where she said she didn't know Terri when she was pregnant (or when Kyron was an infant, or whatever that bit was. I remember she answered the question but it's important to know how it was worded.)

IIRC, it was worded, "No"

 

[gwenabob]

Now, that would be totally sadistic in my book, but if TH did murder Kyron, maybe she thought she was doing him a favor by taking him there to that bridge...one of his favorite places. Was that bridge on SI?

His report was on the Iron Bridge.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Bridge[/ame]

 

[Calliope]

In both examples, the fate of the child was known and inescapable. I think the behavior is also different in other ways, but I'll stick to that one way. I've mentioned before that people always say you never know how you'll react because when my Dad died I did x, or when I found out that my husband was killed in a wreck I did y, with x and y being some behavior that might be construed as inconsistent with grieving. Imo, however, knowing that you lost a loved one, and knowing how you lost a loved one, creates an entirely different scenario than having someone, especially your child, just disappear. In the first scenario, you know what happened and are powerless to change it. In the second situation, you don't know what happened and might not be entirely powerless. Big difference imo.

It's still grief, and grief is specific to the individual. Even the same person doesn't necessarily express their grief in the same way in different situations or on different days ... or even minute by minute. There is no "normal".

 

[WhyaDuck?]

As to the strawberry birthmark, does it show up as red on Kyron when he's upset or brownish? My son's stork bites (and mine, as well) have turned more coffee coloured, but I don't know if it's because we tend towards heavier melanin.

 

[wondering1]

You know what happened, but you are still asking, "WHY??!!"--I think it's the same reaction...

I don't think anyone can say which is worse--and, IMO, they are comparable griefs.

The big difference, imo, is that in one situation there's still a potential resolution that could end your grief (no matter how unlikely) so it's consuming. In the other, the end result is a given, no matter what you think or do. You may ask why, but you know the answer to the ultimate question -- what happened to my loved one? And you start, as you must, at a different place in the grieving process.

 

[wondering1]

It's still grief, and grief is specific to the individual. Even the same person doesn't necessarily express their grief in the same way in different situations or on different days ... or even minute by minute. There is no "normal".

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Personally, I think there is a RANGE of normal, and TH, imo, falls way outside of it.

 

[gwenabob]

It's still grief, and grief is specific to the individual. Even the same person doesn't necessarily express their grief in the same way in different situations or on different days ... or even minute by minute. There is no "normal".

That's exactly what all the Scott Peterson apologists said too...

 

[debs]

The big difference, imo, is that in one situation there's still a potential resolution that could end your grief (no matter how unlikely) so it's consuming. In the other, the end result is a given, no matter what you think or do. You may ask why, but you know the answer to the ultimate question -- what happened to my loved one? And you start, as you must, at a different place in the grieving process.

You're correct. People grieve in different ways in different stages. Perhaps Terri's grief included also that she was being isolated by those she felt she would most likely receive reciprocal comfort and concern. Perhaps in that added grief she said something which reflected about her. That's just her way of grieving, perhaps.

The thing of it is..........we don't know. We only have the interpretation of it from someone who has a bone to pick with her and seems to have held onto that bone for 7 1/2 years until she could pick it.

Someone brings out a video of Terri, in private, behaving in any of the ways they say she is, and I'll watch it and see what I see. But without that, it's just someone tearing down someone else.

 

[gardeness]

That's exactly what all the Scott Peterson apologists said too...

It's interesting to me when TH is compared to Casey Anthony or Scott Peterson, because there was so much more information in both of those cases~IMO, TH's not in their league yet (need more proof!)...