Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #3

[texasmommy39]

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/world/story/1040476.html
ST. LOUIS --ST. LOUIS -- A boy allegedly abducted in a custody dispute nearly two years ago has turned up alive, hiding with his mother in a small, specially built secret room at his grandmother's Illinois home, investigators said


I like this scenario, because it provides for a happy ending, and it seems somewhat plausible.

I agree!!!!!!

 

[Donjeta]

I assume this kid was an only child and he had no brother that was left behind with dad.

 

[texasmommy39]

I would like to ask why does CS and Marie have so much information on 2/11/09 and not able to answer questions presented recently. I would of thought that they would of had those answers ecspecialy after having a pro bono lawyer working for her. Tell me someone what does body and voice analysis tell us about what someone is really saying?
http://www.foxnews.com/video/index....ralObject=3562969&referralPlaylistId=playlist

 

[MADJGNLAW]

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/world/story/1040476.html
ST. LOUIS --ST. LOUIS -- A boy allegedly abducted in a custody dispute nearly two years ago has turned up alive, hiding with his mother in a small, specially built secret room at his grandmother's Illinois home, investigators said


I like this scenario, because it provides for a happy ending, and it seems somewhat plausible.

I am glad he was found, I just pray he remains safe. I feel there was a good reason for this child to be taken and hidden. DFC is worthless in my eyes and I can see why someone would go to this length to protect a child. But this is another story. I will stick to topic. Sorry for rambling..

 

[Skully]

Here's another thing that is bugging me today. If you go back and watch her video telling how she woke up at "3" look at her face. She says I don't know I saw a 3 that's all. She did say she woke up to "pee" and she said to get a drink and she woke up and saw a "3" on the clock. Now LE check those phone records and knows the phone was shut off and turned back on at 3:10. So for 10 minutes she has not called 911 or Ron. How long does it take to see the light, see the door, go back to your room and see Haleigh missing? Not 10 minutes, try it in your home. Pretend you are seeing this for the first time. I have and it's not 10 minutes, 10 minutes is a long time when you sit and wait for those minutes to go by. Now Ron didn't get home for another 14 minutes, and still no 911 call until he told her to call. So she either came home and didn't realize she was missing until she checked on the kids rooms or something else is going on. She wouldn't commit to a solid time, but knew the time Ron came home and the 911 call was made. I am leaning towards she was out and didn't realize Haleigh was gone for a while after she got home. I say this because no laundry was done and the bed not being slept in. I think the laundry was just a story to say what she did that evening, she had to say something. Also the movie in the DVD wasn't the one she said they were watching. I don't have a link.

 

[Donjeta]

I guess if she really woke up she might have spent some time looking for Haleigh, hoping she'd find her quick before Ron comes home and she has to admit that his daughter is gone. Then she sees him in the driveway and calls him, claiming she just woke up so he wouldn't be mad why she didn't call him right away.

 

[mck16]

Here's another thing that is bugging me today. If you go back and watch her video telling how she woke up at "3" look at her face. She says I don't know I saw a 3 that's all. She did say she woke up to "pee" and she said to get a drink and she woke up and saw a "3" on the clock. Now LE check those phone records and knows the phone was shut off and turned back on at 3:10. So for 10 minutes she has not called 911 or Ron. How long does it take to see the light, see the door, go back to your room and see Haleigh missing? Not 10 minutes, try it in your home. Pretend you are seeing this for the first time. I have and it's not 10 minutes, 10 minutes is a long time when you sit and wait for those minutes to go by. So she either came home and didn't realize she was missing until she checked on the kids rooms or something else is going on. She wouldn't commit to a solid time, but knew the time Ron came home and the 911 call was made. I am leaning towards she was out and didn't realize Haleigh was gone for a while after she got home. I say this because no laundry was done and the bed not being slept in. I think the laundry was just a story to say what she did that evening, she had to say something. Also the movie in the DVD wasn't the one she said they were watching. I don't have a link.

I agree with your theory. And I think she came home just before she knew RC would be getting home. I think she did discover Haleigh was gone right before RC got home because that is when she got home. I think someone saw her out and knew the children were alone and went in and got Haleigh. Other than that nothing makes sense except Haleigh woke up and went to find MC and we don't know what happended from there.

You can substitute I just woke up for I just got home.

 

[texasmommy39]

Snipped for space.
If someone had removed a wall and torn a hole to lie in wait in he must have spent quite some time in the MH preparing and in the hideyhole waiting and would be likely to have left DNA evidence, wouldn't he?

What if they spent a little time underneth the MH and when they felt they where asleep they came up through one of those areas. They just might of been able to determine where the children where by the noise they made walking above. I would imagine it would sound differently from Misty walking around.

 

[texasmommy39]

I agree with your theory. And I think she came home just before she knew RC would be getting home. I think she did discover Haleigh was gone right before RC got home because that is when she got home. I think someone saw her out and knew the children were alone and went in and got Haleigh. Other than that nothing makes sense except Haleigh woke up and went to find MC and we don't know what happended from there.

You can substitute I just woke up for I just got home.

If someone other than the perp and Misty knows she was not in the home why wait to tell? None of the associates where with her, because they could use 35,000 right about now IMO. If her family was covering for her why continue she has thrown her own under the bus a few times in the past and they all look like they would love to and would know just how to spend that 35,000. Where would Misty be and with who that would continue to cover for her with a 35,000 reward.

