The Trailer: Who, When and How

[onlooker62]

So he buys a farm property and travels to Mexico with a massive trailer very shortly afterwards. Weird timing and I find it suspicious. Private storage area for something brought back from Mexico?

Well, he was listed as "Did not finish" both times. Both the Baja 1000 in '09 and the Baja 500 in '11. Perhaps he made a pick-up instead...it's a possibility.

 

[Claroon]

I kind of hesitate to put this out there as it isn't "fact" but hazy memory, but the week he was missing my first thought was they loaded the truck into a "van" or transport whatever you call it to sell it overseas or in Mexico even. Later I did see a black trailer while I was driving and asked myself if a truck could fit inside but thought, nah probably horses or something (I was driving by, didn't check for horse windows). Probably nothing and I can't even tell you now which direction it was going. It was definitely at Maple Grove and Beaverdale but I don't remember north, south, east or west. This is a route to the 401 though from Waterloos Airport though. I don't think it went down Beaverdale as far as the OPP but I wonder if that OPP or the businesses beside it would have a camera to check.

I had also seen a black truck with the metal things on the sides that day or the day before going north on Beaverdale but there are MANY black trucks around I've noticed since.

I thought of posting this for many days but didn't think it was worthwhile. Since this thread is about the trailer I decided I would just in case.

 

[Shaky pi]

Okay, they leave Tims on test drive, hit the road with Yukon behind them, (have we specified who was driving-I no some people arnt comfortable with other people driving their vehicle eve on test drive ). Head toward Brantford, toss Tims cell, then on to cambridge farm, ( total drive give is roughly an hr, ). Now we very heard Tim killed between ancaster and farm, how do we know killed,has some 1 said that,, even if killed with gun depending if small caliber upclose, not much of a mess, however in some cases not much blood,..
I am assuming it was rear seat that was missing,
Ok. Get to farm, sketchy there. Do they dump him there temporarily and take truck to hanger. I think so ( pics of d m. Working on cars there,so assuming tralor kept there ).
Maybe 3 rd guy took truck to hanger. Others stay behind to deal with time...
Did they burn tim that night.????

Now if u or I were them that night, wouldn't you be in a little panic mode,tims not home. Just matter of time before missing reports. Tim and truck..

Just my thinking folks. Take care

 

[onlooker62]

Okay, they leave Tims on test drive, hit the road with Yukon behind them, (have we specified who was driving-I no some people arnt comfortable with other people driving their vehicle eve on test drive ). Head toward Brantford, toss Tims cell, then on to cambridge farm, ( total drive give is roughly an hr, ). Now we very heard Tim killed between ancaster and farm, how do we know killed,has some 1 said that,, even if killed with gun depending if small caliber upclose, not much of a mess, however in some cases not much blood,..
I am assuming it was rear seat that was missing,
Ok. Get to farm, sketchy there. Do they dump him there temporarily and take truck to hanger. I think so ( pics of d m. Working on cars there,so assuming tralor kept there ).
Maybe 3 rd guy took truck to hanger. Others stay behind to deal with time...
Did they burn tim that night.????

Now if u or I were them that night, wouldn't you be in a little panic mode,tims not home. Just matter of time before missing reports. Tim and truck..

Just my thinking folks. Take care

With the exception that I think this was DM's 3rd murder and was planned, I think the chain of events is near perfect to what will emerge.

 

[Archangel7]

Maybe DM forgot Tim's wife got a look at him, or he felt it wasn't a good look or he simply didn't care.

It's just odd for a person to take a husband from home, in front of a wife, on a test drive, never return, and then expect to get away with it as an anonymous unidentifiable someone.

Surely, DM had to know she could ID him.

On the possibility of blood in the truck......Head/neck wounds bleed profusely, yet incapacitate instantly or very quickly depending.

Body wounds can allow retaliation for several seconds up to a few minutes depending.

I assume DM was driving, Tim in front passenger seat and SM in back seat, likely behind Tim or they stopped after a short drive to open hood, view the diesel engine and they both attacked Tim, loaded him in backseat etc..........

When the cops say seats were missing I assume they mean both front and rear? However I'm not sure EXACTLY what seat(s) were missing.

 

[axe2grind]

Well, he was listed as "Did not finish" both times. Both the Baja 1000 in '09 and the Baja 500 in '11. Perhaps he made a pick-up instead...it's a possibility.

In one of the Baja race albums, there was a picture of his Jeep on it's right side in a rocky gulley. Didn't look like it was badly damaged, but it would certainly be a difficult spot to get out of, and could easily have kept him from finishing the race.

 

[nouranium]

I think they may have had the red truck and the trailer at the place where TB's phone was found. they'd have left it there waiting. jumped in the yukon, got dropped off at TB's place. then went back to the trailer. and that might be why/how they lost the phone. it was dark. over the sound of the diesel no one noticed the phone fall out of the truck. drive truck into trailer. that way it wouldn't get noticed if they took it to the hangar. is there a way to find pictures of the hangar that night? or witnesses that saw them there the next day? with the truck in the hangar they could get the seats out, then reload it and take it to kleinburg.

