The Talent show

[debs]

And given that there was only 90 minutes allotted for this talent show, that makes at most 40 acts, allowing for them to get on stage, 2 minutes, get off stage (clap clap clap) new act on stage, 2 minutes, rinse repeat.

That's a lot of acts. I don't know many parents that would give up 90 minutes to watch their child for 2 minutes. I'm not saying anything about anyone other than the parents I am acquainted with......ain't happening for most working parents.

 

[loves2bmom]

So then there would have been some sort of program made to show an order of acts. That's pretty standard. I guess parents would have picked that up at the gym when they arrived around 1 to watch.

But by 1:00, Kyron had been marked absent and had been missing for at least 4 hours.

I don't know that it's standard. Our school is a very similar size and similar activities. We never printed a program for our talent show. Not one that was handed out anyway. Only one person (in our case the Principal) had the list of those who signed up and what order they were performing. This is only my example though, there could have been a program printed at Skyline.

 

[debs]

Well, you're right L2BM, because we get programs at our school if the kids have sneezed in unison, so I just assumed a talent show would get a program (if only to show when someone's particular child is sneezing).

 

[Counting on Justice]

I don't know that it's standard. Our school is a very similar size and similar activities. We never printed a program for our talent show. Not one that was handed out anyway. Only one person (in our case the Principal) had the list of those who signed up and what order they were performing. This is only my example though, there could have been a program printed at Skyline.

If it's not standard, then the school would be the only way to clear this up. They may not be able to release this information due to the case being under investigation. I just wanted to get a hold of some concrete information, that's all.

 

[Calliope]

some of the things TY has said about Kyron's recent relationship with his SM.

What things were said ?


I'm not sure how significant it is if Kyron was supposed to be in the show or not, and I don't see if the school would simply clarify this how it would impede the investigation.

 

[Counting on Justice]

What things were said ?


I'm not sure how significant it is if Kyron was supposed to be in the show or not, and I don't see if the school would simply clarify this how it would impede the investigation.

That's what I thought too..but if it were that simple I think that the school would have already done so.:twocents:

 

[Calliope]

That's what I thought too..but if it were that simple I think that the school would have already done so.:twocents:

I think it has less to do with impeding the investigation and more to do with CYA :twocents:

 

[Counting on Justice]

I think it has less to do with impeding the investigation and more to do with CYA :twocents:

I think that you are right on the money!

That's pretty sad, if you think about it. This is about finding a little boy!!!:furious:

 

[Calliope]

I think that you are right on the money!

That's pretty sad, if you think about it. This is about finding a little boy!!!:furious:

Kinda makes me wonder if Kyron really was marked absent so early that morning, eh?

 

[StellaLuna]

Kinda makes me wonder if Kyron really was marked absent so early that morning, eh?

Good point. I too, wondered about that. As far as the talent show, it seems as if it was more for the students but for parents, not so much. It is very difficult for most parents to attend a science fair in the morning, go to work (and probably arrive later than usual) and then leave work early that same day to come back for the talent show. Even for SAHMs, two events in one day is asking a lot. The thing that is troublesome is that it offered another "checkpoint" for students whereabouts (where is .....? They were on the talent show schedule...!). I realize we aren't privy to all facts, but at this point it is a big concern.

 

[Calliope]

Good point. I too, wondered about that. As far as the talent show, it seems as if it was more for the students but for parents, not so much. It is very difficult for most parents to attend a science fair in the morning, go to work (and probably arrive later than usual) and then leave work early that same day to come back for the talent show. Even for SAHMs, two events in one day is asking a lot. The thing that is troublesome is that it offered another "checkpoint" for students whereabouts (where is .....? They were on the talent show schedule...!). I realize we aren't privy to all facts, but at this point it is a big concern.

Yeah.

If what T said about the teacher and volunteer's conversation is correct, or even close, then it is a big concern. Was the teacher so caught up in the day that she didn't notice he was missing until later? Say... when it came time for the talent show? Was there some back-pedaling CYA at play here?

