Theories #1: What Happened to Jennifer Kesse?

[shelly111]

You don't necessary need long sleeves. He wore gloves and made sure his hair covered, probably was careful his exposed body parts will not touch the car.
That's why he didn't took the DVD in the back of the car and left it in in plain view.
He wasn't in the car long time. Before returning the car to HOG he wiped off all evidence.

 

[shelly111]

It definitely could be a woman. The back of poi look very grateful, she was wearing shoes much bigger than her real size.

 

[JnRyan]

It definitely could be a woman. The back of poi look very grateful, she was wearing shoes much bigger than her real size.

Again, those could be shoe covers like they wear in surgical areas. If I remember correctly the dog did not track them down the street, but to the edge of the apartment complex where they cut across empty lots staying off the streets and sidewalks. They would only have to look inconspicuous while going through the complex. That's probably what the 30 seconds was in the car - looking to see who was outside. As they went through the lots they could remove the shoe covers and hairnet.

 

[marable]

I read an article several years(don't know where) ago about the dog tracking back to Jennifers apartment from the HOTG, a Bloodhound expert said that he thought the dog was tracking Jennifer's scent as well as the poi's scent as the poi had been in Jennifers' car and the scents were intermingled....it would seem that perhaps the poi came and went through the hole in the fence near Jennifer's condo....perhaps someone was waiting on what is that John Young Parkway(I forgot what road ran along beside the condo's)..

 

[shelly111]

I am trying to think about different theories I believe Jennifer was abducted at night. The poi had keys and he surprised her in the apt.
After jeniffer ended the conversation with Rob she decided to take a shower,she was all day at work and very tired when she came home. She woke up really early that morning, a long drive 3-4 hours from Rob house to her work.
I think there is a possibility the poi surprised her while she took a shower. That's why the pajamas and clothes on the floor , wet towel on the dryer. ..
He could have used cholorform or etherd to knock her down and she was not able to fight. In the 2-3 minutes it took him to carry her to his truck he knew chances someone would see him are slim.
This person is very calculated and he wouldn't risk taking her in the morning. Some of the workers are out early in the morning. Too risky.
The time of the abduction is around the time Jennifer's phone was disabled.
It happened around 10:40 at night

 

[shelly111]

I am trying to think about different theories I believe Jennifer was abducted at night. The poi had keys and he surprised her in the apt.
After jeniffer ended the conversation with Rob she decided to take a shower.She woke upearly that morning a long drive 3-4 hours from Rob house to her work .
she was tired after all day at work.
I think there is a possibility the poi surprised her while she took a shower. That's why the pajamas and clothes on the floor , wet towel on the dryer. ..
He could have used cholorform or etherd to knock her down and she was not able to fight. In the 2-3 minutes it took him to carry her to his truck he knew chances someone would see him are slim.
This person is very calculated and he wouldn't risk taking her in the morning. Some of the workers are out early in the morning. Too risky.
The time of the abduction is around the time Jennifer's phone was disabled.
It happened around 10:40 at night

 

[shelly111]

He returned later that night when it is still dark , probably before 5-6 in the morning, he cleaned the apt took some items the two phones,briefcase her purse. Make it looks like jennifer left to work. He took her car to his house. At around noon he drove the car to HOG ,
but not before he he made sure no evidence is left behind, wiping and cleaning the car.
The reason I don't believe Jennifer was abducted outside the apt because if this is the case how would he have the two phones?
Even if Jennifer went few minutes to her car, let's say she forgot her phone charger and decided to go to get it, she will not take the two phones with her. If at all she will take her phone just in case for safety.
Jennifer said she will mail the phone the next day from work. whether Jennifer went out that night out of her complex or whether she just went to her car, she wouldn't take two phones .
He was inside the apt that's how the two phones ended up missing.
The common theory that she was abducted in the morning on her way to work and she had the briefcas and two phones with her...I don't believe that's what happenned. If the abduction happenned the morning there would be signs of struggle by her car and he wouldn't take the time to pick up the scattering things. People can see or hear something, the workers are early out,there is light . The main thing it all happenned at night is because the phone was disarmed at night. After he abduct Jennifer he took out the battery from her phone and throw the phone before going to his house so the pings will not indicate his location.

