Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #3

[cyberborg]

Can you elaborate on the truth and still call it the truth? The facts are facts and the truth is the truth and since we do not have all the facts how do we know for certain if we know the truth? LE definitely knows more than we do and they have not revealed their investigation to ANYONE yet. So all close sources with hearsay should be ignored and the facts followed without any distractions. It seems to me that PCSO has finally gotten this ideology down NOW and could be very close to solving this case.

The 'truth' or 'facts' do need to fit together into a timeline from when HaLeigh was collected from school until the 'parents' called 911. It is obvious that 'inconsistencies', as widely reported as well as LE's physical evidence as widely reported show Misty's story is not completely true. Why?

While we don't publicly know it all -- LE indicate that they don't have the 'complete' supportable truth from Misty.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/10/24/news/news01.txt

"I agree with law enforcement 100 percent," Miller said. "Misty does hold the key into Haleigh's disappearance and has information that could bring this case to a close. Who she's protecting? Who knows yet, but I'm sure the day will come that we will find out."

 

[Donjeta]

I don't know about the McCann case but there were a few sightings and even portraits of possible perps. At least there was a bushy-haired fellow.

 

[Flossie JMO]

Maybe so but I personally don't need a machine.

That together with the comparison of Misty's 911 calls and to the Somer case have made my convictions and reservations about Misty even stronger.

Fool us once........

911 calls can be very deceiving, I don't believe people can know for sure by listening to a call jmo

 

[cyberborg]

I believe hearsay is often quite useful in solving crimes, even if it doesn't hold in court.

IMO you can elaborate on the truth and still have it stay the truth. If you're asked to describe what you did yesterday, you can tell the truth in several different ways. You can tell the short, sketchy version: "I was in the mall in the morning, and later I did some cleaning and watched the television." If it's true you can easily add more detail when questioned. You can tell which shops you visited, what you bought, who you were with, if you talked with anybody, which route you took to get there. Maybe you stopped for gas or to have lunch at McDonalds. Maybe you saw someone you know on the way, maybe you heard something interesting on the car radio. You can tell which rooms you cleaned and if you threw away anything that would be recognizable in your trash. You can tell which programs you watched and also remember to list the phonecalls you got or made in the evening. You remember what you had for dinner and what your children told you about their day, etc. There is lots of true detail.

Exactly!!!! Precisely!!! Perfect!

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Which can build confidence in the story and the storyteller .... where added details can be verified or make sense [fit into the puzzle].

[Obviously the A's went to the other extreme with TMI when telling mistruths but it did not stand scrutiny.]

 

[cyberborg]

911 calls can be very deceiving, I don't believe people can know for sure by listening to a call jmo

In isolation, I agree. With other important facts .... it is a part / factor like a curcumstantial evidence case. It all adds up.

 

[texasmommy39]

I hope you're right. I just can't be equally optimistic because IMO it's easier to hide a dead body than a living child. Not that I've ever done either but once they're dead children don't make noise or require food, clothing, or medicine, they take up less space, they can be put in the water, underground, in the trashcan, they can be burned or cut to small bits. There are still places that haven't been searched where a dead child's remains could be.

And you believe that a non stranger did this to HaLeigh? IMO Haleigh was not taken and killed by anyone in her family, but, would be hid and cared for! It sickens me to think that so many want to believe this child is dead and it at the hands of Misty and or Ronald. Every other child that has came up missing aside from adji has been found and yes I know Cayley (sp) took 6 months, but, I do believe there is more to that story than I care to know and discuss without having followed that case.

 

[Malesherbes]

And you believe that a non stranger did this to HaLeigh? IMO Haleigh was not taken and killed by anyone in her family, but, would be hid and cared for! It sickens me to think that so many want this child dead and it at the hands of Misty and or Ronald. Every other child that has came up missing aside from adji has been found and yes I know Cayley (sp) took 6 months, but, I do believe there is more to that story than I care to know and discuss without having followed that case.

Nobody wants the child dead but to sit and pretend its not an option is not responsible- It is sadly an option no one wants- And Adji has not been found-

 

[Flossie JMO]

In isolation, I agree. With other important facts .... it is a part / factor like a curcumstantial evidence case. It all adds up.

I can see what you mean, for me the family abduction adds up.

 

[curvecuti]

I found this interesting.
SNIP~

Advocates for missing children would like to see all cases get the attention that high-profile incidents receive, but the vast majority of abduction cases go relatively unnoticed.

"News directors are first and foremost looking for news," Ernie Allen, president and CEO of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, told Court TV. "So if you look at the recent cases that have gotten so much attention ... those children disappeared from their homes and their own beds. It is a scenario that absolutely terrifies every parent. Thus, it's news."
"All kidnappings are local events," said Klaas, who founded the Klaas Kids Foundation after his 12-year-old daughter, Polly, was kidnapped and murdered in 1993. "You don't turn your back on your local media in an attempt to get more national publicity. As good as he is, Larry King is not going to be around when your story stops making headlines."

