The word "hurt" in media reports

[Bobbisangel]

Hey, Trixie...
Don't forget the computer forensics subpoena'ed from Google...it's got to take a bit of time to go through that!

I think they're being thorough with this case so as to completely aleviate ALL reasonable doubt.

What kind of stuff did they find on his computer?

 

[LTUlegal]

What kind of stuff did they find on his computer?

Laptop has not been located, that we know of.
They subpoenae'd Google's files on Raven's activity. Imagine having to go through the history of every page you've searched, every e-mail you've sent for just even 1 month. That's got to take some time.
So, what I was stating is to add to the list being compiled, we're still waiting on computer forensics to be done on the information they subpoenae'd from Google.

 

[hoppyfrog]

Raven's own story places him at home at 10:30. According to the autopsy, the onset of injury was about 10:50 and TOD was about 10:55. If Raven is the perp, he clearly had no idea how narrowly TOD could be determined.

Please don't be mad at me. <Hoppy kneels and begs for mercy> But can you point me to the place where it's reported that RA places himself at home at 10:30? I believe you. I really do. But I'm trying to refresh myself on some of the details. I've been combing through lots of posts, doing searches, rereading media reports, etc, and I can't find mention of the 10:30 time. Any help anyone can give me to locate this is *very* much appreciated.

Also, I missed the whole discussion/reports of the home teachers being at the A. residence that night. I was probably on vacation. Can anyone point me to those posts?

TIA,

Hoppy

 

[LTUlegal]

Please don't be mad at me. <Hoppy kneels and begs for mercy> But can you point me to the place where it's reported that RA places himself at home at 10:30? I believe you. I really do. But I'm trying to refresh myself on some of the details. I've been combing through lots of posts, doing searches, rereading media reports, etc, and I can't find mention of the 10:30 time. Any help anyone can give me to locate this is *very* much appreciated.

Also, I missed the whole discussion/reports of the home teachers being at the A. residence that night. I was probably on vacation. Can anyone point me to those posts?

TIA,

Hoppy

I, myself don't recall the exact information, and it's not something I'm hanging the ENTIRE case on. However, if you read this thread, it's got some info you might be looking for as well as the timeline thread.
Crime scene info thread: http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23846&highlight=autopsy's

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Ah, but you forget that he puts himself home at approximately 10:30 - she was hurt 10:50, deceased by 10:55 - he lives by a creek, in the time he supposedly took to go find the cell phone etc. he could have ditched that knife somehow, someway, or handed it off to an accomplice, by the time LE and Paramedics arrived. He was a soccer player, and at that time, I bet he was in a lot better shape than the chubby, balding dude is now! It wouldn't have been too hard on him, because back then, he had stamina and was actually in shape.

Term, reading through yours and JG's posts, it made me think....why did raven tell LE he ran around looking for his cell phone??? I'm thinking raven was out of breath....breathing heavy.....sweaty.....on the 911 call and/or when LE arrived. His excuse? not running and hiding the murder weapon but running around looking for the cell phone!

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Term, reading through yours and JG's posts, it made me think....why did raven tell LE he ran around looking for his cell phone??? I'm thinking raven was out of breath....breathing heavy.....sweaty.....on the 911 call and/or when LE arrived. His excuse? not running and hiding the murder weapon but running around looking for the cell phone!

That's a very good point, EI - that he could have been breathless when placing the call. I personally think that the story about running around for the phones was to allow himself more time to dispose of the weapon before making the call. But that could still include him being breathless. Now, more than ever, I'd really like to hear the 911 call.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Please don't be mad at me. <Hoppy kneels and begs for mercy> But can you point me to the place where it's reported that RA places himself at home at 10:30?

No kneeling and begging for mercy necessary!

I also don't remember where I heard that but hopefully the link provided earlier will give you something.

