The weekend BEFORE Haleigh went missing-revisited

[YellowSubmarine]

I have to say, I'm pretty intrigued. I guess I didn't put all the damaged cars together and realize they were all damaged fairly recent to Haleighs disappearance. Also, interesting coincidence Haleigh goes missing on the only few days MC's parents are not home. I think being hurt in a road rage incident is very plausible. We know these families don't seem to believe in child restraints. If this were the case, PCSO should get some heat for allowing this to go on.

 

[lil momma]

I don't know where to put this, i think this thread is good, but if it needs to be moved, mods please do so.

I was going through some pictures to see if i could find a picture of HaLeigh bike, thinking that maybe the bike made the scratch on the van. Well, i came across a pic of a pink bike, that i am going to say is safe to assume it was HaLeigh's. (i don't think JR has a pink bike, but could be wrong, i thought i saw another pic with a black and red bike in the front yard.)

On Misty's LVA she states that HaLeigh was outside popping wheelies, but the picture shows training wheels on the pink bike. I think it would be a little hard to pop a wheelie on a bike with training wheels.....

just an observation i made, and thought i would share it b/c it just shows another lie.

i will try to post the pic...lets see how it works

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/...aleigh Cummings/?action=view&current=2-27.jpg

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/...eigh Cummings/?action=view&current=closer.jpg

The second link is a very bad pic, but if you look close you will see another bike in front of the vehicle.

 

[watchinginky]

IMO, the only way a pistol would do that kind of damage is if someone took it and scraped a sharp part of it on the van. I watched the video again and I can't really tell how long the scratch is. To me it seems like someone got too close to something (tree branch? dumpster? MC mentioned barb wire in one of the videos) and kept driving.
The driver side headlight was cracked, also.
Here's a link to the video if anyone needs to refresh their memory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc61AO1APc4

Interesting too around 51 seconds on the video....the white powder-like stuff, dust, around the edge of the tires. Like it was driven along a gravel road. JMO

 

[watchinginky]

I don't know where to put this, i think this thread is good, but if it needs to be moved, mods please do so.

I was going through some pictures to see if i could find a picture of HaLeigh bike, thinking that maybe the bike made the scratch on the van. Well, i came across a pic of a pink bike, that i am going to say is safe to assume it was HaLeigh's. (i don't think JR has a pink bike, but could be wrong, i thought i saw another pic with a black and red bike in the front yard.)

On Misty's LVA she states that HaLeigh was outside popping wheelies, but the picture shows training wheels on the pink bike. I think it would be a little hard to pop a wheelie on a bike with training wheels.....

just an observation i made, and thought i would share it b/c it just shows another lie.

i will try to post the pic...lets see how it works

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/...aleigh Cummings/?action=view&current=2-27.jpg

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/...eigh Cummings/?action=view&current=closer.jpg

The second link is a very bad pic, but if you look close you will see another bike in front of the vehicle.

Good find! Not sure when the 2nd picture was taken, but it looks like there could be some damage to the left back bumper.

 

[yosande]

What if the blood came from the owner of the vehicle? Could they release it then? I just don't know how that works.

Even if there was human blood found in the van, that isn't enough evidence to jump to the blood being spilled during or after a crime.
Kids get cuts and scrapes all the time. If Haleigh was known to have ridden in the van before, then blood isn't enough evidence, unless it's known to be postmordem, or patterned in such a way as to suspect a violent act occurred.
moo

 

[yosande]

I remember hearing about that I just don't know where I heard it from. You noticed Ron got a new car shortly after all this happened? Maybe his car was damaged that night....who knows. But if it is true that tells me that, Ron's car was damaged
The blue van was damaged
There was blood in the van
HALEIGH'S MISSING

Maybe there was another car chase. That's the only thing I can think of.

Does anyone have any info on the accident that Hank Sr. was in?[/quote]

Does anyone also have any info in Hank Sr. and RC being in a fight together against someone else in an attempt to get Misty?
Was anyone arrested that weekend for assault?
Did Hank Sr really get hurt in a car accident, or a fight,
Or a car accident after a fight.
I keep thinking about when the clan came over to save her from Ron, and a fight ensued.
I can't help but think that weekend before Haleigh went missing, Hank Sr and Ron went searching for Misty together.
It doesn't explain where Haleigh and Jr were though.
moo

 

[yosande]

if there had been an accident in which Haleigh was hurt or could have been hurt, or even killed, and it was an accident. Even if MC was driving and didn't have a license, I can't imagine not calling 911 or rushing her to the hospital.

The very fact that an elaborate spin was put on her disappearance literally screams of foul play, but that's moo.

 

[yosande]

Thank you...Wow!

Cars found damaged about the time Haleigh vanished

1. rons Altima tail end
2. chelsea's hit by drunk driver (lawsuit?)
3. nay's Rear end damage (extensive)on Blue Lincoln
4. lindsey's Headlight and passenger side of blue van.
.....
Anymore?

