The Talent show

[Donjeta]

IMO there is some confusion about TP because people sometimes attribute some things to TP that he didn't say at all in the very short clips that we saw.

 

[cluciano63]

Personally, I think Kaine would have known if Kyron was planning on being in the talent show. Getting up in front of an audience is either terrifying or exciting, depending upon your personality, and I don't think a child would hide either emotion all that well, over something like this.

 

[debs]

Personally, I think Kaine would have known if Kyron was planning on being in the talent show. Getting up in front of an audience is either terrifying or exciting, depending upon your personality, and I don't think a child would hide either emotion all that well, over something like this.

Which then makes me wonder why he equivocated when discussing it. He never denied it; just said there were some questions about it. I can't imagine it didn't come up in conversation in the morning when Kyron was feeding the cat and Kaine was telling him to have a great day, love you, b'bye!

 

[stmarysmead]

Which then makes me wonder why he equivocated when discussing it. He never denied it; just said there were some questions about it. I can't imagine it didn't come up in conversation in the morning when Kyron was feeding the cat and Kaine was telling him to have a great day, love you, b'bye!

I'm married to an engineer. Even those of you who are not, may experience a moment...occasionally... when your husband is not focusing his entire attention on YOU and whatever you may be saying. What man could swear unequivocally
that he remembers everything his wife said on just another average morning as you are all going through your routines?

These parents are trying to call up all sorts of details. Isn't it normal to be "not sure" about this or that?

When was this "equivocation" by Kaine made regarding the Talent show? Was it when he was still standing firmly and loyally at Terri's side...before he found out from LE that she wanted him dead?

I can imagine it NOT coming up...especially if Kyron was nervous about it. The child was focused on the car, focused on the loving attention he was getting from his Dad.

There is no prescribed type of conversational interplay that is required to be followed between a Dad and Son on what SHOULD have been just an average morning. Nothing at all strange or to find fault about. On the morning of 9-11, my daughter started her first day at a job in NYC. My husband and I knew everything about this company's 401K, medical plan, vacation...but neither had asked the address. We weren't even spelling the name right.

No, I can't say anything seems strange or "unimaginable" to me.

 

[debs]

I am wondering, since it is STILL, now going on 347 posts, whether the title should be changed, since this talent show is most decidedly NOT confirmed, at least with regard to Kyron.

 

[stmarysmead]

I am wondering, since it is STILL, now going on 347 posts, whether the title should be changed, since this talent show is most decidedly NOT confirmed, at least with regard to Kyron.

But it has, to our present knowledge, BEEN confirmed by several parents at the school and the child that was to perform with Kyron. Has anything been in the media that has discredited those accounts?

I may have missed those links.

If not, is it responsible of us, in our sleuthing to decide ourselves what witnesses we will credit and what ones we will hold up as gospel? How would we agree on that? Would that not cause confusion?

If these witnesses have confirmed in a credible media account that Kyron was to be in the Talent Show...by what criteria do we now pronounce them not believable and change the thread title?

 

[chasing.halos]

So, if it is J that was called before the GJ, it's interesting that Schreiber herself was not called before the GJ, but her son J was. Why do we think that he was called? I always figured it was because he was the last one to see Kyron at 9:00. But maybe there's some other reason??

SBM

It's my opinion that he was called to the GJ to get an account of a couple of things:

-What was Kyron's demeanor during practicing for the talent show or whatever they did to prepare for the show (I am assuming they prepared for it?)
-What exactly happened when Ky didn't show up for the talent show

It is also just my opinion that perhaps parents were not invited to the show. I pictured it as an assembly type thing where a lot of kids are participating. Again, just my opinion/speculation here.

 

[debs]

But it has, to our present knowledge, BEEN confirmed by several parents at the school and the child that was to perform with Kyron. Has anything been in the media that has discredited those accounts?

I may have missed those links.

If not, is it responsible of us, in our sleuthing to decide ourselves what witnesses we will credit and what ones we will hold up as gospel? How would we agree on that? Would that not cause confusion?

If these witnesses have confirmed in a credible media account that Kyron was to be in the Talent Show...by what criteria do we now pronounce them not believable and change the thread title?

