The top ten reasons I believe the IDI theory

[BBB167893]

OK, that is different than what I thought.

You'll find I'm full of surprises.

I agree it's hard to accept these kind of acts, but I think by now most of us have been been inundated with so many horrific incidents, especially for those of us who follow crime, and so the horrific has become not so unexpected. Anybody who watches TV crime shows knows the evil that is too commonplace.

You're different from a lot of IDIs I know, Squirrel. Some have actually tried to convince me that the idea that such things are commonplace is a "myth."

I think the "need" you speak of does exist but turns up mostly with interested parties to the crime, like family. You see lots of times where one parent murders the other, that the children will stand by the accused parent during trial, and perhaps understandably so, even though to outside observers the parent is clearly guilty.

You have a good point about that, Squirrel. But this isn't just something I'm pulling out of my nether regions. Gregg McCrary often spoke about this case, and he said precisely the same thing: we want child killers to be obvious monsters because the idea that this could happen in a "model" family brings the reality of our own human flaws too close to home.

Anyway, speaking for myself, it doesn't matter to me whether the Ramseys did it or not, Jonbenet is still gone, just trying to follow what the evidence says and doesn't say.

I understand what you mean, Squirrel, and I sympathize with it. Nothing we do will bring JB back. But as far as I go, getting justice for JB is PART of it. The other part is preventing the NEXT one.

I was going to mention this, and you've provided me with a good opportunity. A few years ago, a blogger posted this:

The first of which is the fact that the Boulder police turned a blind eye to the compelling evidence against the Ramseys and refused to take steps toward prosecution. Why did they do this? Could the laid-back, non-confrontational Boulder attitude prevent law enforcement officers from doing their job? Could they not stomach the thought of putting a beautiful mother who just lost her daughter through a trial that could very well land her in prison for life?

I'll tell you what, when I lived in Boulder the cops nailed me for every damn traffic violation possible and when I showed up in court, I might as well have been Al Capone pleading innocent to ever being involved in organized crime. I guess they are a tad more lenient with a former Miss West Virginia with a rich husband.

Notice the bolded part. Before any of you dismiss this notion, one of the posters here (whose name I can't remember--sorry, whoever you were) turned me on to a TV interview with Alex Hunter around 2000-2001 where he strongly implied that he had no interest in prosecuting Patsy Ramsey because, as he saw it, she was not a killer; she wasn't some gangbanger or career criminal who was a public menace; she was a good person who made a mistake and had already suffered the worst punishment anyone could ever give her: having to live with her mistake. Putting her in prison, or worse, on Death Row, would not have served any public interest. (One can also interpret this statement as a subtle jab against the Boulder police, ST especially, who made no bones about their desire to see the killer get the death penalty.)

Well, I'll say this, Squirrel, and to any of you out there who may be reading this: I'm NOT opposed to this notion. I even AGREE with it to an extent. But that's not Alex Hunter's choice to make. Last I checked, that call belongs to GOD. A DA's job is to enforce the law as it's written, and this is a man who often did not do that.

I know some of you out there think of me as a harsh and inflexible Knight Templar, a person who sees good and evil in stark black-and-white terms with no room for subtle gradations. Well, maybe you're right, but I DON'T THINK SO. Far as I go, there are no "petty" crimes, no "minor" offenses. There's the LAW, and if you don't like it, you go to the ballot box and CHANGE it. But you DON'T decide no to obey it.

So while I sympathize with you, Squirrel, the way I see it is, when ONE person gets away with murder, it convinces other people that THEY can get away with it too. I wonder how many people thought they could murder their kids and get away with it because the Ramseys did.

 

[BBB167893]

teehee..we differ on JR. I am sort of sympathetic towards him.

I get you. And if it turns out that he did not have a hand in this (POOR choice of words!), I can understand why he did what he did.

 

[BBB167893]

I, for one, never saw John Ramsey as a "good" guy. He had an affair while his first wife, Lucinda, was pregnant. In my book, there's no excuse and that act not only makes him sneaky, it makes him sneaky (affair), and selfish (ruining his marriage and hurting not only his wife, but the future of his child).

So, it is not a stretch for me to believe the sneakiness of his MAYBE having molested JonBenet. His selfishness is, IMO, not revealing what he knows because HE doesn't want to get caught in whatever role he played. Maybe he didn't have anything to do with the cover-up, but he would not have opened himself up to the financial and personal devastation ratting Patsy out would have caused.