Whatever auto accident Hank Sr was in, if he was in one. That also happened that weekend iirc. moo

Does anyone recall how cousin joe arrived in the area? Did he not have an auto of his own?

 

[yosande]

Whisperer--
http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/...s-family-feud/

snip~Two days before Haleigh turned up missing last February, a drunk driver with no insurance smashed into the used car Timmy and Chelsea had just bought days earlier. Hank, Sr., her father in law wound up in the hospital in Gainesville, Fla., she says, and didn’t come home until after Haleigh vanished, on crutches, pins in his leg and a lot of pain.

bumped it b/c it answers some questions. thanks.

 

[yosande]

Yes, According to Chelsea, Hank Sr was in an auto accident when he was driving their vehicle on Saturday just prior to HaLeigh's disappearance on Monday. Chelsea said she drove Lisa to the hospital in Gainesville on Monday which means Lisa and Hank weren't at the the Tyler Residence or in Satsuma when HaLeigh disappeared. Hank Sr was apparently hit by a drunk driver without auto insurance and he was admitted to the hospital in Gainesville for treatment until his release around Feb 10th. As far as we know, no other person was in the vehicle with Hank.

Would there be a police report to back this up?
Someone sent to jail for driving drunk?
Some kind of proof that it happened this way?

B/c I'm really stuck on hank sr, and rc together in hot pursuit of MC that saturday night. moo

 

[Whisperer]

Appears that rc and his GMA each got new cars three weeks after Haleigh disappeared.'
Sykes purchased a 2009 Nissan and rc got his spanky truck.

 

[LFlorida]

bumped it b/c it answers some questions. thanks.

Yosande - I got a 404 error when I clicked on doobie's link. Anybody else?

 

[LFlorida]

Whisperer--
http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/...s-family-feud/

snip~Two days before Haleigh turned up missing last February, a drunk driver with no insurance smashed into the used car Timmy and Chelsea had just bought days earlier. Hank, Sr., her father in law wound up in the hospital in Gainesville, Fla., she says, and didn’t come home until after Haleigh vanished, on crutches, pins in his leg and a lot of pain.

Tried the originally posted link - get 404 error msg on this one, too.

This one did work, I think:

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/

 

[Crosby87]

Whatever auto accident Hank Sr was in, if he was in one. That also happened that weekend iirc. moo

Does anyone recall how cousin joe arrived in the area? Did he not have an auto of his own?[/QUOTE]

I heard during a weekly update on HC's case that Joe came and left Satsuma with a woman who drove a blue cadillac which leads us to believe Joe didn't have his own vehicle to drive around in. Her vehicle was apparently apprehended by LE and tested. It surprises me that a woman would have the time and money to chauffeur joe around for approximately 1 month. We don't have anymore information on this woman and no one including LE or members of the Croslin and Cummings family have mentioned her. I wonder where she stayed because it doesn't appear she stayed with Joe at Timmy and Chelsea's TMK.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Appears that rc and his GMA each got new cars three weeks after Haleigh disappeared.'
Sykes purchased a 2009 Nissan and rc got his spanky truck.

Who runs out and buys new vehicles a couple weeks after their child goes missing? These people were busy bees -- buying new cars, moving, getting married - and, not to mention, being involved in numerous criminal activities. I know we shouldn't judge and people handle situations different - blah, blah, blah. BUT it's a HUGE red flag that these people are focusing on other activities instead of searching for Haleigh.

IF RC & MC were not involved in her disappearance, what a huge slap in the face to her that they are running around buying vehicles and moving and such. IF they are innocent, Haleigh should be their priority and all they've done is shown she isn't. Let's imagine Haleigh is alive out there and will be coming home -- when she asks her daddy if he was searching for her, what's he going to say - "Well, I was pretty busy buying and shuffling cars around. Then Misty and I got married. We HAD to have a honeymoon. Then, we moved out of the home you knew. And we were pretty busy getting in trouble with the law, too."

It's funny how one of RC's favorite responses when asked any questions about what they've been doing is "We just need to keep the focus on Haleigh". Well, maybe someone needs to tell him that.

Ok, rant over. I clearly need some caffiene this morning.


ETA: Do they even have vigils anymore? Or are they to busy for that, too?

 

[Crosby87]

Would there be a police report to back this up?
Someone sent to jail for driving drunk?
Some kind of proof that it happened this way?
B/c I'm really stuck on hank sr, and rc together in hot pursuit of MC that saturday night. moo

I have not seen any evidence to support the Croslin's claim that Hank Sr was hit by a drunk driver without auto insurance and you are right, there should be an incident report and a jail booking to back their claim.

 

[Whisperer]

If there is truth to the accident, we can also be sure there will be a law suit...You get one year to file, right?

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Tried the originally posted link - get 404 error msg on this one, too.

