Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh ? #6

[elle1919]

Hi elle, After a brief introduction by a dark-haired LEO, he turned the news briefing over to a blonde-haired LEO without mentioning his name. I too agree it would have helpful to know his name.

Morning!

I have some time I will go and give it a listen. Thanks.

 

[elle1919]

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18693468/index./index.html

Got it ...S Hardy first...then Major Bowling. Thank you.

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

Do you recall misty being taken to the ER with stomach problems. A young woman reported it and she had talked to rc there. She asked him about Haleigh and he told her that Crystal took her.

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[Crosby87]

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18693468/index./index.html

Got it ...S Hardy first...then Major Bowling. Thank you.

Thank elle, S. Hardy is the Sherriff. I'll go back and add Major Bowling's name for clarification purposes.

 

[jimbo]

I ran across this earlier today and for some reason had never seen it before.

RC had only worked at PDM for three weeks?

No RC had worked there longer but previously was a day shifter and changed to the night shift 3 weeks prior. Just FYI

 

[bessie]

Nice first post, jimbo. I see you've got your facts in order. Glad you decided to sign up and start posting. Welcome to Websleuths.

 

[nomoresorrow]

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Originally Posted by TxLady2;
Thanks, but I don't need the video to make my point. Sorry you missed it.
What LE says is how far open the door was when they arrived, but that doesn't mean it wasn't further open before they arrived. All they can report on is what they see AFTER they get there.

I see, so in that case Ronald must have repaired any and all signs of forced entry that he claimed existed? (per/LE can only report on what they've seen and LE saw no signs of forced entry).

Ronald had come home, may have opened the door to look outside, for all we know. The point is, that door could have been standing wide open before he got home, and before LE got there, we simply don't know.

Plain & simple; my post regarding LE's public statement regarding the status/condition of the door was not based upon, or propped up with, "may have's" or "could have been's." Ronald & Misty, regardless of ample opportunity to state otherwise in the media, they have never claimed to have approached, opened and/or closed the rear door. Had they mentioned it, I'd consider that information - therefore I'm not discounting anything as there is nothing to discount.

He also said it was possible to see the glow from the light in the kitchen in any other room in the house, and he should know... he lived there

No truer words than these; "he should know... he lived there."

I just want to clarify that I don't believe every word that comes out of Misty's or Ronald's mouths,... but I won't discount every word they say either, just to prove my point.

Nor do I and that is why my post was based upon a quote; a statement made by LE - not my own speculative opinion propped up by may have's or could have been's,..

To me, it's not these little details that matter... it's the bigger stuff that is going to make or break this case, IMO.

The back door - specifically it's condition & status when LE arrived at the scene - is not a "little detail" in this case that should simply be discounted - Not by a long shot. And what exactly defines "the bigger stuff"? And is it real or imagined? JMO ~

 

[nomoresorrow]

No RC had worked there longer but previously was a day shifter and changed to the night shift 3 weeks prior. Just FYI

WELCOME jimbo!

 

[Crosby87]

(BBM)

I've never heard that Misty miscarried. Its my understanding that she told Ronald she was pregnant, Ronald curled her up in a ball, and then kicked her butt to the curb - it's been equally mentioned that Misty wasn't really pregnant. She simply told Ronald that hoping he would marry her.

It is alleged Ron physically abused Misty when she deceived him into believing she was pregnant; imagine what she feared Ron would do to her if she told him she accidently killed his daughter?

It is very difficult to comprehend and accept Misty hit HaLeigh and she died as a result if the blood evidence in the home was removed with bleach and Misty was deceiving others by acting as a loving caregiver in public and totally opposite when she was alone in the home with them. A witness at the bus stop on 09/02/09 saw Misty slap a child in the van, said she was tired of babysitting others children, and that very day Misty had to be coherced into babysitting the children by TN; yet near the end of Misty’s interview on the Early Morning Show, she said she felt ready to take on the responsibilities of a stepmom. A coworker of Ron's overheard Ronald telling Misty to "whip HaLeigh" which is brutal and unacceptable, when she wouldn't listen to Misty. I doubt Ron realized or was warned by DCF that hitting a child could result in death if the child's head made contact with an object and to be extra cautious when applying force onto a child.

