Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #3

[PorcineGranny]

This was in response to a post in the Crystal Thread
Allright I have a plug and a charging battery.
First my response to do I think Crystal planned the abduction is yes, to some degree. My theory is Crystal definatly did not like the idea of Misty in the picture. I Have assumed it was not due to Misty's age The indicating factor that has me is the actions taken and prompted by Connie Sheffield in November. (picture taken of Haleighs school injuries) I am not going to say I would even consider the conversation that took place as they where taking these pictures,but, can not help but understand the gravity of the precieved injuries and the fact that it was not addressed at the time (because I beleive they knew the where school injuries and didn't count on the Cummings taking photos also)but held on to. To me that indicates premeditation of need for the future. Crystal's first statements where Ron WAS A GOOD FATHER AND HE LOVED HIS CHILDREN. This does not add up, but, add in the fact she went on to create as many diversions with alligations she could.
The argument about the forseen donation........... The Anthoney case was educational to say the least on how to make a profit of a missing child. Johnny Sheffield made refrence to Caylee the 3rd day HaLeigh was missing.
How much $ does it take to care for a 5 year old that is in hidding. I am sure donated money could and or has taken care of her. Money was going to a whole lot of people in this childs name and no accountability has yet been seen.If she would of one custody of Jr. and Haleigh ahd resurfaced she would have grounds to get custody of HaLeigh and no more $ will she owe. It is my theory and or opinion and hope it does not offend anyone.
ETA ost was deleted from the Crystal thread Thank goodness I saved. Sorry TG

I just have to disagree, I do Not think Crystal planned an abduction of Haleigh, if for no other reason that her life at that time was very full. She had a new baby, she had a relationship with someone else and its just bizarre that anyone would think she is paying an accomplice to take care of Haliegh in order to keep her from Ron. I tell ya, if I was Crystal I would take Jr. and run to the underground and keep him hidden, but I don't believe that has crossed her mind. These are my opinions

 

[Annie]

I think it is interesting that two of the people who allegedly partied with Misty that weekend, Christina Prevatt (Nay Nay) and Amber Brooks, have both been arrested on other charges and were not bailed out immediately like they have been on other occasions. It may have no ties at all to this case, but it raised some red flags for me. I hope if they know anything about what went down that day, they both are doing a lot of talking.

 

[Malesherbes]

I just have to disagree, I do Not think Crystal planned an abduction of Haleigh, if for no other reason that her life at that time was very full. She had a new baby, she had a relationship with someone else and its just bizarre that anyone would think she is paying an accomplice to take care of Haliegh in order to keep her from Ron. I tell ya, if I was Crystal I would take Jr. and run to the underground and keep him hidden, but I don't believe that has crossed her mind. These are my opinions

Well, we know that Crystal is not a suspect, so I disagree too- Why would Crystal go from not paying anything to having to provide everything for a child with medical problems- would have been cheaper to just pay support.

jmo

 

[elle1919]

I think it is interesting that two of the people who allegedly partied with Misty that weekend, Christina Prevatt (Nay Nay) and Amber Brooks, have both been arrested on other charges and were not bailed out immediately like they have been on other occasions. It may have no ties at all to this case, but it raised some red flags for me. I hope if they know anything about what went down that day, they both are doing a lot of talking.

I thought Cobra had something to do with the reason they were out so quickly early on in the case. I could be mis-remembering that though. Do we know who bailed them out before? And if it was Cobra, then I think he might have thought he could gain some info by getting them out and getting them talking. If they are back in now...maybe there is nothing to be gained in regards to Haleigh.

 

[lil momma]

I think it is interesting that two of the people who allegedly partied with Misty that weekend, Christina Prevatt (Nay Nay) and Amber Brooks, have both been arrested on other charges and were not bailed out immediately like they have been on other occasions. It may have no ties at all to this case, but it raised some red flags for me. I hope if they know anything about what went down that day, they both are doing a lot of talking.

Hi Annie!

I was going to ask you if they were in jail currently, but i went and looked it up. Good Find! I didn't know these two were back in jail. I am wondering if LE is going to question them about that weekend they spent with MC.