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http://codeamber.org/about.php#

 

[Donjeta]

And you believe that a non stranger did this to HaLeigh? IMO Haleigh was not taken and killed by anyone in her family, but, would be hid and cared for! It sickens me to think that so many want this child dead and it at the hands of Misty and or Ronald. Every other child that has came up missing aside from adji has been found and yes I know Cayley (sp) took 6 months, but, I do believe there is more to that story than I care to know and discuss without having followed that case.

IMO it's a bit unfair to say anybody wants this child dead. However, I'll admit that it seems the most likely option to me, IMO. If she's dead, for any reason, and Misty knows it but doesn't want other people to know, it would explain why she lied.

Haleigh was only five so it excludes a lot of the likely options for an alive missing person. She didn't run off on her own to live with a boyfriend in Hollywood. If she ran off on her own and got lost she either died or found someone to take care of her and it seems unlikely that she'd have found the only person in Putnam county to not report having found a missing child. If she was abducted by a pedophile she's likely dead by now, although the Jaycee Dugard case gives some hope.

If she was abducted by a family member she might be alive but I'm sure LE has looked at the likely family members and people might notice if they suddenly acted strange, hiding a child. I don't really understand what the motive for a family abduction would be because the brother was left behind. Apparently it is not about Crystal getting custody because it has not been sought very aggressively. Who knows, people are mad sometimes. It's possible but it does not seem very likely to me.

 

[texasmommy39]

Nobody wants the child dead but to sit and pretend its not an option is not responsible- It is sadly an option no one wants- And Adji has not been found-

I do not believe I am pretending nor anyone else that holds to the belief that HaLeigh is still alive nor do I find it irresponsible. I did say Adji has not been found. I pray he is also found soon and closure given to his family as well.

 

[texasmommy39]

IMO it's a bit unfair to say anybody wants this child dead. However, I'll admit that it seems the most likely option to me, IMO. If she's dead, for any reason, and Misty knows it but doesn't want other people to know, it would explain why she lied.

Haleigh was only five so it excludes a lot of the likely options for an alive missing person. She didn't run off on her own to live with a boyfriend in Hollywood. If she ran off on her own and got lost she either died or found someone to take care of her and it seems unlikely that she'd have found the only person in Putnam county to not report having found a missing child. If she was abducted by a pedophile she's likely dead by now, although the Jaycee Dugard case gives some hope.

If she was abducted by a family member she might be alive but I'm sure LE has looked at the likely family members and people might notice if they suddenly acted strange, hiding a child. I don't really understand what the motive for a family abduction would be because the brother was left behind. Apparently it is not about Crystal getting custody because it has not been sought very aggressively. Who knows, people are mad sometimes. It's possible but it does not seem very likely to me.

IMO the search for HaLeigh has definitely ruled out the likelihood that HaLeigh was killed in the MH or near by and was hidden nearby or removed in a vehicle after the police did vehicle checks as cars travelled in and out on the main road in to the neighborhood. Also LE is still investigating this as an abduction and has stated recently they still believe what they believed the first day HaLeigh was abducted from the mobile home. They have followed with it was not a stranger abduction but have not named a suspect nor cleared the families. I have to wonder why if PCSO did everything that every other LE agency has done to find the other children that have came up missing since Haleigh why did they not find HaLeigh? After 8+ months and close to 5,0000 tips vetted PCSO has not found HaLeigh. Cobra did not find Haleigh anywhere in the underbelly of satsuma. TM did not find HaLeigh by befriending Misty and misleading the Cummings family. Why can no one find HaLeigh. I am sure Putnam County has been on alert for this child and every citizen has looked in their own back yards and we have had the whole summer of out door activities to discover her, but, no ....... NO HaLeigh has been found.

 

[kiki the parrot]

If all Misty was guilty of was failing to lock the door, LE wouldn't be calling her stories farcical, and totally unbelievable. To suggest or rather outright accuse others of wanting Haleigh dead because the facts have led them in another direction, they have another theory or don't share the same optimism is frankly offensive.

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[Malesherbes]

IMO the search for HaLeigh has definitely ruled out the likelihood that HaLeigh was killed in the MH or near by

A soft kill is not going to leave much evidence- either is an overdose, or an injury the child could have sustained after she got home- jmo

 

[Baxter]

It is MO that this was a relationship and a step beyond babysitting. I am not sure at this time really how to interpret the fact that Misty's phone was turned off or if it could of very well have went dead (battery) and Misty placed it on a charger and when on and did what she felt she needed to get done before she her self crawled into bed. It is subjective and open to interpretation at this point without confirmation from LE as to the truth behind her actions and the phone.