 

[nouranium]

if lights where on in the hangar that night and weren't usually on..... they could have been inside.

also I thought I saw a picture of a bonfire dated may 7 among the facebook pics before they were removed. I wondered if there was any significance to that bonfire photo. I doubt they would have used the big trucks to go to the farm. too noticeable with neighbours. probably used the yukon.

It would be possible to climb out of that truck via the windows. MS looks skinny enough to do it.

as to motive, take a read of the page about serial killers on wikipedia. it summarizes a lot of research I've read in the scientific journals. there is also a sense that younger criminals these days are less and less empathic... saw some interesting research data on that too.

 

[Kamille]

The picture of the bonfire was from April 5th and was posted from Wasaga Beach. Nothing to do with this case.

I too wonder, however, where that Red Ram truck is that belongs to DM. I believe LE stated they had 3 vehicles that they were processing? So are we to assume it's the Yukon, TB's truck and the red truck? If so where did they find the red truck? DM was arrested in the Yukon so where did he park the red Dodge Ram? Where was it usually parked? I've no doubt it was used to tow that trailer.

As for the trailer, if you have the picture of the red Camaro in the Waterloo hangar, you can see the trailer parked in the hangar in the background. So this was likely where that trailer was usually stored. If LE have footage of TB's truck being driven through Brantford, then I'm of the opinion that his truck was kept in the hangar for a couple of days, the seats were removed, they did what they could regarding clean up and then put it in the trailer and towed it to MB's house.

I guess the question is, what did they plan on doing with it after that? Why the need to get that truck out of the hangar once the information regarding it, and the missing owner, made the news. Were there other people who might have been coming to the hangar that were not involved in this who may have seen it? AM? SS? Obviously if it was just the two of them involved, then the less anyone else knew the better. Could be the same reason he didn't bring the trailer to his own home on Maple Gate. He apparently had people over there on the Wednesday night according to his neighbours. Were these people who knew about what went down or people who did not. Did DM know that the trailer being parked anywhere where friends who were not part of the crime could see it and question it might cause him problems until he could figure out what to do with the truck?

Did he just have to keep it somewhere while he had plans to do things with people not involved in the crime both at the hangar and at the house? Was he going to tow it back to the hangar at the first opportunity he had to start stripping it down?

MOO

 

[RenegadeX]

^ Seems to me that if DM was involved and TB's truck was to be kept for whatever reason then the best plan of action would be to hide it in the trailer and park that in the hangar, not in a residential driveway, where it stuck out like a sore thumb. If the trailer is not out of place in the hangar then there's no reason for any outsider to the TB situation who happened to be visiting the hanger to suspect that TB's truck would be inside. There's no windows on the trailer so it could remain undetected indefinitely.

What does moving it from such a "safe" location suggest?

Possibilities:
- that the truck was never intended to be taken and having it in the hangar would be a problem
- that DM was nervous about being identified and having police come to the hangar (2 days before the tattoo description was announced by police). If so, why? Obvious answers: 1st test drive witness, SB's description, perhaps he left his real first name when he set up both test drive appointments.
- that someone other than DM wanted the trailer/truck to be found
- .... ?

 

[THXGuru]

^ Seems to me that if DM was involved and TB's truck was to be kept for whatever reason then the best plan of action would be to hide it in the trailer and park that in the hangar, not in a residential driveway, where it stuck out like a sore thumb. If the trailer is not out of place in the hangar then there's no reason for any outsider who happened to be visiting the hanger to suspect that TB's truck would be inside. There's no windows on the trailer so it could remain undetected indefinitely.

What does moving it from such a "safe" location suggest?

Possibilities:
- that the truck was never intended to be taken and having it in the hangar would be a problem
- that DM was nervous about being identified and having police come to the hangar (2 days before the tattoo description was announced by police). If so, why? Obvious answers: 1st test drive witness, SB's description, perhaps he left his real first name when he set up both test drive appointments.
- that someone other than DM wanted the trailer/truck to be found
- .... ?

The truck was intended to be taken, not sure why they moved it to the others house. LE confirmed that TB was targeted for his truck, LE kinda leaked out some info by saying that the driver in Etobicoke was much bigger and likely could of taken down DM and MS. this could indicate that no gun or weapon was involved. Now DM could of stores the truck at the hanger and left it inside the travel trailer locked up. JMO

 

[RenegadeX]

The truck was intended to be taken, not sure why they moved it to the others house. LE confirmed that TB was targeted for his truck

You are parroting what LE said, but that is not necessarily fact. Even if they have an unnamed witness who has told them "everything", it may not be true.

 

[THXGuru]

You are parroting what LE said, but that is not necessarily fact. Even if they have an unnamed witness who has told them "everything", it may not be true.