AB has been in jail since 8/15
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=755885&IMG=56921


NayNay has been in jail since 8/11
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=755794&IMG=37631

 

[Flossie JMO]

This was in response to a post in the Crystal Thread
Allright I have a plug and a charging battery.
First my response to do I think Crystal planned the abduction is yes, to some degree. My theory is Crystal definatly did not like the idea of Misty in the picture. I Have assumed it was not due to Misty's age The indicating factor that has me is the actions taken and prompted by Connie Sheffield in November. (picture taken of Haleighs school injuries) I am not going to say I would even consider the conversation that took place as they where taking these pictures,but, can not help but understand the gravity of the precieved injuries and the fact that it was not addressed at the time (because I beleive they knew the where school injuries and didn't count on the Cummings taking photos also)but held on to. To me that indicates premeditation of need for the future. Crystal's first statements where Ron WAS A GOOD FATHER AND HE LOVED HIS CHILDREN. This does not add up, but, add in the fact she went on to create as many diversions with alligations she could.
The argument about the forseen donation........... The Anthoney case was educational to say the least on how to make a profit of a missing child. Johnny Sheffield made refrence to Caylee the 3rd day HaLeigh was missing.
How much $ does it take to care for a 5 year old that is in hidding. I am sure donated money could and or has taken care of her. Money was going to a whole lot of people in this childs name and no accountability has yet been seen.If she would of one custody of Jr. and Haleigh ahd resurfaced she would have grounds to get custody of HaLeigh and no more $ will she owe. It is my theory and or opinion and hope it does not offend anyone.
ETA ost was deleted from the Crystal thread Thank goodness I saved. Sorry TG

Interesting post, I can see several parts being factors, except I don't think it was Crystal who planned it.

 

[Blackwatch]

I think it is interesting that two of the people who allegedly partied with Misty that weekend, Christina Prevatt (Nay Nay) and Amber Brooks, have both been arrested on other charges and were not bailed out immediately like they have been on other occasions. It may have no ties at all to this case, but it raised some red flags for me. I hope if they know anything about what went down that day, they both are doing a lot of talking.

The words "protective custody" are flitting through my mind. Could be wrong, only my opinion.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I've always believed MC left, in which case she's likely never quite summoned the courage to admit tbat to RC. Just unsure whether this is the extent of negligence ie someone planned to get her out of the house, or just figured out that Misty was leaving and she returned after partying eg to find Haleigh gone; or if Misty may have played some greater role ie upon returning, either harmed Haleigh, or found her deceased from some further negligence so covered up.

I tend to believe the former. That she wasn't directly involved beyond leaving Haleigh and Jr defenseless in the home, thus why she was able to do as well as she did IIRC on poly. But I doubt what's troubling LE is MC's inability to simply fill in gaps between drifting off peacefully after cookies w a bedtime story, and later awakening. It still troubles me re the yelling heard an hour or so before RC is due home. IMO there are two likely explanations for this. In either scenario, MC times her return home in order to be back just before RC, at which time the yelling from the area of the MH is reportedly heard by a neighbor.

In Scenario A, the yelling could be Misty screaming at Haleigh (for bedwetting eg) and things go quickly south from there.

In Scenario B, the hollering could be Misty yelling in and around the MH for Haleigh who has vanished during her absence.

It has never been difficult for me to imagine Ron leaving Misty w/out a front door key thinking this alone would prevent her from leaving; nor has it ever been much of a stretch to imagine Misty then w/out the option of otherwise locking front door, simply locking front door from inside and slipping out rear door, leaving it unlocked, for a few hours of partying before daddy returns figuring no one would ever be the wiser... which would still leave LE to puzzle out who actually took Haleigh.

Someone who either knew her patterns, had inside info she was gone that evening or was even instrumental in getting her to leave the house but whom I suspect just knew--either by word of mouth, scouting out her habits, or likely by having seen her occupied elsewhere that nite--that Haleigh and Jr. would be alone in the MH that night, and so just waited... to make his move.

In which case LE's really had their work cut out for them. I've had a couple candidates I've looked at closely whom I thought might be good for it. In any case after all this time that's what little I've developed of a theory... and I'm still stickin' w it. JMHO

arrot:

 

[doobiedoo52]

Hmmm aren't naynay & the other gal back in jail? No bailouts this time from Cobra---could they be talking? Just a thought

 

[TxLady2]

I've always believed MC left, in which case she's likely never quite summoned the courage to admit tbat to RC. Just unsure whether this is the extent of negligence ie someone planned to get her out of the house, or just figured out that Misty was leaving and she returned after partying eg to find Haleigh gone; or if Misty may have played some greater role ie upon returning, either harmed Haleigh, or found her deceased from some further negligence so covered up.

I tend to believe the former. That she wasn't directly involved beyond leaving Haleigh and Jr defenseless in the home, thus why she was able to do as well as she did IIRC on poly. But I doubt what's troubling LE is MC's inability to simply fill in gaps between drifting off peacefully after cookies w a bedtime story, and later awakening. It still troubles me re the yelling heard an hour or so before RC is due home. IMO there are two likely explanations for this. In either scenario, MC times her return home in order to be back just before RC, at which time the yelling from the area of the MH is reportedly heard by a neighbor.