 

[marable]

I agree with you Shelly, it would have been too risky to abduct Jennifer in the morning on her way to work, too many workers getting ready for work...Also , the landscapers per Drew Kesse were always there by 7:30 am on Tuesdays and did not see Jennifer or her car...Some say, they may not have noticed....I think they would be accustomed to seeing Jennifer as she left for work....

Whatever the sequence of events, I feel that Jennifer's abduction took place right after the conversation with Rob....If someone had a key, they could have let themselves in before Jennifer arrived from work and hid in a closet until the call with Rob ended....There again, who had access to Jennifers apartment key? Really any number of people because the locks had not been changed in the two months that she lived there....Could she have been mistaken for a previous renter/owner of that apartment? Was it a Mosaic worker who had a key? Or, could a coworker have taken Jennifer's keys on her desk while she was at a meeting and had keys made for himself....Did Westgate have their own key making device on site?

Jennifer was possibly a little careless due to being tired and did not set her security alarm when she went to shower or to bed that night....I have often wondered if the security alarm was set at her apartment when the managers made their "wellness check" at the request of the Kesse's as they were driving toward Jennifers place....If this security alarm was not set, to me it means either she was indeed abducted as she was leaving that morning before she had time to set the alarm or she was taken out of her apartment by someone who did not know the code or did not want to take the time to set the alarm....

I think that it was usual for Jennifer to leave her PJ's in the floor after showering....I think she probably showered the night before because she had had a long day , driving from Fort Lauderdale straight to work...she might have thought she could have slept a little later on Tuesday morning if she showered the night before...

I don't think that the POI's ever thought that the Kesse's would have responded as quickly as they did, they were counting on more time to abduct Jennifer, do whatever, get her hidden, return to her apartment to check for for missed evidence, make it look like she got up and went to work that morning...

Could the POI we see on the video have driven Jennifer's car to or near to her condo , perhaps noticed Logan running around wanting to look in the van there...OR...could the men that Logan approached in the van at the Mosaic have called the POI we see parking and then sitting in Jennifer's car for 32 sec, telling him to park it at the HOTG and not bring it back to the Mosaic as planned? Was Jennifer in that van afterall?

 

[marable]

I think that Jennifer had the brothers' friends phone in her briefcase to take to work with her the next morning along with her favorite snakeskin pumps she loved(she wore flip flops to and from her car to keep from scuffing her dress shoes).

The things in her briefcase (phone, shoes, wallet, etc) her necklace she always wore were kept by the POI as a trophy. He has definitely done this before, he is a master at it., he is cool and confident...no witnesses, no evidence left to speak of, drove his victims car within a mile or so of her home, sat in it after parking it, come on, who does things like this???? Not an amateur for sure.....Who knows, this person may have an area near the Mosaic where he takes all of his victims....

 

[shelly111]

Marable, I agree with all you said.
There is no way the workers wouldn't remember Jennifer that morning . Jennifer is tall blonde and beautiful ,it's hard not to noticed her . The workers used to stare at her and they would remember seeing 'her in the morning. One of the problems of this case is so many people knew Jennifer lived by herself. Iam sure at her work they knew she just bought a new condo ,that she lived alone. Most likely they knew her boyfriend lived far away. In the Mosaic people saw her all the time alone and in the weekeneds her car was not there when she went to her boyfriend. the abductor visited her apt while she was at work and in the weekends. also before the complex become mosaic it was all rental units and the management people had keys to the different apts and no one kept track who got keys to which apt. so basically it was very easy to follow jennifer and no one would know it.
he most likely parked his car at another building in mosaic and just walked to her apt.

 

[marable]

Shelly,

Have you ever thought about why Tuesday the 24 th, the next day after she returns from her St. Croix trip....we think that this was a well planned abduction....if it had been a Mosaic worker what would be the connection to her trip? She drove to Fort Lauderdale so they did not see Jennifer leave the Mosaic with her boyfriend causing them to be overcome with jealousy.....the workers would not have known that Jennifer was away for the weekend with her boyfriend.....but, a coworker would have, perhaps , Jennifer in her excitement talked a lot about her planned trip...this coworker would have had from Wednesday to the following Monday when Jennifer returned to work to stew about her going away with her boyfriend.....he was interested in her, had asked her out, she had rejected his advances because she did not want to become involved with a coworker.. Perhaps he was angry, maybe he was jealous of her promotions, he may have thought in his mind if he could not have her, no one was going to have her....Perhaps he felt that she was on the verge of discovering something that he was doing at the company that would have gotten him fired and he had to stop her.....