 

[Billylee]

My gut feeling was that Kyron wasn't scheduled to be in the talent show. Because, I would think by now, some reporter would have asked what was Kyron going to do for the talent show and we would have read about some teacher,or parent or youngster saying he was going to do such and such.

But, if he wasn't signed up then why would Schreiber, Vicki Coghill and other parents say he was? They must have had some knowledge of his participation somehow. Bugs me.

 

[Donjeta]

Yeah.

If what T said about the teacher and volunteer's conversation is correct, or even close, then it is a big concern. Was the teacher so caught up in the day that she didn't notice he was missing until later? Say... when it came time for the talent show? Was there some back-pedaling CYA at play here?

I doubt it personally because IMO teachers of small children should and usually do check their numbers automatically several times a day, not just when it's time to take roll officially. Just a quick, "is everyone here, can we start?", checking if every desk has a child in it, did everyone come back from recess, lunch, etc. . Empty desks tend to stand out in the classroom, at least if his desk wasn't placed with unused desks in the back of the room.

 

[stmarysmead]

Wandering outside with kids at 8:45-9:00 is not architecting his disappearance over stage fright. It is being a kid like the other kids whose morning routine was changed slightly so that they stretched the limits and went outside to see a flower bed. That is what I understand BeanE's theory to be...that Kyron could have been one of the kids who went outside to look at the flowers. She calls them the "flowerbed kids". As for stage fright, I don't quite buy into that. I would believe more that anything which could cast doubt onto Terri is amplified and thrown out there for others to make their own opinions up about it, with absolutely no support for Terri offered, so that one's conclusion is drawn that Terri lied to everyone about Kyron's being in the talent show and look at how suspicious she is.

My guess is that for 2 minutes max, very few parents thought it was worth their time to get back up to the school mid-day and see it.

Actually, you are making my point in reverse....we are actually in agreement.You see things "amplified" to discredit Terri. I see just the opposite. This is why we need more credible information. I'm sure we would all be willing to declare Terri a saint or a psychopath if we knew more. Till then, there is a lot of "team spirit."

I am suspicious of why Terri took the truck but did not use it for the reason she specified...bringing home the science project. I am suspicious of why ON THAT DAY, when there are about three people who say Kyron was in the show...she did not return, watch him, and bring the project home. THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE TRUCK. Or...just go get the project AND Kyron.

But of course, everything about Terri TO ME fits into the framework of a woman who sees Murder as a problem-solver...a woman who is friends with another woman who can abuse a puppy for days and take money for it and laugh at the dog's misery in a blog. Terri is a woman who is sexting with a stranger when her stepchild is missing and may be undergoing Heaven knows What from a sexual predator. Sexting does not seem like something to "relieve" thoughts of sexual cruelty to a child. I would think she'd find more constructive ways of relief.

So I myself have a perspective these days. Without more solid evidence...information is being credited or dismissed by MANY OF US...based on currently held positions. If we all could agree to an experiment in a respectful manner and the same good spirit, I think we could guess... just by who is posting...whether Terri will be defended in that post...or not. This is not a criticism because I fit in such a category as well.

So in that way I agree with the bolded part of your post but I believe in the reverse. Such is our current dilemma.

 

[debs]

Actually, you are making my point in reverse....we are actually in agreement.You see things "amplified" to discredit Terri. I see just the opposite. This is why we need more credible information. I'm sure we would all be willing to declare Terri a saint or a psychopath if we knew more. Till then, there is a lot of "team spirit."

I am suspicious of why Terri took the truck but did not use it for the reason she specified...bringing home the science project. I am suspicious of why ON THAT DAY, when there are about three people who say Kyron was in the show...she did not return, watch him, and bring the project home. THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE TRUCK. Or...just go get the project AND Kyron.

But of course, everything about Terri TO ME fits into the framework of a woman who sees Murder as a problem-solver...a woman who is friends with another woman who can abuse a puppy for days and take money for it and laugh at the dog's misery in a blog. Terri is a woman who is sexting with a stranger when her stepchild is missing and may be undergoing Heaven knows What from a sexual predator. Sexting does not seem like something to "relieve" thoughts of sexual cruelty to a child. I would think she'd find more constructive ways of relief.