 

[Crosby87]

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I see, so in that case Ronald must have repaired any and all signs of forced entry that he claimed existed? (per/LE can only report on what they've seen and LE saw no signs of forced entry).



Plain & simple; my post regarding LE's public statement regarding the status/condition of the door was not based upon, or propped up with, "may have's" or "could have been's." Ronald & Misty, regardless of ample opportunity to state otherwise in the media, they have never claimed to have approached, opened and/or closed the rear door. Had they mentioned it, I'd consider that information - therefore I'm not discounting anything as there is nothing to discount.



No truer words than these; "he should know... he lived there."



Nor do I and that is why my post was based upon a quote; a statement made by LE - not my own speculative opinion propped up by may have's or could have been's,..



The back door - specifically it's condition & status when LE arrived at the scene - is not a "little detail" in this case that should simply be discounted - Not by a long shot. And what exactly defines "the bigger stuff"? And is it real or imagined? JMO ~

Furthermore, the 911 operator instructed Misty to not go near the back door but to leave everything the way it was and Ronald came in the front door when he returned home from work so he wouldn't have altered the condition of the back door AFAIK.

 

[bessie]

Furthermore, the 911 operator instructed Misty to not go near the back door but to leave everything the way it was and Ronald came in the front door when he returned home from work so he wouldn't have altered the condition of the back door AFAIK.

The 911 operator's exact words:
911:” And another thing, make sure you and your husband don’t touch the door anymore. Don’t mess with the door or anything. “

But Misty didn't hear those words because she had said "hold on" while she walked over to check the door. The operator did subsequently repeat the instruction not to touch anything, but we have no way of knowing what had been touched before she gave the instruction. Don't forget, Ron is heard in the background moving things around. Personally, I would never presume that when LE arrived everything was just as it was when Misty woke up. But then I don't believe the abduction story, anyway.

 

[nomoresorrow]

It is alleged Ron physically abused Misty when she deceived him into believing she was pregnant; imagine what she feared Ron would do to her if she told him she accidently killed his daughter?

It is very difficult to comprehend and accept Misty hit HaLeigh and she died as a result if the blood evidence in the home was removed with bleach and Misty was deceiving others by acting as a loving caregiver in public and totally opposite when she was alone in the home with them. A witness at the bus stop on 09/02/09 saw Misty slap a child in the van and she said she was tired of babysitting others children; yet during Misty’s interview on the Early Morning Show, she said she felt ready to take on the responsibilities of a stepmom. A coworker of Ron's overheard Ronald telling Misty to "whip HaLeigh" when she wouldn't listen and I doubt Ron realized on his own or was warned by DCF that hitting a child could result in death if the child's head made contact with an object and to be extra careful when applying force onto a child.

Hi Bluesky! Now that I've been corrected and understand that Misty was pregnant and miscarried (after having a "WOW moment"), I can difinately see how that could/would mess further, and potentially lethally, with the already troubled, and drug-addicted, mind of a seventeen-year-old girl. IMO, Ronald and Misty were more than likely abusive toward HaLeigh and Jr. No, I don't think it was the undisputable type of abuse, such as cigarette burns which, IMO, has only furthered helped justify and promote the use of other forms of abuse by parents. I do think it was physical abuse that involved alot of back-handing, spanking (whippin's), and pulling by the arm, etc., not to mention the mental abuse suffered by being witness to the disturbed behavior/interaction of/between Ronald & Misty.

When I heard Ronald, in the Geraldo interview, state that he has an agreement with his daughter ("father, daughter...") and describe how he spanks his children just the way that DCF said was the right way to spank your child (yeah right :crazy, I knew then (for certain) that he was physically abusive to his child(ren). I believe (110%) that DCF has an extensive file regarding Ronald's Cummings/HaLeigh/Jr and someday, when we actually see those records (and I do believe we will - someday), there will be an over-abundance of evidence pointing to/toward the risk of a future tragedy occurring - and it did.