 

[JnRyan]

Shelly,

Have you ever thought about why Tuesday the 24 th, the next day after she returns from her St. Croix trip....we think that this was a well planned abduction....if it had been a Mosaic worker what would be the connection to her trip? She drove to Fort Lauderdale so they did not see Jennifer leave the Mosaic with her boyfriend causing them to be overcome with jealousy.....the workers would not have known that Jennifer was away for the weekend with her boyfriend.....but, a coworker would have, perhaps , Jennifer in her excitement talked a lot about her planned trip...this coworker would have had from Wednesday to the following Monday when Jennifer returned to work to stew about her going away with her boyfriend.....he was interested in her, had asked her out, she had rejected his advances because she did not want to become involved with a coworker.. Perhaps he was angry, maybe he was jealous of her promotions, he may have thought in his mind if he could not have her, no one was going to have her....Perhaps he felt that she was on the verge of discovering something that he was doing at the company that would have gotten him fired and he had to stop her.....

One of the most vulnerable times for someone is when they are going to their vehicle, so it would seem logical that's where the abduction occurred. But I look at the Jodi Huisentruit case where she abducted at her car and evidence was there - her keys and other personal items. In this case, there is nothing. So either that is one cool and confident abductor that would take the time to clean that up OR she was taken from her condo the night before. If she is taken at her car it explains why her briefcase - with the cell phone she was to FedEx - and purse are gone. The down side to that some of the workers might have been there and could have seen it or heard it or heard her scream. But that sort of thing happens all the time it spite of those risks to the abductor.

As I understand it, her phone was off at 10 PM or so that night. It happened then in the condo? With all the work on the condos there is a chance someone else had a key if Jennifer's condo had been renovated before she went in they could have come in that night. I doubt they were hiding and waiting. That's a long wait to 10 PM. (Were either of the condos to either side vacant? If they had a key to her place they could have had one to adjacent condo where they could listened for water running and made their move.) But if it happened at night why is the briefcase, purse and phone missing? Something in the purse or briefcase was also an objective? That could mean a professional job - i.e., someone hired to obtain that item and take out Jennifer. As you point out, the timing makes it look like someone who knew she was returning that day.

 

[marable]

When I think of Jennifer being abducted just outside of her apartment or her car, I compare it to Jodi Huisentruit and other Discovery ID episodes where people were abducted at their car....a lot of the time, something is found there at the car....imagine yourself in a situation like that.....I probably would have been swinging that briefcase, keys whatever.....I agree the POI surely would not have taken the time to pick the stuff up....perhaps, if this did happen the briefcase remained intact....of course as you say the Mosaic workers could have picked up any evidence....I just think that it happened at night when the Mosaic was the quietest...which leads me to think that this was a professional job or hit....

Could it have happened when it did because the POI suspected that Jennifer might be leaving the area and they decided to act quickly, right after her return from her vacation?

I thought of something yesterday....What about Rob Allen's associations, the Kesse's cared a lot for him ...But, what if he had angered someone and was getting back at him by abducting Jennifer? Did someone follow Jennifer from Fort Lauderdale the day, Monday , that she returned from her vacation... There are all sorts of "nutjobs" out there....Could she have been given something by Rob while she was in Fort Lauderdale that someone at the pub wanted? Rob was divorced, could an ex wife or girlfriend have been jealous of Jennifer...the POI parking Jennifer's car could be a woman, something is just off about that POI to me....Can't decide if the POI is male or female....I do believe that they are dressed in a way that would disguise the way that they usually look....

Could Logan and his friends have angered someone while they were staying at Jennifer's apartment while she was on vacation?

The timing is important here I believe, but the big issue is why?

 

[shelly111]

I just don't see how Jennifer could have been abducted in the morning.If he forced Jennifer to her car Jennifer would put up a fight,she was tall athletic body.strong woman. Someone would see or hear a commotion. Also in the morning a neighbor could see him inside Jennifer's car. people knew her car .The other possibility is he forced Jennifer to his truck but the problem is high chance someone will see his car parking there . The workers or neighbors will remember a new car parking close to jennifer's car , unless he worked there and they used to see his truck but he would have to come later that day to move Jennifer's car . To do all these in the morning is very high risk. On the other hand,he could have done all of these at night and not being noticed . A small chance someone will see him.