I get that, but the previous test drives of a dodge truck days earlier and the chop shop at the hanger make it obvious that the motive was to steal the truck. Moo

 

[jash]

The picture of the bonfire was from April 5th and was posted from Wasaga Beach. Nothing to do with this case.

I too wonder, however, where that Red Ram truck is that belongs to DM. I believe LE stated they had 3 vehicles that they were processing? So are we to assume it's the Yukon, TB's truck and the red truck? If so where did they find the red truck? DM was arrested in the Yukon so where did he park the red Dodge Ram? Where was it usually parked? I've no doubt it was used to tow that trailer.

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BBM - No assumption is necessary! It's been confirmed (and you were correct).

"Kavanagh says forensic officers are focusing now on three vehicles that have been seized: Bosma's truck, the dark blue Yukon driven by Millard when he was arrested in Mississauga and a red Dodge Ram pickup that Millard is seen with in photos posted on Facebook."
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2882383-clairmont-no-id-yet-of-two-other-suspects-in-bosma-murder/

I, too, wonder where the red truck was parked; both normally and when police took it. I'd guess it was found at the Etobicoke house but that's just a hunch.

 

[matou]

BBM - No assumption is necessary! It's been confirmed (and you were correct).

"Kavanagh says forensic officers are focusing now on three vehicles that have been seized: Bosma's truck, the dark blue Yukon driven by Millard when he was arrested in Mississauga and a red Dodge Ram pickup that Millard is seen with in photos posted on Facebook."
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2882383-clairmont-no-id-yet-of-two-other-suspects-in-bosma-murder/

I, too, wonder where the red truck was parked; both normally and when police took it. I'd guess it was found at the Etobicoke house but that's just a hunch.

If the red Dodge truck was located without an engine in it or with TB's truck engine in it, that would be "interesting." JMO

 

[jash]

If the red Dodge truck was located without an engine in it or with TB's truck engine in it, that would be "interesting." JMO

Indeed. I wonder how quickly DM and his mechanic(s) could swap an engine and other related components including the fuel system (IIRC, DM's truck uses gas and TB's diesel). Judging by the mechanic's online posts about DM's other projects, he doesn't seem particularly quick.

If the red Ram was found without an operable engine, then I'd wonder how the trailer got to Kleinburg.

 

[onlooker62]

If the red Dodge truck was located without an engine in it or with TB's truck engine in it, that would be "interesting." JMO

I read in an MSM article that DM's truck was not the diesel version. If that was the case, the conversion is a lot more complicated than a simple swap. Wiring harnesses are not the same, the ECM (Computer) is not the same. Transmission is quite likely a different bolt pattern, motor mounts, exhaust etc...The conversion would take weeks of full time work. IF, that was the plan, and provided the MSM account was correct, then there was simply no way that they could have completed a swap.

 

[axe2grind]

I read in an MSM article that DM's truck was not the diesel version. If that was the case, the conversion is a lot more complicated than a simple swap. Wiring harnesses are not the same, the ECM (Computer) is not the same. Transmission is quite likely a different bolt pattern, motor mounts, exhaust etc...The conversion would take weeks of full time work. IF, that was the plan, and provided the MSM account was correct, then there was simply no way that they could have completed a swap.

I think they could just take the heavier dual rear axle out of DMs truck and put it on Tim's truck, along with the the wider rear fenders. Then just swap the VIN from DM's truck over to Tim's. That would certainly be much easier than converting DM's truck to have the diesel engine. Quick paint job and you've got yourself a nice new diesel...

 

[axe2grind]

^ Seems to me that if DM was involved and TB's truck was to be kept for whatever reason then the best plan of action would be to hide it in the trailer and park that in the hangar, not in a residential driveway, where it stuck out like a sore thumb. If the trailer is not out of place in the hangar then there's no reason for any outsider to the TB situation who happened to be visiting the hanger to suspect that TB's truck would be inside. There's no windows on the trailer so it could remain undetected indefinitely.

What does moving it from such a "safe" location suggest?

Possibilities:
- that the truck was never intended to be taken and having it in the hangar would be a problem
- that DM was nervous about being identified and having police come to the hangar (2 days before the tattoo description was announced by police). If so, why? Obvious answers: 1st test drive witness, SB's description, perhaps he left his real first name when he set up both test drive appointments.
- that someone other than DM wanted the trailer/truck to be found
- .... ?

Maybe the trailer/truck was being left at DM's mother's house for someone else to pick up at a later date... someone who didn't have access to the hangar.

 

[expat cdn]

Indeed. I wonder how quickly DM and his mechanic(s) could swap an engine and other related components including the fuel system (IIRC, DM's truck uses gas and TB's diesel). Judging by the mechanic's online posts about DM's other projects, he doesn't seem particularly quick.

If the red Ram was found without an operable engine, then I'd wonder how the trailer got to Kleinburg.

Regular engine swap does not take long at all, can be done in a day, providing you know what you're doing.