I look forward to the day when DCF will be exposed and held accountable in this case - instead they've allowed Crystal to take all the heat... shame, shame, shame on them. I'm not a very religous person as I grew up in a religous home rife with abuse (physical, sexual, and verbal), but there is one thing that I firmly cling to; There will be a day of reckoning. I just happen to believe that that day of reckoning is intended to happen here on this earth - not in the afterlife. I can/will never be content consoling myself with the thought/belief that if someone didn't "pay" for something in this life, they'll pay in the next one. When I saw Ronald's "Only God can judge me" sticker on his truck, I laughed. So predictable. Abusers cling to that notion, along with the forgiveness rhetoric. Those who rally around abusers repeatedly use those same ideologies hoping to make those who speak out about abuse/abuser feel bad and backoff or away from confronting the issue; from confronting the truth.
Re myself: save the logo's and sermons on forgiveness, don't waste your breathe and/or ink - I will judge and I do not forgive those who victimize children. JMO ~

 

[bessie]

Where did you read that Misty was pregnant?

 

[Crosby87]

The more I think about RC the more I believe he may have been the one that harmed Haleigh. In the midst of his daughter missing what does RC do? He proposes to MC. Kinda strange RC wants to marry MC maybe because a wife can't testify against a husband in his eyes. His grandmother gives her diamond ring to Ron for MC. The family throws a wedding, and RC's family embraces MC. Why would RC's family be in favor of a wedding at this time? They are shattered that Haleigh is missing yet they are partying with Ron, and Misty at their wedding. Perhaps, it was RC that whacked Haleigh in the head, and later in the evening Haleigh started to suffer from the head injury. There were so many phone calls from MC to RC on that night. MC could have been calling RC to tell him Haleigh was throwing up, and he said just clean it up with some bleach. MC calls RC again, and tells him Haleigh is sleeping, but in fact she is dead. Misty checks on Haleigh, and realizes she is not breathing. RC tells MC to get her inhaler, but Haleigh is not responding. If I rememeber correctly RC did say Haleigh had an inhaler, but he didn't know where it was. She calls RC again to tell him Haleigh is dead. RC calls his mother, and tells her about the accident, and TN goes to the house to help Misty. RC comes home plants the cinder block, and then they call 911. If there was a blanket it was soiled with vomit not urine.

Why would RC's family be in favor of a wedding at this time?

Gmma Sykes stated in an interview that R&M's wedding was a welcomed distraction during the heart wrenching search for her granddaughter. IIRC, she said something like, HaLeigh's family needed something good to happen.

There were so many phone calls from MC to RC on that night.

Based on what we know, Misty turned her phone off at 8:30 pm after she and Ron argued and he couldn't reach her for the remainder of the evening so they never talked again until he returned home. Ron called Tommy's place during the evening to ask if she was there and Ron apparently made 90 calls that evening from werk. The only phone call Misty made after 8:30 pm was to her brother Timmy where the blue van was. Misty said she woke up and after she saw the kitchen light on and discovered the back door open, she ran into her bedroom to get her phone to call Ronald who didn't answer because he was pulling up in the yard and that's when she said she noticed HaLeigh was not in her bed. A more likely scenario was Misty was sitting on her bed in their bedroom looking out the window with Ron's number programmed into her phone, waiting for him to drive up the road, and as soon as she saw the car's headlights, she pressed talk and Ron didn't answer because he was pulling into the driveway. Then she went to the door to tell him HaLeigh was gone. After Ronald returned home and was with her in the house, Misty called 911.

If there was a blanket it was soiled with vomit not urine.

Not necessarily; if HaLeigh died from a head injury, the blanket may have been washed to eliminate traces of blood.

 

[GhstTrkn]

Forget what the family thought about the wedding....my question is why did R&M want the wedding? This quote was taken from cnn "Croslin said she wanted to be together as a family, just as Haleigh would have wanted." WOULD HAVE WANTED....doesn't that speak out about HC as if she's already gone?? IMO...and obviously I don't know HC...but as with any other little girl wouldn't she have rather they waited until she was home so she could be flower girl? I mean, if I had a daughter that was missing and I had plans to marry I wouldn't do it before she came home...meaning that if I really had nothing to do with her disappearance I would be believing that she would come home and she would want to be a flower girl. I don't think I'm making much sense but I know what I mean lol...hope you guys can figure it out too. I am not saying that RC is guilty or innocent but is there a chance that he wanted the wedding in hopes that he could earn MC trust enough to get her to talk? Just 1 scenario.

 

[Crosby87]

I can certainly see misty as capable of harming haleigh. I don't think misty (nor ron) were capable of raising a feisty child. They can't even raise themselves.