I get you, vlpate.

I've never been convinced of previous molestation by John -- and for no other reason than I just don't "feel" it or see it in him. Sure, like George Anthony, he's a little creepy and hard to feel warm and fuzzy about, but I just don't see him molesting JBR. Like George, John had an affair with a grown woman, instead of sitting around in the basement looking at pictures of little girls and boys. It's a rare pedophile that doesn't have a tangible history of pictures or other kids coming forward (mystery woman does NOT count). Look at Steven Powell - he made my skin crawl from day one - I can totally see him being creepy in the basement looking at children's pictures.

We'll talk about that later, okay?

 

[DeeDee249]

When DA Hunter made that comment about not wanting to prosecute Patsy because she "was a good person who made a mistake"- did NO ONE realize he was admitting that he knew or thought Patsy was responsible?

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

When DA Hunter made that comment about not wanting to prosecute Patsy because she "was a good person who made a mistake"- did NO ONE realize he was admitting that he knew or thought Patsy was responsible?

Sounds like another RDI myth.

 

[vlpate]

I get you, vlpate.



We'll talk about that later, okay?

About what my dear, did I get OT? Half the time I don't know where I am and have to scroll to the heading

 

[Roy23]

I get you, vlpate.



We'll talk about that later, okay?

So George Anthony is creepy now too? Hmmm!

 

[Alix]

You'll find I'm full of surprises.



You're different from a lot of IDIs I know, Squirrel. Some have actually tried to convince me that the idea that such things are commonplace is a "myth."



You have a good point about that, Squirrel. But this isn't just something I'm pulling out of my nether regions. Gregg McCrary often spoke about this case, and he said precisely the same thing: we want child killers to be obvious monsters because the idea that this could happen in a "model" family brings the reality of our own human flaws too close to home.



I understand what you mean, Squirrel, and I sympathize with it. Nothing we do will bring JB back. But as far as I go, getting justice for JB is PART of it. The other part is preventing the NEXT one.

I was going to mention this, and you've provided me with a good opportunity. A few years ago, a blogger posted this:

The first of which is the fact that the Boulder police turned a blind eye to the compelling evidence against the Ramseys and refused to take steps toward prosecution. Why did they do this? Could the laid-back, non-confrontational Boulder attitude prevent law enforcement officers from doing their job? Could they not stomach the thought of putting a beautiful mother who just lost her daughter through a trial that could very well land her in prison for life?

I'll tell you what, when I lived in Boulder the cops nailed me for every damn traffic violation possible and when I showed up in court, I might as well have been Al Capone pleading innocent to ever being involved in organized crime. I guess they are a tad more lenient with a former Miss West Virginia with a rich husband.

Notice the bolded part. Before any of you dismiss this notion, one of the posters here (whose name I can't remember--sorry, whoever you were) turned me on to a TV interview with Alex Hunter around 2000-2001 where he strongly implied that he had no interest in prosecuting Patsy Ramsey because, as he saw it, she was not a killer; she wasn't some gangbanger or career criminal who was a public menace; she was a good person who made a mistake and had already suffered the worst punishment anyone could ever give her: having to live with her mistake. Putting her in prison, or worse, on Death Row, would not have served any public interest. (One can also interpret this statement as a subtle jab against the Boulder police, ST especially, who made no bones about their desire to see the killer get the death penalty.)

Well, I'll say this, Squirrel, and to any of you out there who may be reading this: I'm NOT opposed to this notion. I even AGREE with it to an extent. But that's not Alex Hunter's choice to make. Last I checked, that call belongs to GOD. A DA's job is to enforce the law as it's written, and this is a man who often did not do that.

I know some of you out there think of me as a harsh and inflexible Knight Templar, a person who sees good and evil in stark black-and-white terms with no room for subtle gradations. Well, maybe you're right, but I DON'T THINK SO. Far as I go, there are no "petty" crimes, no "minor" offenses. There's the LAW, and if you don't like it, you go to the ballot box and CHANGE it. But you DON'T decide no to obey it.

So while I sympathize with you, Squirrel, the way I see it is, when ONE person gets away with murder, it convinces other people that THEY can get away with it too. I wonder how many people thought they could murder their kids and get away with it because the Ramseys did.