 

[JnRyan]

I just don't see how Jennifer could have been abducted in the morning.If he forced Jennifer to her car Jennifer would put up a fight,she was tall athletic body.strong woman. Someone would see or hear a commotion. Also in the morning a neighbor could see him inside Jennifer's car. people knew her car .The other possibility is he forced Jennifer to his truck but the problem is high chance someone will see his car parking there . The workers or neighbors will remember a new car parking close to jennifer's car , unless he worked there and they used to see his truck but he would have to come later that day to move Jennifer's car . To do all these in the morning is very high risk. On the other hand,he could have done all of these at night and not being noticed . A small chance someone will see him.

I see downsides to both. Abduction at her car is risky, but it is done all the time. There was a video last year of an abduction of a lady right off the street (Philadelphia). He drove up and snatched her and there was witness a block away on the video that just froze. And it happened FAST and I don't believe she even had time to scream. It is still done by abductors successfully. A taser, mace or a quick blow to the side of head can temporarily make it easier to snatch someone. And I believe whoever did this for whatever motive planned it in advance.

Abduction at night. Going after someone in the apartment at night. If you go in through the door you don't where they are in the condo or what they are doing. You may have to chase them while they are screaming. You risk them running into a room and locking themselves in while calling 911. And how do you know if the alarm hasn't been set. A gun may mitigate this, but it is still risky dealing with a panicked individual. Waiting inside cuts down that risk, but there is the risk of being discovered and caught off guard. But again you still have to get in and hope the alarm hasn't been set.

I find both equally risky. If it happened at night in the condo, why take BOTH phones? Again, unless the briefcase and purse were part of the objective the cell phone to be shipped might have been in the briefcase. And weren't a favorite pair of her shoes missing? Ones she would worn at work? If the briefcase/purse were the target I agree this seems to be a professional job and not like a sexual predator.

There is also the chance that she changed her mind about shipping the phone from work and decided to do it that night and something happened then. But that seems unlikely past 10 PM, but it would be something to consider. (She wouldn't likely have her briefcase, though. Unless the abductor was a professional and went back to retrieve in the early morning hours.) There is also the possibility that it happened that morning on the way to work if she had been watched and they knew a particular stop she liked to make. But that comes with a whole new set of risks not to mention that she might not stop.

Motive? Means? Opportunity? I don't believe anyone in LE has been able to nail down any one of the three.

 

[Jennibee]

I have always believed that Jennifer was taken in the morning and it was the work of two people. One covered her mouth to stifle screams, the other ensured she was placed into another vehicle quickly. They got lucky and no one seen or heard anything, IMO


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[1911ss]

I have always believed that Jennifer was taken in the morning and it was the work of two people. One covered her mouth to stifle screams, the other ensured she was placed into another vehicle quickly. They got lucky and no one seen or heard anything, IMO


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That's what I believe as well

 

[shelly111]

After 10 pm the cell phone was disabled.The battery didn't just die it was removed. Why would Jennifer removes the battery before going to bed ?
It happened in a struggle,he intentionally disabled the phone. He could have thrown away the phones or keep them without the batteries ,that way they can't ping and show his location.

 

[marable]

Shelly,

Her family I believe stated that Jennifer used her phone as her alarm clock....so why on earth would she remove the battery at 10 pm if she depended on the phone waking her up in the morning? Aren't her contacts missing as well? I think that I read that....that would mean either she had not taken her contacts out on Monday night OR she put them in on Tuesday morning....

I just think that she was abducted the night before due to the phone battery removed and less chance of witnesses.

It smacks of a professional abduction but why? Was the POI looking for information involving Westgate Resorts? Was it just a crime of passion by an obsessed coworker?

 

[shelly111]

marable
,i never knew jenifer used her phone as an alarm clock that's only make my belief stronger that jennifer was taken at night. There was no reasn for her to take the phone battery out.
Iam a little baffled why her contacts are missing. maybe after she talked to Rob , she was watching tv and she was going to remove the contacts before sleeping OR she went somewhere that night.