In Scenario A, the yelling could be Misty screaming at Haleigh (for bedwetting eg) and things go quickly south from there.

In Scenario B, the hollering could be Misty yelling in and around the MH for Haleigh who has vanished during her absence.

It has never been difficult for me to imagine Ron leaving Misty w/out a front door key thinking this alone would prevent her from leaving; nor has it ever been much of a stretch to imagine Misty then w/out the option of otherwise locking front door, simply locking front door from inside and slipping out rear door, leaving it unlocked, for a few hours of partying before daddy returns figuring no one would ever be the wiser... which would still leave LE to puzzle out who actually took Haleigh.

Someone who either knew her patterns, had inside info she was gone that evening or was even instrumental in getting her to leave the house but whom I suspect just knew--either by word of mouth, or scouting out her habits--that Haleigh and Jr. would be alone in the MH that night, and so just waited... to make his move.

In which case LE's really had their work cut out for them. I've had a couple candidates I've looked at closely whom I thought might be good for it. In any case after all this time that's what little I've developed of a theory... and I'm still stickin' w it. JMHO

arrot:

Makes sense to me.

 

[debs]

I've always believed MC left, in which case she's likely never quite summoned the courage to admit tbat to RC. Just unsure whether this is the extent of negligence ie someone planned to get her out of the house, or just figured out that Misty was leaving and she returned after partying eg to find Haleigh gone; or if Misty may have played some greater role ie upon returning, either harmed Haleigh, or found her deceased from some further negligence so covered up.
arrot:

*snipped but never to diminish*

Kiki, this is brilliant. It just truly is clearly thought out and expresses the only two possibilities with a clarity we just seem to always dance around. THANK YOU!

 

[Skully]

I think that we are making this too hard. LE said, Haleigh wasn't abducted by a Stranger. Put the period behind the word abducted.

Haleigh wasn't abducted. Not by a stranger or family member. Period.

We were supposed to think that, look at how many of us think the MH was staged, the 911 call dissected, too many stories, too many lose ends. Misty couldn't remember what Haleigh was wearing, cause too many things happened that day. Who puts the shirt at the bottom of the laundry pile? The kidnapper just doesn't change her cloths, leave a light on, leave a brick as evidence behind. No lock is forced, no one came in that MH to take her away. Someone left the MH to take her away, that means someone that lived in the MH.

I think LE and FBI think there was an accident. They covered it up. Haleigh could have eaten drugs, that could account for the cover up. Someone could have slapped her and she fell and hit her head. These two things wouldn't leave evidence of her accident or could be cleaned up. They just have to figure out how to get her to talk. She may have played a part in disposal of the body, thus she wasn't home.... if anyone spotted her, it would give them an idea where to look. Either accident would result in the loss of Jr and possible jail time for Ron.

As you can see I am over the drug dealer kidnapper theory, LOL.... JMO

 

[elle1919]

I have to say that I am really frustrated by the fact that the trailer was cleaned up before we got to see it. Why not let us see a walk-though of the mobile home as it was? Who cares if the mobile home was a mess. If it was a mess that is just another contradiction in Misty's story in my opinion. She said she was cleaning. What was she cleaning? Why was she cleaning at that hour? How could she be cleaning and be in the bed with RJ watching a video? How can Haleigh be put to bed a few feet from her and RJ which is where she said she put her right, and then also be out in the living-room watching a video?

And the pink shirt, if Misty pointed out the shirt in the laundry pile to LE then why didn't she know Haleigh didn't have it on? Did Haleigh wake up and take her pink shirt off because she wet the bed? if LE have the pink shirt now perhaps it had urine on it. I have so many questions.

 

[Skully]

Elle,

They (LE) said the psychical evidence does not support her story of the accounts of that night. I don't think they found urine on the pink shirt, the mattress, and panties in the laundry pile or the shorts. If she went to bed in any of those items and wet the bed and the blanket had to be washed because of it, then anything she had on, would have been washed as well. Why was the blanket, but not the cloths? There is a lot they know, but can't release. What ever happened, it happened early on and it happened in the home.

 

[elle1919]

Elle,

They (LE) said the psychical evidence does support her story of the accounts of that night. I don't think they found urine on the pink shirt, the mattress, and panties in the laundry pile or the shorts. If she went to bed in any of those items and wet the bed and the blanket had to be washed because of it, then anything she had on, would have been washed as well. Why was the blanket, but not the cloths? There is a lot they know, but can't release. What ever happened, it happened early on and it happened in the home.