Since it is well documented that each person will typically come to his or her own conclusion regarding the veracity of statements made by any particular person regarding this case, it would seem self-evident how witnesses are credited or discredited.

The fact is, parents of children (and one friend of a parent of a student) state there was a talent show and Kyron was to be in it. His own parents state that there is some question about that. Seems to me it is the parents discrediting the parents of the other students. I don't think anyone doubts there was a talent show at the school that afternoon from 1-2:45. The only question is Kyron's participation in it, which then says to me that, regarding the case of the disappearance of Kyron, the talent show still isn't confirmed. Whether the title is changed or not will not change that particular fact.

Carry on.

 

[stmarysmead]

Since it is well documented that each person will typically come to his or her own conclusion regarding the veracity of statements made by any particular person regarding this case,(true) it would seem self-evident how witnesses are credited or discredited.

By our own personal preconceptions? But that is NOT a trump card to the rules of this Website. The title cannot be changed on any one group of members point of view ALONE. We go by MSM links not individual members preconceptions in assessing information. There are reported witnesses who testified under oath that Kyron was to be in the Show. Have they been discredited by other MSM sources? Other witnesses who also testified under oath?

If you are referring to some other standard, respectfully, it is NOT self evident to me. Please explain.

The fact is, parents of children (and one friend of a parent of a student) state there was a talent show and Kyron was to be in it. His own parents state that there is some question about that. Seems to me it is the parents discrediting the parents of the other students. I don't think anyone doubts there was a talent show at the school that afternoon from 1-2:45. The only question is Kyron's participation in it, which then says to me that, regarding the case of the disappearance of Kyron, the talent show still isn't confirmed. Whether the title is changed or not will not change that particular fact.

There are witnesses that say Kyron WAS to be in the show that testified to the Grand Jury. I have not read that other witnesses IN SWORN TESTIMONY discredited that. If this has happened, then I'd like to be informed with that information and read it myself. Has this happened? This would make me better understand your point of view if I could read the link to the parents who testified that KYRON WAS NOT to be in the Talent Show.

 

[debs]

I wonder what a two minute talent looks like.

 

[stmarysmead]

I wonder what a two minute talent looks like.

In a child, absolute innocence and charm.

 

[Donjeta]

IMO it's possible for both Kyron's parents and the other student's parents be credible witnesses if we just take their statements as differing points of view. In Kaine and Desiree's perspective there might have been no talk about Kyron taking part in the talent show but maybe he signed up at the last minute and didn't tell anyone and it was supposed to be a surprise or he had talked to friends about taking part but there was some further confusion and he had never actually signed up.

It's just frustrating because the school could very easily confirm if he was on the list of performers or not.

 

[debs]

A surprise for who? Each parent has a reasonable explanation as to why they weren't going to be at the school that day. We know Desiree hadn't planned to come to Portland to pick up Kyron since Terri and Kaine were going to drive him down to his mom's house.

Who would Kyron want to surprise?

 

[stmarysmead]

A surprise for who? Each parent has a reasonable explanation as to why they weren't going to be at the school that day. We know Desiree hadn't planned to come to Portland to pick up Kyron since Terri and Kaine were going to drive him down to his mom's house.

Who would Kyron want to surprise?

Maybe the talent show was just for students and teachers.

Maybe Kyron THOUGHT the talent show was just for students and teachers.

Maybe if Kyron felt he was punished whenever his daily report was not good enough, he feared not "bring up to expectations" in his little performance. and that Terri might punish him for that.

Maybe he did not WANT his family there for the above reasons or any of many other reasons: feeling shy: feeling more comfortable just performing in front of kids; feeling unprepared; feeling unable to meet Terri's ideas of excellence; so many things the child might have felt.

Maybe he wanted to surprise them all and come home and tell Terri he was praised and did well...to compensate for the reports that seemed to upset her and maybe embarrassed Kyron. Maybe he thought if Terri were there, he was doomed to fail in her eyes again.

 

[Billylee]

Since it is well documented that each person will typically come to his or her own conclusion regarding the veracity of statements made by any particular person regarding this case,(true) it would seem self-evident how witnesses are credited or discredited.

By our own personal preconceptions? But that is NOT a trump card to the rules of this Website. The title cannot be changed on any one group of members point of view ALONE. We go by MSM links not individual members preconceptions in assessing information. There are reported witnesses who testified under oath that Kyron was to be in the Show. Have they been discredited by other MSM sources? Other witnesses who also testified under oath?