 

[radar]

September 16, 1986---Bill Wegerle returns home shortly before noon to have lunch. His wife's car is not in the driveway, their 2 year old boy child is sitting on the living room floor. Bill does a walk through but does not find his wife, he thinks she may have gone to the school where their daughter attends for some reason. Only after approximately 45 minutes does Bill finally find his wife's body in their bedroom. Bill was suspected of her murder but there was not enough evidence to make an arrest. Vicki Wegerle, BTK victim.

The only thing missing from the house was Vicki Wegerle's drivers license. LE never made a connection to BTK. Bill Wegerle was always a suspect. March 19, 2004 a letter containing a copy of the license was sent by BTK.

If speculation and rumors were the truth, Bill Wegerle would have probably been in prision long before March 19, 2004!

 

[Jess]

But Radar, it DIDN'T happen !! So what's the connect ? neither did it happen in the case in Markham, Ontario. Apples to oranges !!

 

[radar]

But Radar, it DIDN'T happen !! So what's the connect ? neither did it happen in the case in Markham, Ontario. Apples to oranges !!

I see a man being slandered by speculation and rumors on this forum.

 

[Moxie]

I see a man being slandered by speculation and rumors on this forum.

Radar,

We appreciate your opinion, but I'm not sure how a man is being slandered on this website.

His behavior before the murder of his wife has been factually documented:

Adultery
Embezzlement
High Debts
Fired from Job
Separation from wife

His behavior since the murder of his wife has been factually documented as well:

Convicted of Felony Embezzlement
Left NC in a hurry
Fired from Job again
No public appeals to help find the murderer of his pregnant wife
Questionable trust fund

I'm sure I left some things off, however... It seems Raven by his actions has given us plenty to discuss without any possibility of slander.

 

[golfmom]

I haven't seen the Memorial Fund used as a reward for information leading to an arrest either.

 

[Moxie]

That's a very good point, EI - that he could have been breathless when placing the call. I personally think that the story about running around for the phones was to allow himself more time to dispose of the weapon before making the call. But that could still include him being breathless. Now, more than ever, I'd really like to hear the 911 call.

Can't we request the 911 call as a matter of public record?

 

[Jenifred]

I see a man being slandered by speculation and rumors on this forum.

I don't see any solid evidence pointing away from Raven!

 

[BirdHunter]

I see a man being slandered by speculation and rumors on this forum.

That's funny, I don't even see a MAN. Just a sniveling coward who thinks of only himself and wouldn't know the truth if it slapped him upside the head.

 

[Justgimmethetruth]

Radar is just trying to be objective. LE has not given one ounce of information that would lead anyone to think Raven is guilty or not guilty. They don't have any suspects and they haven't done anything on this case in months. If they were sure it was Raven, why have they let him go for so long???

 

[BirdHunter]

Radar is just trying to be objective. LE has not given one ounce of information that would lead anyone to think Raven is guilty or not guilty. They don't have any suspects and they haven't done anything on this case in months. If they were sure it was Raven, why have they let him go for so long???

Really?!?!?! And you know this how?!?!?!

 

[BirdHunter]

Oh, I know, its because the Durham police haven't called you up personally and said, "Hey let me give you the truth on this murder case."

 

[ewwwinteresting]

:laugh:

Oh, I know, its because the Durham police haven't called you up personally and said, "Hey let me give you the truth on this murder case."

You are on a roll BH!!

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Radar is just trying to be objective. LE has not given one ounce of information that would lead anyone to think Raven is guilty or not guilty. They don't have any suspects and they haven't done anything on this case in months. If they were sure it was Raven, why have they let him go for so long???

JGMTT: LE has done the following:

1. Stated the crime wasn't raven
2. Not clearing raven as a suspect or even a POI
3. Received a search warrant to search raven's house, auto, and clothes he was wearing
4. Has interviewed raven and received another seach warrant for the Durango
5. Subpoenad raven's goggle account

IMO, LE has stated who they are looking at for this crime.