 

[Donjeta]

What if they spent a little time underneth the MH and when they felt they where asleep they came up through one of those areas. They just might of been able to determine where the children where by the noise they made walking above. I would imagine it would sound differently from Misty walking around.

That's possible I guess. But did they then fix their entrance point and put everything back together like it was? That would have taken some time. If not, LE would have that evidence that someone hid there. Why haven't we heard anything about it? Didn't Misty notice that there was a wall or a part of the floor missing when she looked for Haleigh?

 

[Skully]

I agree with your theory. And I think she came home just before she knew RC would be getting home. I think she did discover Haleigh was gone right before RC got home because that is when she got home. I think someone saw her out and knew the children were alone and went in and got Haleigh. Other than that nothing makes sense except Haleigh woke up and went to find MC and we don't know what happended from there.

You can substitute I just woke up for I just got home.

I keep looking at the cast of characters that could have known she was alone. A crime is committed when there is an opportunity, means and motive. So opportunity is the kids being alone, yes?
Means is you are able to know there is the opportunity and carry it out, Yes?
Motive, well; who wanted Haleigh?

If we knew who Misty was with that night or talked too, you could narrow it down. But for now we have to guess. He brother and SIL and possibly the cousin could have known because they lived close by and they were over earlier. Unless GGS came back over after 8:30 she wouldn't know that Misty left. That includes the Aunt Lisa that come over with her. Also do they have motive, no. If Tommy and this cousin were drawn to kids, that would give motive, but we only have Misty's word that both of them messed with her. We also don't know who all was at Tommy's home that night. They could have had friends over or the cousin could have had friends in the area. So it boils down to who did Misty tell or where did she take them that night that Haleigh went missing?

 

[Donjeta]

Aunt Lisa is interesting. Why haven't we heard anything from her or about her before? What could she tell us?

 

[texasmommy39]

That's possible I guess. But did they then fix their entrance point and put everything back together like it was? That would have taken some time. If not, LE would have that evidence that someone hid there. Why haven't we heard anything about it? Didn't Misty notice that there was a wall or a part of the floor missing when she looked for Haleigh?

Why would something be missing? Why would we hear about it? The areas searched where extensively searched in TN opinion and taking into account Jr. statement it can only be assumed at this point. I beleive that LE had probable cause (the perps didn't fix something) to search those areas and they where not searching for drugs.

 

[texasmommy39]

I am glad he was found, I just pray he remains safe. I feel there was a good reason for this child to be taken and hidden. DFC is worthless in my eyes and I can see why someone would go to this length to protect a child. But this is another story. I will stick to topic. Sorry for rambling..

MADJGNLAW is it just this case or would HaLeighs case fall within those sentiments if it where found to be a parental abduction?

 

[Donjeta]

Why would something be missing? Why would we hear about it? The areas searched where extensively searched in TN opinion and taking into account Jr. statement it can only be assumed at this point. I beleive that LE had probable cause (the perps didn't fix something) to search those areas and they where not searching for drugs.

If the perp broke in through the water heater and the perp didn't fix the whatever part of the wall or the floor he broke in through, wouldn't there be a part missing that the occupants of the home would notice? I guess I'm not sure what you mean anymore.

 

[texasmommy39]

If the perp broke in through the water heater and the perp didn't fix the whatever part of the wall or the floor he broke in through, wouldn't there be a part missing that the occupants of the home would notice? I guess I'm not sure what you mean anymore.

I am saying that it must of not been noticeable until LE was in the home to do an investigation. IT would seem logical that they where working off a theory or evidence found so what do we know that has been revealed to us since that time that would lead us to believe they where looking in those areas for drugs and or illeagal items or a harmed or dead HaLeigh?

 

[Donjeta]

I am saying that it must of not been noticeable until LE was in the home to do an investigation. IT would seem logical that they where working off a theory or evidence found so what do we know that has been revealed to us since that time that would lead us to believe they where looking in those areas for drugs and or illeagal items or a harmed or dead HaLeigh?

Well, we have heard that drugs are an issue among the various acquaintance. They must have run arrest records and found that out. I would assume that looking for evidence of a harmed or dead child in all the potential places in the home is standard procedure.

 

[texasmommy39]

Well, we have heard that drugs are an issue among the various acquaintance. They must have run arrest records and found that out. I would assume that looking for evidence of a harmed or dead child in all the potential places in the home is standard procedure.

I do not deny that drugs and its abuse and use surrounds these individuals ,but, i do not believe it played a role in this other than who ever did it has a few brain cells missing if they think they are going to get away with this. As far as looking to the extent of tearing out walls is far reaching when the evidence at the time was the child was removed from the home. I am not trying to change your mind, but, share my thoughts with someone else to make some sence out all the confusion.:blowkiss:

 

[Donjeta]

It's good to share different viewpoints.

I'm not sure about far reaching, I don't think that LE likes to close their options early on. I suppose that they would try to rule out murder and accidents even if the original story is abduction, as stagings are always possible.

 

[texasmommy39]

It's good to share different viewpoints.

I'm not sure about far reaching, I don't think that LE likes to close their options early on. I suppose that they would try to rule out murder and accidents even if the original story is abduction, as stagings are always possible.

I know this has been discussed ,but, what would be the thinking behind the "staging" and what do you think was staged?