I like black and white when it comes to killing children. The fuzzy lines can be drawn when it comes to sentencing, as far as I'm concerned, but not when it comes to arresting and prosecution.

I haven't seen this interview you are speaking of, but this Alex Hunter sounds like a flat-out racist dressed in nice clothes. So a wealthy white woman who kills her child 1) didn't mean it, because 2) it was a mistake, and she 3) is suffering, and 4) is already paying the price, so there is no purpose to punishing her?

I've yet to see a poor black mother who has killed her child even spoken about in this manner, let alone being treated like a queen.

 

[Junebug99]

So George Anthony is creepy now too? Hmmm!

I have Never thought George was creepy, broken yes, but not creepy. I feel a lot of sympathy for him, I can't imagine what it's been like for him, at least he doesn't make excuses for his worthless daughter.

 

[RoseTree]

JR reminds me a little of Kaine Horman. They both seem to have skeletons, regardless of involvement.

 

[vlpate]

So George Anthony is creepy now too? Hmmm!

Creepy like a used car salesman creepy...IMO, of course. I just wouldn't totally trust the car's a/c would last past the freon charge

I think it's his eyebrows...

 

[DeeDee249]

I have Never thought George was creepy, broken yes, but not creepy. I feel a lot of sympathy for him, I can't imagine what it's been like for him, at least he doesn't make excuses for his worthless daughter.

I know we are on different sides of the JB case, but on this matter, I agree with you totally! That bogus accusation of abuse of his daughter as an excuse for why she was not able to report her daughter missing was so shameful I have a hard time believing even a defense attorney would do it. If she was that traumatized by it, it certainly didn't stop her partying.
I see George as a heartbroken man- losing a precious granddaughter and seeing his daughter lose her soul.

 

[vlpate]

I know we are on different sides of the JB case, but on this matter, I agree with you totally! That bogus accusation of abuse of his daughter as an excuse for why she was not able to report her daughter missing was so shameful I have a hard time believing even a defense attorney would do it. If she was that traumatized by it, it certainly didn't stop her partying.
I see George as a heartbroken man- losing a precious granddaughter and seeing his daughter lose her soul.

I agree, I can't go that far creepy. I was so mad when JB pulled that bull during opening. I probably never hated Casey more than at that moment. It just proves she is evil and will do absolutely anything to get what she wants.

 

[BBB167893]

Sounds like another RDI myth.

It's no myth, Squirrel. DD is referring to what I spoke of in the above post.

 

[BBB167893]

So George Anthony is creepy now too? Hmmm!

Are you speaking to me or vlpate?

 

[BBB167893]

I like black and white when it comes to killing children. The fuzzy lines can be drawn when it comes to sentencing, as far as I'm concerned, but not when it comes to arresting and prosecution.

I haven't seen this interview you are speaking of, but this Alex Hunter sounds like a flat-out racist dressed in nice clothes. So a wealthy white woman who kills her child 1) didn't mean it, because 2) it was a mistake, and she 3) is suffering, and 4) is already paying the price, so there is no purpose to punishing her?

I've yet to see a poor black mother who has killed her child even spoken about in this manner, let alone being treated like a queen.

I don't know if that description fits Alex Hunter, but I wouldn't be surprised if Trip DeMuth was like that. He never hesitated to shovel black and Hispanic defendants into the furnace of "justice."

 

[BBB167893]

I agree, I can't go that far creepy. I was so mad when JB pulled that bull during opening. I probably never hated Casey more than at that moment. It just proves she is evil and will do absolutely anything to get what she wants.

I think Shakespeare had the right idea: next time, we kill all the lawyers.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

It's no myth, Squirrel. DD is referring to what I spoke of in the above post.

Evidence it's a fact?

 

[UKGuy]

Looking at the title of this thread, The top ten reasons I believe the IDI theory made me realize in the days when everyone referred to the touch-dna as DNA according it the same status as say semen DNA, then maybe there was one reason for thinking IDI.

Now its plain touch-dna, IDI does not stand up, so currently I reckon there is not even one reason for promoting IDI!



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[BBB167893]

Evidence it's a fact?

You mean BESIDES my eyes seeing it and my ears hearing it? It was one of those A&E specials about the case. Towards the end, it was. This was around 2000-2001, if memory serves. Maybe if we're REALLY lucky, someone out there reading this will know which one and if we can find it on YouTube, or some such.