Bern they said it DOES NOT support Misty's story of what happened in the home.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/...missing-girl-focuses-on-dad-s-then-girlfriend

at link it states the physical evidence contradicts Misty's statements. Is that what you meant?

 

[elle1919]

http://www2.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/030509_Still_no_sign_of_Haleigh

snipped for space from article above...The big reason Ronald’s Relatives were inside this home is because they wanted to look through and clean it up and get it ready for the media. They say they want to show you how she lived, and how much she was loved.

Okay so GGS cleaned up the home because she wanted us to see how Haleigh lived. In my opinion that don't make sense. If she wanted us to see how Haleigh lived then she should have left the clothes on the floor and the proof in the pudding. Why was a big clean up needed if Misty was cleaning all night. I just don't understand.

And a question related in no way to my post. Where is RC's bio father and who raised RC? GGS or TN?

 

[TxLady2]

http://www2.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/030509_Still_no_sign_of_Haleigh

snipped for space from article above...The big reason Ronald’s Relatives were inside this home is because they wanted to look through and clean it up and get it ready for the media. They say they want to show you how she lived, and how much she was loved.

Okay so GGS cleaned up the home because she wanted us to see how Haleigh lived. In my opinion that don't make sense. If she wanted us to see how Haleigh lived then she should have left the clothes on the floor and the proof in the pudding. Why was a big clean up needed if Misty was cleaning all night. I just don't understand.

And a question related in no way to my post. Where is RC's bio father and who raised RC? GGS or TN?

Have you ever been inside a home after the forensics team has done a thorough search? It's a disaster... and they are not obligated to put things back like they were. Wouldn't have been possible to see what it was like at the time Haleigh was there. GGma and TN had no choice but to clean it up a bit for the t.v. cameras.

 

[elle1919]

Have you ever been inside a home after the forensics team has done a thorough search? It's a disaster... and they are not obligated to put things back like they were. Wouldn't have been possible to see what it was like at the time Haleigh was there. GGma and TN had no choice but to clean it up a bit for the t.v. cameras.

cleaning up after a forensic team is one thing, cleaning up the mobile home and then stating that the family wanted us to see it the way it was that night is another. The two are completely different scenario's. Furthermore I understand why GGS went in and cleaned it up, if she was cleaning up after a forensic team. My point is Misty said she was cleaning that night.....so what was she cleaning?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I have to say that I am really frustrated by the fact that the trailer was cleaned up before we got to see it. Why not let us see a walk-though of the mobile home as it was? Who cares if the mobile home was a mess. If it was a mess that is just another contradiction in Misty's story in my opinion. She said she was cleaning. What was she cleaning? Why was she cleaning at that hour? How could she be cleaning and be in the bed with RJ watching a video? How can Haleigh be put to bed a few feet from her and RJ which is where she said she put her right, and then also be out in the living-room watching a video?

And the pink shirt, if Misty pointed out the shirt in the laundry pile to LE then why didn't she know Haleigh didn't have it on? Did Haleigh wake up and take her pink shirt off because she wet the bed? if LE have the pink shirt now perhaps it had urine on it. I have so many questions.

LE had the home for over 2 weeks during which time they basically trashed it and they don't stop to clean anything. This would not have been indicative of how Haleigh lived either, imo.

I fully understand why GGS cleaned the mh before cameras arrived. I would have done the same thing as her idea of clean and Misty's were probably two different things, imo. I would want the mh to look as nice as possible for national television and have never considered leaving dirty clothes on the floor or the bathrooms a mess!

Misty cleaning is not a problem for me at all. To her, cleaning may mean she put the dishes in the dishwasher and did a load of laundry not that she went through the house and did all the household chores in order for it to be actually clean, imo. Why couldn't she clean while Rj was in bed watching a video? I used to "clean" after the kids went to bed. They were not underfoot and I would tidy up the place.

My understanding is the blanket was dry, but smelled of urine from the night before and it is why she washed it, imo. The other blanket was dust covered from hanging on the window and it is why she washed it, imo. This would mean the clothing either Rj or Haleigh wore the night before should show signs of urine not necessarily the pink shirt and the clothes in the basket would not be still wet, imo. (Sometimes, the tops do not get urine on them either.) The mattress is waterproof and would not be wet either.

 

[Skully]

Bern they said it DOES NOT support Misty's story of what happened in the home.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/...missing-girl-focuses-on-dad-s-then-girlfriend

at link it states the physical evidence contradicts Misty's statements. Is that what you meant?

HUGE TYPO, I meant DOES NOT..... I will fix post. TY