If Misty placed her phone on a charger it would ring and ping immediately.

 

[cyberborg]

IMO the search for HaLeigh has definitely ruled out the likelihood that HaLeigh was killed in the MH or near by and was hidden nearby or removed in a vehicle after the police did vehicle checks as cars travelled in and out on the main road in to the neighborhood. Also LE is still investigating this as an abduction and has stated recently they still believe what they believed the first day HaLeigh was abducted from the mobile home. They have followed with it was not a stranger abduction but have not named a suspect nor cleared the families. I have to wonder why if PCSO did everything that every other LE agency has done to find the other children that have came up missing since Haleigh why did they not find HaLeigh? After 8+ months and close to 5,0000 tips vetted PCSO has not found HaLeigh. Cobra did not find Haleigh anywhere in the underbelly of satsuma. TM did not find HaLeigh by befriending Misty and misleading the Cummings family. Why can no one find HaLeigh. I am sure Putnam County has been on alert for this child and every citizen has looked in their own back yards and we have had the whole summer of out door activities to discover her, but, no ....... NO HaLeigh has been found.

I would just contrast that Caylee was found just over a block away from her own home!!! All sorts of people including Casey's former schoolfriends, Anthony supporters, the meter reader, LE, TES searchers and, PI had all un-successfully searched the area for weeks / months.

It was only finally when the skull appeared (sorry) that the remains were recognized of those of a small human and Caylee was found. What was left of her was under a palmetto and the rest scattered. Were it not for the skull, given Caylee's skeletonized remains that were so spread across an acre she quite easily may have never been found. Ever.

[sorry to be so graphic]

HaLeigh may never be found but as TM states, Miller said. "Misty does hold the key into Haleigh's disappearance and has information that could bring this case to a close. Who she's protecting? Who knows yet, but I'm sure the day will come that we will find out."

 

[azwriter]

I believe hearsay is often quite useful in solving crimes, even if it doesn't hold in court.

IMO you can elaborate on the truth and still have it stay the truth. If you're asked to describe what you did yesterday, you can tell the truth in several different ways. You can tell the short, sketchy version: "I was in the mall in the morning, and later I did some cleaning and watched the television." If it's true you can easily add more detail when questioned. You can tell which shops you visited, what you bought, who you were with, if you talked with anybody, which route you took to get there. Maybe you stopped for gas or to have lunch at McDonalds. Maybe you saw someone you know on the way, maybe you heard something interesting on the car radio. You can tell which rooms you cleaned and if you threw away anything that would be recognizable in your trash. You can tell which programs you watched and also remember to list the phonecalls you got or made in the evening. You remember what you had for dinner and what your children told you about their day, etc. There is lots of true detail.

Donjeta, I'm impressed with to your generic examples of what a witness could provide when questioned. But let's be specific, especially in Misty's case.
We have no way of knowing what her entire statements were of the day of, and the days proceeding Haleigh's disappearance.
I would hope that LE carefully went over the 3-day party time that she was part of the weekend before Haleigh went missing from the motor home. Who she was with; what they did; any interaction that might have caused friction between Misty and other weekend participants, would be very important evidence. Perhaps a suspect could be culled from who she was surrounded by the days she was absent from Ron's home.
Of couse we don't know any of this. Not a word. But with your guildelines, I think that the more that is know about those 3 days, the more clues could be uncovered if Haliegh was indeed taken from the home while Misty slept.

 

[texasmommy39]

"It sickens me to think that so many want this child dead and it at the hands of Misty and or Ronald."
How is this offensive? Maybe I should add with out all the facts and IMO. Would that help?
ETA: OH I see what is offensive the word want. I do believe that believe is the political correct word to use sorry. I have corrected my comment.TYI

 

[cyberborg]

I do not believe I am pretending nor anyone else that holds to the belief that HaLeigh is still alive nor do I find it irresponsible. I did say Adji has not been found. I pray he is also found soon and closure given to his family as well.

I can respect that as long as posters also respect other opinions and beliefs that HaLeigh met her demise and not suggest those people want her dead. Furthest from the truth.

This is all about analysis of a complex problem with few facts but lots of indicators and those with certain beliefs or hopes are going to have the data fit their comfort zone and vice-versa until proven otherwise. That's fine. That's life.

I very much respect your belief but this is sorta/kinda like debating religion or politics, it is hard/impossible to convince someone from what they believe because 'it is what they believe' but you still have to understand there are other beliefs and respect them accordingly -- not lash out because it offends your sensitivities. We both have to accept there is another possibility.

I don't like to believe what I believe of Misty, Ron, TN and for, HaLeigh but I am an adult that did my own analysis and reached my own opinion and I do not have the glass is half full view. I am an analyst. :twocents:

 

[Donjeta]

IMO, it's the word WANT that's the problem. It makes the sentence untrue, IMO.