So I myself have a perspective these days. Without more solid evidence...information is being credited or dismissed by MANY OF US...based on currently held positions. If we all could agree to an experiment in a respectful manner and the same good spirit, I think we could guess... just by who is posting...whether Terri will be defended in that post...or not. This is not a criticism because I fit in such a category as well.

So in that way I agree with the bolded part of your post but I believe in the reverse. Such is our current dilemma.

We only have Kaine's assertion that Terri demanded the truck on that day. And since, again by his assertion, Terri set up the display on Thursday, the day before, needing the truck then to carry the display over to the school, why it was that Kaine, who planned on being home around 2 that day anyway, didn't just say "hey, no worries. Here's what we'll do. I'll take the car, and when I get home, we'll drive over to the school and get Kryon for ice cream and picking up the display to take down so Des can see it."

Instead, all we hear is that Terri insisted, and it doesn't make sense. What doesn't make sense for me is why an analytical thinker wouldn't think it through immediately and come up with what I did above.

because the minute I heard about the truck, that was my first thought.

 

[Donjeta]

I've never been called an analytical thinker but if my partner said "Hey, I need your truck to take the project home after the science fair" I might be likely to just say "Oh, OK." It's an okay plan that gets the job done. There are be alternative plans that might do just as well, but if I don't particularly care which vehicle I drive to work and if I know that my partner is going to go to the school in the morning anyway and if my partner is not disabled in any way and can carry the thing and if we are not in any hurry to get the ice creams and can manage it fine after the child gets home on the school bus and if I don't have any particular desire to visit the school that particular day I might not see any reason to disagree with my partner's plan and to attempt to come up with alternative plans.

 

[debs]

Sure, that works too, Donjeta. Then the only thing that sticks out is that Kaine, after the fact, thinks it was weird that she wanted the truck to pick up a display that she did not, in fact, pick up. What doesn't get factored in is that she had already dragged her fussy toddler around and maybe she just wanted to get home and they would do it on the way out of town. We don't know. We're never told.

We just have Kaine deciding that it's suspicious. But is it, really?

 

[Billylee]

No matter who had the truck that day, and this is O/T because it's not about the talent show, Why was Kyron supposed to take the bus home when TH or KH could have picked him up in the truck along with the sci project? I still have yet to hear a reporter ask him that question, and I'd love to hear his answer. I think the reporters have missed the boat a lot in this saga, but that's a whole 'nother story.

 

[Donjeta]

Sure, that works too, Donjeta. Then the only thing that sticks out is that Kaine, after the fact, thinks it was weird that she wanted the truck to pick up a display that she did not, in fact, pick up. What doesn't get factored in is that she had already dragged her fussy toddler around and maybe she just wanted to get home and they would do it on the way out of town. We don't know. We're never told.

We just have Kaine deciding that it's suspicious. But is it, really?

It depends, IMO. I've got enough experience with small children to realize that things do not always go as I planned when I've got the kids in tow but it could have been suspicious and I don't think that Kaine would have given the matter another thought if Kyron hadn't gone missing. She could just have said she forgot and I'd have said, "Oh, okay, no harm done, we'll get it later." But it could have seemed very suspicious depending on how she explained herself. If she gave too much information, got too wordy, made too many excuses, etc..

Anyway, I don't believe that she failed to take the project with her because she just wanted to get home because she didn't go home. She went shopping and driving around and to the gym before she got home.

 

[Lucid]

No matter who had the truck that day, and this is O/T because it's not about the talent show, Why was Kyron supposed to take the bus home when TH or KH could have picked him up in the truck along with the sci project? I still have yet to hear a reporter ask him that question, and I'd love to hear his answer. I think the reporters have missed the boat a lot in this saga, but that's a whole 'nother story.

My son takes the bus home even on days I have the car - he enjoys it, and I feel that picking him up on my own will throw everyone off, from him to his teacher to the bus driver (as bus riders and car riders/walkers exit out separate ends of the school, etc). Plus I would have to call the school and inform them of the change, and it just isn't worth the potential confusion to pick him up myself.