Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh? #3

[elle1919]

Bern -- the best post in this thread is your theory. I still go back to that and my original post on the steps it takes to break into the MH that night and the research, preparation and, knowledge required by a perp.

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This all gets lost and some theories just deserve their own thread to not get mixed up in all of the other random thoughts and ideas --- to benefit from a structured analysis, dissection and, conclusions.

I applaud you for your work!!!!

We need a thread for theories that are presented and analyzed in a structured approach and then this thread that throws out ideas and discusses them ad-hoc.

As such I started a new thread and brought those posts over.

HaLeigh Cummings Missing Case Theories - Structured Analysis

HaLeigh Cummings Missing Case Theories - Structured Analysis - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Perhaps you might consider reading Theory threads one and two. A lot of people put a lot of time and effort into their theories as well. Not me but I have read all the pages and there are some pretty outstanding entries on those threads as well.

 

[cyberborg]

I can't remember a specific time in Ronald's limited television appearances where any interviewer has opened up the floor for Ronald to speak or pass judgment on anyone in this case much less Misty. He answers the questions that are asked of him.

For the part of your post that I bolded, can I ask who you think is more appropriate to be handling the investigation into the disappearance of a missing child? I have no problem telling you who I think should be handling it, Law Enforcement. We are talking about a father that said that if he found who took her before they did...he would kill them...and he didn't care if they got that on recording or not. At this point however, if Ronald is feeling frustrated with LE's progress I can't say I blame him. Perhaps it would be in Ronald and Crystal's best interest to spend some time camped out on the sheriffs front lawn. I don't know that is just my personal opinion.

We all see things from a different perspective. I don't see what you see. :waitasec: That's fine.

I do not expect Ron to lead any investigation but I do expect Ron to be a vested partner in the investigation and also be curious, investigative and, contribute.

Ron has direct access to the family and can help LE. As was reported, like the Casey anthony case, it is VERY difficult for LE to investigate a crime when the victim and perp are in the same family and the family choose not to cooperate or be helpful in the investigation.

Ron does not demonstrate those qualities to me that he wants to help LE get to the bottom of this and so, to put it 100% on LE and not partner is suspicious IMHO.

 

[cyberborg]

Perhaps you might consider reading Theory threads one and two. A lot of people put a lot of time and effort into their theories as well. Not me but I have read all the pages and there are some pretty outstanding entries on those threads as well.

Please feel free to extract them as I did and consolidate them into one thread for analysis following the structure and format proposed by Bern. All theories are most welcome!

 

[elle1919]

Please feel free to extract them as I did and consolidate them into one thread for analysis following the structure and format proposed by Bern. All theories are most welcome!

I honestly don't think thats necessary. I just wanted you to know that there were additionally two former threads that contained a lot of great insight.

Thats all! : )

 

[debs]

I think it's a good idea, Cyber. I'll try and help you out later tonight.

 

[Skully]

Does anyone know of a book or title of a book that recounts a child on the run or in the Underground Railroad? I went to Amazon but all I find is the RR from the Civil War and the slaves. I know there has to be some book or information on this subject. I want to see how this works, because I am will to do another theory if I can get the details and costs, and criteria to get a child in. Most of what I did see, were news headliners about parents WITH their child getting caught. this did not give me much insight to the RR but did seem to support the mother went with the child or the dad. The children were not hidden from both bio parents. There was on case with a grandmother, but it was one out of many. So that does happen.

 

[Flossie JMO]

There are a lot of cases. When the name of one particular person was posted it was pulled so I won't post it but easily found on google and a big expose in Time.

 

[Flossie JMO]

It's been covered on Geraldo and in People etc. over the years

 

[Skully]

I honestly don't think thats necessary. I just wanted you to know that there were additionally two former threads that contained a lot of great insight.

Thats all! : )

Elle, I really love your input. Please consider doing one. We have so much information, I did a complete time line of Haleigh's day according to Misty's hypnosis. I am trying to find out why she is not telling the truth. LE is convinced she knows something. We are smart here, but if you write it out, you begin to see things. Like I figured out that the cinder block was evidence left behind. That is risky. So LE or the FBI has to have tested it for DNA, and if it came back with anything, they would be able to rule out all the people they took DNA from. Yes? Well they haven't done that. So that tells me, they didn't get any. It's stuff like that, it pops into your head while you are thinking this though. I try to imagine myself as the perp, that night, coming into that MH. Who am I? How do I know Misty won't shoot me. Everyone knows Ron has guns. Maybe you could put something together with the posts from the earlier threads.

Bern

 

[Skully]

There are a lot of cases. When the name of one particular person was posted it was pulled so I won't post it but easily found on google and a big expose in Time.

can you pm me?

 

[Flossie JMO]

My question is why the bio-mothers family members have not been cleared. IMO there's a reason for that

 

[debs]

My question is why the bio-mothers family members have not been cleared. IMO there's a reason for that

For the same reason the bio dad's family has not been cleared yet.

 

[Donjeta]

Does anyone know of a book or title of a book that recounts a child on the run or in the Underground Railroad? I went to Amazon but all I find is the RR from the Civil War and the slaves. I know there has to be some book or information on this subject. I want to see how this works, because I am will to do another theory if I can get the details and costs, and criteria to get a child in. Most of what I did see, were news headliners about parents WITH their child getting caught. this did not give me much insight to the RR but did seem to support the mother went with the child or the dad. The children were not hidden from both bio parents. There was on case with a grandmother, but it was one out of many. So that does happen.

The grandparents are all accounted for, I believe. I haven't seen Ron's dad give interviews and only a few clips about Crystal's dad but their whereabouts are known, aren't they?

So we'd need to know which people of the more extended family are close enough to consider running away with Haleigh but not close enough to have been missed by now.

