The three phone calls Shawn made Billie that he deleted

[belimom]

Yup scary stuff to think he was calling the cell phone if it was at the house with only Hailey there.

If the phone was with Billie and not at the house as claimed, then he was probably trying to verify that Billie was gone from the house.

So let's play pretend for a moment:

If SA is calling the house (either cell phone or house phone), he is doing what?
- making sure BD is gone?
- making sure Hailey is asleep/out of it?
- making sure no one else came in (DD...?)?
- talking to Hailey?

If SA is on the phone with BD, then what?
- she had her phone with her that day?
- she was talking on friend's phone?
- she was talking on a 3rd phone?

I keep hearing in my head, "Here we go round the mulberry bush, so early in the morning...".

 

[PassTheMotrin]

Could he have been calling Hailey? Calling BDs phone while she was at work?

If I recall correctly, Billie said on one of her first appearances on the NG show (I think it was her first,) that she left her phone with Hailey during the day while she was at work.

 

[parker38]

Something else I've thought of, which may have already been
addressed here, is the fact that if SA wrote that TEXT to MB,
that is the only way he could do this without a voice behind a call.

IOW He could text as HD to MB, but not make a call to MB...

This would be another plus if we want to put that texting
in his hands, if Hailey wasn't around.

Hope that's not confusing lol

 

[Wise Old Owl]

If I recall correctly, Billie said on one of her first appearances on the NG show (I think it was her first,) that she left her phone with Hailey during the day while she was at work.

Which has me wondering when this "practice of leaving the cell at home with the kids" actually started. I say that because last year - during the Valentine's Day 911 calls BD was on her cell and she was at work. She said SA had been texting her - you can't text to a hospital land line - nope, she was on her cell. And IIRC she also said that DD was home and didn't have a phone there. No landline, no cell. So, BD had been taking her cell to work with her then.

 

[tehcloser]

I think the calls being deleted are simply because they didn't want LE to see they had been talking to each other....kinda hard to keep the "story up" when you are talking to each other so often. I think that's also why we later heard the story change to "he called me to tell me HD was going to MB's". Coming up with stories to cover the calls.

 

[gngr~snap]

I'm not sure what time the first call was... Coild he have already been at the home and calling the phone to locate it? Not sure how long the call lasted maybe he called it from the home just to leave a message on voice mail? Lots of killers call women they know are dead to pretend they have no knowledge of the crime.

 

[belimom]

I think the calls being deleted are simply because they didn't want LE to see they had been talking to each other....kinda hard to keep the "story up" when you are talking to each other so often. I think that's also why we later heard the story change to "he called me to tell me HD was going to MB's". Coming up with stories to cover the calls.

True... Cz first reported on here that BD was told about Hailey going to MB's after she got home.

ETA:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #1

bbm

I am on the phone with Billie right now:


When Billie got home from work Monday, her BF told her that he came home early and that Hailey had left shortly after that. Tuesday, Billie called her son from work to get ahold of Hailey and tell her it was time to come home. The friend said Hailey never showed. The son called Billie, who came home, checked a few places. and went straight to the PD to report Hailey missing. She said 1pm because she had just assumed that BF came home at lunch on Monday - she never asked him, and didn't stop at her house or talk to him before she went to the PD.

Billie says that until the PD interviewed them Wednesday, she didn't realize that BF actually came home Monday at 3pm. LE has been aware since Wednesday that Billie accidentally reported the wrong time.

 

[debirlfan]

I think that's possible. What bugs me though is that the affidavit states the calls in question were made to caller id "Billie".

Maybe "Billie" isn't Billie Dunn. If so, that would explain why the phone didn't match up with what he told the cops. "Billie" could be a guy's name - although most guys would probably spell it Billy, if he's used to spelling it with the "ie" he could have unthinkingly entered it into the phone that way. Calls to BD might be identified on his phone as "Home" - personally I don't have a cell, but I think many people who do identify the phone they use at home by that name.

If phone "Billie" was the dealer, when Shawn realized that, and that the cops were questioning his calls thinking they were to BD, he could have easily freaked and got them off of there.

 

[katydid23]

Good questions! On my phone, I have to delete each call separately, whether it's incoming or outgoing. I don't know how to delete all of them with one fell swoop, is that possible? It sure doesn't make sense for them to hand the phone back to him. Did they sit there and watch him delete all 3 calls? Pretty stupid move, if you ask me.
When or what day were these calls made? Monday? So if Billie left her phone with the kids, why would he have been calling her cell phone?

my cell has a ' delete history' option on it

 

[katydid23]

Maybe "Billie" isn't Billie Dunn. If so, that would explain why the phone didn't match up with what he told the cops. "Billie" could be a guy's name - although most guys would probably spell it Billy, if he's used to spelling it with the "ie" he could have unthinkingly entered it into the phone that way. Calls to BD might be identified on his phone as "Home" - personally I don't have a cell, but I think many people who do identify the phone they use at home by that name.

If phone "Billie" was the dealer, when Shawn realized that, and that the cops were questioning his calls thinking they were to BD, he could have easily freaked and got them off of there.

Good point. There were comments on his myspace from a 'billy' that confused people at first. And it turned out to be a cousin or good friend of his by that jname.

 

[hollyblue]

I think we're all chasing our tails until we know exactly what time of day or even what day they are talking about. BUT, if this was the morning of of the 27th, I think the descrepancy that LE is talking about and wanting to see the phone again about...is SA saying he called BD at work when actually, he was calling BD's cell. And that's IF he was telling BD the truth about the whole scenario. The problem is...why would he be calling BD at work before her 7am scheduled time to work?

He is like Van der Sloot, he lies to get himself out of lies, but they can't put anything on him at times. Even when Sloot was caught with evidence...he still lied, to everyone including his family.

Love to know how many computers they want to check out and how many peeple's phone records checked too. No wonder it's taking so long.
I hope he didn't buy one of those trac phones and dispose of it.

 

[Aedrys]

It makes no sense that he would delete those phone calls right in front of the police unless he was showing off. It's like he was saying to their faces, "I'm not going to make this easy on you, you're going to have to prove what I did to Hailey." He was trying to make them think he was a big tough guy, look at me, I'm erasing the numbers right in front of you, what are YOU going to do about it right now? I'm sure he knew they'd get the cellphone records, but that would take time. He seems like someone, to me, that little victories like that mean a lot to, which is incredibly immature. And he doesn't seem to have much respect for authority either.

And he wonders why people think he's guilty when he acts like a rebellious teenager in front of police. Sheesh.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I wonder if these interviews are videotaped and recorded? I guess I'm so used to seeing every detail in the ICA case, it leaves me very thirsty for more information!

 

[yllek]

Well, I guess we won't know anytime soon what evidence/value the phone records hold. Didn't expect that they would be released and certainly don't want anything out there that could jeopardize the investigation or future prosecution of those responsible. Still, curious as heck! LE refused the request for them to be released under the Freedom of Information act...

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=343746

(posted this update in the three threads related to phone pings/records as it applies to all three specific discussions)
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[Jo in Calif]

This could be one of the reasons that LE has confiscated those phones.
If the 3 calls that Shawn has claimed that he did not delete, had better still be on that phone and match the records that LE won't release.