You can see that misty likes to prove herself...just watch the drug tapes. She was given complete authority over those kids. If what we heard is true about rc and his parenting skills, he was a hands-on type and believed in corporal punishment to keep the kids in line. He also was no example for misty to emulate as a parent. I am sure she enjoyed her role, and not in a good way. She quicly learned Ron's way and what to do to discipline. This is just way too sad.

An extremely immature man giving a disturbed child permission to keept his kids in line. Is rc responsible...you betcha ya...regardless if misty did this by herself or not.

Whisperer, if it’s true Misty hit HaLeigh and she died because her head hit an object such as a table or counter top, it is in her best interests to listen to her father and tell her lawyer the truth; that she was simply obeying Ronald who was the authority figure in the home and HaLeigh's legal guardian and when she hit HaLeigh, her intention was not to kill her.

Even if Misty disagreed with Ron’s form of discipline because it wasn’t the way she was raised and believed children should be raised, she was still only the babysitter doing what she was told to by her employer and she may have been paralyzed by fear and unable to oppose him because he had an explosive temper and had physically hurt her in the past. It takes a mature person with a great deal of courage and an iron clad will to overcome negative influences and I agree with Misty that she shouldn't be expected to prevail against Ron if she harmed HaLeigh and she died because like she said, she is only 17 and still a child herself.

 

[4Jacy]

Whisperer, if it’s true Misty hit HaLeigh and she died because her head hit an object such as a table or counter top, it is in her best interests to listen to her father and tell her lawyer the truth; that she was simply obeying Ronald who was the authority figure in the home and HaLeigh's legal guardian and when she hit HaLeigh, her intention was not to kill her.

Even if Misty disagreed with Ron’s form of discipline because it wasn’t the way she was raised and believed children should be raised, she was still only the babysitter doing what she was told to by her employer and she may have been paralyzed by fear and unable to oppose him because he had an explosive temper and had physically hurt her in the past. It takes a mature person with a great deal of courage and an iron clad will to overcome negative influences and I agree with Misty that she shouldn't be expected to prevail against Ron if she harmed HaLeigh and she died because like she said, she is only 17 and still a child herself.

Perhaps there was a head injury, that doesn't mean there would be blood. Remember JohBenet Ramsey.

 

[Scorpian]

JMO, I believe something happened after HC got off the bus. She was at the house and something happened to her. From what I've seen happened since her diappearance, I believe she was accidently struck by a vehicle and the cover up began...either she did not appear hurt enough to go to the ER and those around discounted the seriousness of her injury or she was fatally (sp) injured from the get go....there was a cover up b/c of failure to act, negligence or a sincere disire to cover other sinister things going on, or what could come of this accident.

The 911 tape and TN have me totally convinced of this. The other players actions since then have just confirmed this to me. What ended in total tragedy (if HC is deceased) and what has transpired since totally fills in the blanks for me. JMO.

If LE knows much more than we, then why in blue blazes have they not done something? All we need is a little more info and we could have this sleuthed in no time...Guess they don't want to know. :waitasec:

 

[Baznme]

Whisperer, if it’s true Misty hit HaLeigh and she died because her head hit an object such as a table or counter top, it is in her best interests to listen to her father and tell her lawyer the truth; that she was simply obeying Ronald who was the authority figure in the home and HaLeigh's legal guardian and when she hit HaLeigh, her intention was not to kill her.

Even if Misty disagreed with Ron’s form of discipline because it wasn’t the way she was raised and believed children should be raised, she was still only the babysitter doing what she was told to by her employer and she may have been paralyzed by fear and unable to oppose him because he had an explosive temper and had physically hurt her in the past. It takes a mature person with a great deal of courage and an iron clad will to overcome negative influences and I agree with Misty that she shouldn't be expected to prevail against Ron if she harmed HaLeigh and she died because like she said, she is only 17 and still a child herself.

She's under his "spell". Saw it yesterday in the courtroom when she mouthed the words to him "I love you". Ironic that they are using each other for strength. If the courts had the foresight, they would never let them within sight of each other. Their quiet interaction with each other confirms that they are supporting each other with their silence. IMO that was not a smart but what do I know.

 

[debs]

I thought it wasn't clear whether they were in the courtroom at the same time, so how can it be clear she was mouthing "I love you" to Ron?