 

[Donjeta]

My question is why the bio-mothers family members have not been cleared. IMO there's a reason for that

IMO, usually you first need to know which crimes have been committed before you can clear people of being part of them.

 

[elle1919]

Elle, I really love your input. Please consider doing one. We have so much information, I did a complete time line of Haleigh's day according to Misty's hypnosis. I am trying to find out why she is not telling the truth. LE is convinced she knows something. We are smart here, but if you write it out, you begin to see things. Like I figured out that the cinder block was evidence left behind. That is risky. So LE or the FBI has to have tested it for DNA, and if it came back with anything, they would be able to rule out all the people they took DNA from. Yes? Well they haven't done that. So that tells me, they didn't get any. It's stuff like that, it pops into your head while you are thinking this though. I try to imagine myself as the perp, that night, coming into that MH. Who am I? How do I know Misty won't shoot me. Everyone knows Ron has guns. Maybe you could put something together with the posts from the earlier threads.

Bern

Thank you Bern, I do have some ideas floating around. My feeling is that it would not be that difficult for someone to go into that MH and snatch Haleigh. I have a list of persons of interest in my head but I have mentioned all of them in other threads. I am sure you have read this right?

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090216/articles/902160910&tc=yahoo

snip~Reynolds, who was released from prison last November, was arrested in connection with a lewd and lascivious act upon a child younger than 12. The incident occurred in Putnam County.

Court records provide these details about the case:

On Sep. 3, 2002, Reynolds broke into a doublewide mobile home in Interlachen, which is west of Palatka. He was 19. He had a small pocketknife and it was late at night.\

He stole cash. He also used the knife to cut away a section of the shorts and underwear of an 11-year-old girl and then touched her private area, the records showed. He was sentenced to serve seven years in prison (with credit for time served in jail awaiting resolution of his case) and 10 years of special probation for sex offenders. ~end

I just can't dismiss this guy. I want to know where he has gotten to and I think it is only a matter of time before he offends again.

I will consider doing an full written out entry though as you have done. Tonight I will think it through and tomorrow after my little ones get on the bus I will try okay?

 

[Skully]

I found his mug shot on the FDLE website. They have him missing FeB 8th IIRC. He hasn't turned up yet. I thought of him when Somer went missing. He didn't have a car, but he was reported to have borrowed a car and it was found abandoned. So maybe you could see how far away it was from the MH. Things like that. Time and distance are important because we have a 7 hour window. Less if Misty left the trailer and came home before midnight.

Thank you Elle!

 

[kiki the parrot]

We have so much information, I did a complete time line of Haleigh's day according to Misty's hypnosis. I am trying to find out why she is not telling the truth. LE is convinced she knows something. We are smart here, but if you write it out, you begin to see things. Like I figured out that the cinder block was evidence left behind. That is risky. So LE or the FBI has to have tested it for DNA, and if it came back with anything, they would be able to rule out all the people they took DNA from... Well they haven't done that. So that tells me, they didn't get any. It's stuff like that, it pops into your head while you are thinking this though. I try to imagine myself as the perp, that night, coming into that MH. Who am I? How do I know Misty won't shoot me.

(snip) :thumb:

arrot:

 

[Skully]

I found this article on line by Mackenzie Carpenter and Allen Detrich.

some of the highlights;

Going underground takes some planning in today's America, where missing kids' photos are displayed in Walmart, Pizza Hut and on America Online, and where many public schools require single parents to provide custody papers proving they have leagal guardianship of a child within 30 days of enrollment.

The underground starts with a phone call- from a parent, an intermediary; a social service agency a church or even a law enforcement official.

"running Material" That usually means someone who is strong-willed and resilient, and with financial resources.

Families are required to liquidate their assets, which they will use to live on underground.

Before going underground, families leave a trail of confusing "clues," such as random phone calls all over the country, since LE will surely pore over telephone records. They are ask for cc so contacts can make small charges on them- again in stores in different States to confuse LE.

Over the years Y**** contacts in the underground have provided her families with aliases, disguises, fake passports and falsely registered vehicles.

The article goes on but you get the drift, you can google it and read it.

So I don't think Haleigh is in any kind of hidden underground movement, only because of the expense and her mother is not with her. I don't think Marty has disappeared off the Earth, but who knows. I wanted to just give a bit of what is involved in hiding a child. I intend to do more research.

I want to say that if LE hasn't looked into everyone's phone records or computer searches, they should, if only to rule this out. Unless we know where Misty was or why she is lying, I don't know how you can clear the family. I am starting to get it......:waitasec:

 

[Donjeta]

Thanks Bern...

It seems like it would be a bit expensive to go underground like that. Is there anybody with the financial resources?

 

[Baznme]

Elle, I really love your input. Please consider doing one. We have so much information, I did a complete time line of Haleigh's day according to Misty's hypnosis. I am trying to find out why she is not telling the truth. LE is convinced she knows something. We are smart here, but if you write it out, you begin to see things. Like I figured out that the cinder block was evidence left behind. That is risky. So LE or the FBI has to have tested it for DNA, and if it came back with anything, they would be able to rule out all the people they took DNA from. Yes? Well they haven't done that. So that tells me, they didn't get any. It's stuff like that, it pops into your head while you are thinking this though. I try to imagine myself as the perp, that night, coming into that MH. Who am I? How do I know Misty won't shoot me. Everyone knows Ron has guns. Maybe you could put something together with the posts from the earlier threads.

Bern

Bern, I could be wrong but I seem to remember an FBI agent on NG stating that DNA is not likely to be picked up on a cinder block that had been picked up unless there was skin tissue left behind. I guess you would have to scratch or scrape your hands before they could find enough to test. IDK though.