This one did work, I think:

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/

You know this whole case is bazaar to begin with.

I found some of Chelsea's statements to be conflicting and odd.

BBM


http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/#more-3180
"snip"
Chelsea started driving the blue van, which she reported to be parked in a different spot than she usually left it the day Haleigh was reported missing. Cousin Joe had spent the night, and Chelsea told police she’d left the keys on the kitchen counter, where she usually does, within easy reach. “What I told police was that I can’t totally, 100 per cent account for Joe that night…
“I don’t see Joe doing something like this. ,I don’t know if Joe took it to the store, or maybe he didn’t take it at all.” (But wait, wasn't she one of the family members that didn't trust Joe? Then why did She let him stay the night.)


The Gun Incident:
Art,watched Misty’s mother, Tommy and wife Lindsay give Staubs a yard tour, showing him a drainage pipe under the driveway where they claim Joe stashed a gun he’d allegedly stolen from Ronald. (So, are we to believe that the gun was hidden at Chelsea's house? Is that not where Misty was dropped off at the morning of Feb 8 around 4am after her 4 day party bindge with Nay Nay and WBG? Could that be were Ron was rushing to the morning he passed by the bus stop, on his way to GGMS to get Haleigh a shirt? I believe even more now that Haleigh and Jr. were at GGMS that Monday morning?)
Chelsea says;
She stopped talking to Cobra after he started spreading rumors about someone named Donald S., saying there was a convicted sex offender by that name and he was related to someone in our families. Lindsay has someone named Sapp in her family, but whoever Cobra was talking about, it wasn’t the same guy.
“You’ve got to be nuts to think I’d let some known pedophile near my kids… (So, why did she let Joe O. stay in her home with her kids? Why did any of the Crolins allow cousin Joe around? Hasn't Misty made claims that Joe also messed with her? Why would she allow Haleigh around him or even want to be around him herself if her claims are true?)
The morning that Haleigh had been reported missing, Chelsea and Timmy joined the long line of family members for interviews, took polygraphs, and watched Ron and Misty hand over the clothes they were wearing to police. “Ronald was wearing his company jumpsuit, like a blue work outfit that zipped up the front, and they both went in back and took off everything, including their underwear.” (So, are we to assume that Chelsea, and Timmy pasted their poly? The only one LE has ever said that gave conflicting statements was Misty and LE did at one point last year make a brief comment that some of Ron's statements were inconsistent. I don't have the link off hand, but recall the statement clear as day.)

Misty did a fine job watching her kids, too, even if she’d occasionally fall asleep. (How can that be a fine job watching young children? You can not let young children roam around while your sleeping, especially in Misty's case...while abusing drugs.)

 

[Emeralgem]

The Gun Incident:
Art,watched Misty’s mother, Tommy and wife Lindsay give Staubs a yard tour, showing him a drainage pipe under the driveway where they claim Joe stashed a gun he’d allegedly stolen from Ronald. (So, are we to believe that the gun was hidden at Chelsea's house? Is that not where Misty was dropped off at the morning of Feb 8 around 4am after her 4 day party bindge with Nay Nay and WBG? Could that be were Ron was rushing to the morning he passed by the bus stop, on his way to GGMS to get Haleigh a shirt? I believe even more now that Haleigh and Jr. were at GGMS that Monday morning?)


Snipped...BBM.. How did you surmize the gun was hidden at Chelsey's house.. Am I missing something?TYIA

 

[MADJGNLAW]

The Gun Incident:
Art,watched Misty’s mother, Tommy and wife Lindsay give Staubs a yard tour, showing him a drainage pipe under the driveway where they claim Joe stashed a gun he’d allegedly stolen from Ronald. (So, are we to believe that the gun was hidden at Chelsea's house? Is that not where Misty was dropped off at the morning of Feb 8 around 4am after her 4 day party binge with Nay Nay and WBG? Could that be were Ron was rushing to the morning he passed by the bus stop, on his way to GGMS to get Haleigh a shirt? I believe even more now that Haleigh and Jr. were at GGMS that Monday morning?)


Snipped...BBM.. How did you surmize the gun was hidden at Chelsey's house.. Am I missing something?TYIA

I questioned if that was were the gun may of been from reading Art's article. It got me a little confused because Art wrote the article under the interview he had with Chelsea. However, he then went on to say. (Art,watched Misty’s mother, Tommy and wife Lindsay give Staubs a yard tour, showing him a drainage pipe under the driveway where they claim Joe stashed a gun he’d allegedly stolen from Ronald.) He didn't really come out say who's house he was at though. Then he went on to the part about Chelsea not wanting to talk to Cobra anymore because of the so called rumors. So, I was thinking to myself out loud...LOL. Could it be that Misty was taken to Chelsea's or Lindsay's house...but went with Chelsea since Art was reporting on an interview he did with Chelsea.:waitasec: I think I just confused myself...LOL