If you are referring to some other standard, respectfully, it is NOT self evident to me. Please explain.

The fact is, parents of children (and one friend of a parent of a student) state there was a talent show and Kyron was to be in it. His own parents state that there is some question about that. Seems to me it is the parents discrediting the parents of the other students. I don't think anyone doubts there was a talent show at the school that afternoon from 1-2:45. The only question is Kyron's participation in it, which then says to me that, regarding the case of the disappearance of Kyron, the talent show still isn't confirmed. Whether the title is changed or not will not change that particular fact.

There are witnesses that say Kyron WAS to be in the show that testified to the Grand Jury. I have not read that other witnesses IN SWORN TESTIMONY discredited that. If this has happened, then I'd like to be informed with that information and read it myself. Has this happened? This would make me better understand your point of view if I could read the link to the parents who testified that KYRON WAS NOT to be in the Talent Show.

Stmarysmead, you know of a person who testified before the GJ about the talent show? I hadn't read that anywhere, can you linky please? That's exactly the kind factual info we're looking for here. TIA

 

[stmarysmead]

Stmarysmead, you know of a person who testified before the GJ about the talent show? I hadn't read that anywhere, can you linky please? That's exactly the kind factual info we're looking for here. TIA

Sure Billy. I'm going on the first post that started this thread.

" Talent Show confirmed
a 9 yo testified @ GJ last week, confirms he was to perform with Kyron at the talent show, but never saw Kyron at school that day...

KOIN news at 6, no link yet "

I'll read further in the beginning of the thread to see when KOIN posted. This appears to be a Twitter post.

 

[debs]

I was always curious about that. I thought GJ testimony was kept secret. Did the child tell reporters?

 

[Billylee]

Sure Billy. I'm going on the first post that started this thread.

" Talent Show confirmed
a 9 yo testified @ GJ last week, confirms he was to perform with Kyron at the talent show, but never saw Kyron at school that day...

KOIN news at 6, no link yet "

I'll read further in the beginning of the thread to see when KOIN posted. This appears to be a Twitter post.

Yes, I don't think this has been confirmed through MSM. We do have Ms. Schreiber and Ms. Coghill saying Kyron was to be in the show, in the MSM, but this had nothing to do with the GJ and they certainly weren't under oath. Thought I'd missed something.

 

[stmarysmead]

I was always curious about that. I thought GJ testimony was kept secret. Did the child tell reporters?

Well, I've re-read looking for the link that fits the thread...and I cannot find it.

I think we really need to find it or Debs, I'm going to argue now on your side that this thread title and maybe the thread is not valid. (never thought you'd read THAT LOL!)

This is why I think we need to post links. If there is no link, then are we assuming GJ testimony? Anyone able to add to this?

Where did the first KOIN statement come from?

 

[debs]

Maybe the talent show was just for students and teachers.

Maybe Kyron THOUGHT the talent show was just for students and teachers.

Maybe if Kyron felt he was punished whenever his daily report was not good enough, he feared not "bring up to expectations" in his little performance. and that Terri might punish him for that.

Maybe he did not WANT his family there for the above reasons or any of many other reasons: feeling shy: feeling more comfortable just performing in front of kids; feeling unprepared; feeling unable to meet Terri's ideas of excellence; so many things the child might have felt.

Maybe he wanted to surprise them all and come home and tell Terri he was praised and did well...to compensate for the reports that seemed to upset her and maybe embarrassed Kyron. Maybe he thought if Terri were there, he was doomed to fail in her eyes again.

Plausible. But for a few things:

Desiree says that Terri provided for Kyron's needs, and has never once said she was a bad mother or a harsh disciplinarian to her son.

Kaine has said THEY were ALL working on Kyron's issues at school, and never once said Terri was a bad mother or a harsh disciplinarian to his son.

In fact, if I recall, the only criticism either has said was when Kaine stated that Terri and J butted heads, in direct rebuttal of Terri's email to a friend much earlier in the year before Kyron disappeared that said J was sent to her parents house to keep J from butting heads with Kaine.

But still to this day, that talent show is a mystery.