Theories discussion: What could have happened to Haleigh ? #6

[Whisperer]

Most people can't stand rc and would turn him in in a NY second, imo. No one has placed him anywhere but at the bus stop and his job.

Misty was the last person (according to her) to see Haleigh. No one has seen her outside of the MH. She will remain the suspect.

 

[Tinsel]

My theory::twocents: is that the cousin badgered the very addicted, unemployed, and broke TC into tell MC he wanted just the3 gun, and getting her to let him into the trailer. TC took Haleigh to the back door, delivered to cousin, who everyone admits "has problems" and is not a good person.

MC has been lying to protect TC, but is angry and sends out a lot of clues for LE to look closer at him.

TC is nearly hysterical in the recent tapes that the walls are closing in. Wife, LC, is bordering on breaking down too. She can't swear TC was home.

 

[Emeralgem]

My theory::twocents: is that the cousin badgered the very addicted, unemployed, and broke TC into tell MC he wanted just the3 gun, and getting her to let him into the trailer. TC took Haleigh to the back door, delivered to cousin, who everyone admits "has problems" and is not a good person.

MC has been lying to protect TC, but is angry and sends out a lot of clues for LE to look closer at him.

TC is nearly hysterical in the recent tapes that the walls are closing in. Wife, LC, is bordering on breaking down too. She can't swear TC was home.

When was this information revealed?

 

[GhstTrkn]

I'm more inclined to believe whatever the something was that went down occurred before Ron C ever went into work that evening or that night, and all the 90 plus calls were made because Ron needed to maintain control over the situation eventhough he couldn't physically be there and had to be at work in order to have an alibi..JMO

but if this were true, wouldn't it blow the whole....she was seen alive around 7....statements right out of the water? just curious.

 

[dodie20]

the problem with this case in a nutshell. everybody lies.

 

[GhstTrkn]

To find the answer to your question about the rallying around Misty I believe you would need to look back over the bitter and long custody fight for Haleigh and Junior between Crystal and Ronald. There were accusations that RC stole the children from Crystal, that RC abused the children physically (and pictures were produced as evidence) of the abuse. Those are just 2 things I will mention. If there was a sliver of hope that Haleigh was going to be found alive, there would be a trillion questions to be answered when she was found about what the best interests for the children were and where Haleigh and Junior should be placed. My opinions only.

Just out of curiosity, are these the same photos that were being discussed one NG one night by CS's atty? I thought that it came out that the "abuse" photos were not real...I mean as far as the abuse part goes because I thought that HC's school had come out and said that she had indeed gotten those injuries from (?)falling(?) at school while playing (or something to that effect). Maybe I really don't know what I'm talking about but for some reason I remember CS's atty trying to bring those pics up again after NG found out what the school had said and then NG giving her a mouth full because she was once again trying to pass them off as abuse pics. I really am just curious if these are the same photos that you were talking about or different ones? Going back to see if I can find something about the false accusations about those particular photos that I am talking about. If someone knows what I mean or finds something before I do please post...even if I have just gone totally nuts on this one and am not remembering something correctly please let me know lol. TIA

 

[GhstTrkn]

Here's one of many places I found reference to the pictures. I don't know what sites I can and cannot link to so if I wasn't supposed to link to this site please remove. Thanks!

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/28/haleigh-cummings-pix-dad-fires-back/

OT..how do i do a search on this site? if I go to the homepage, no matter what i search for, it tells me access is denied or something like that. what am i doing wrong?

 

[lonetraveler]

but if this were true, wouldn't it blow the whole....she was seen alive around 7....statements right out of the water? just curious.

I believe that the 7 pm timeline originated from GGMS comment that she was there and saw Haleigh and Jr. eating on the front porch. I have never believed that story from the start anyway, so it has always been blown out of the water IMO.

 

[lonetraveler]

Tommy didn’t approve of the Judge’s decision to award Ron custody of his children and he called him a “no count” dad along with other derogatory and inflammatory remarks. It appears Tommy judged Ron for not being a good dad and the bible warns us not to Judge one another if we don’t want the hammer to fall on us. Maybe this explains Ron’s slogan on his truck, Only God Can Judge Me.

Considering why Tommy is behind bars, Tommy isn’t a “better dad” than Ronald by any stretch of the imagination. Misty said Tommy was visiting with his children Monday afternoon which leads us to believe Tommy was an “on-hands” father, but in reality his hands were busy smoking pot. Tommy didn’t wake up to attend to his children’s needs during the night, wasn’t working to support his family, was into drugs and partying, was spending part of his income on drugs, was charged with reckless driving in the past, rebelling against his wife, and was breaking into homes and stealing. I think Tommy and Timmy’s judgment of Ronald might have motivated them to steal HaLeigh. Elle reminded us that Timmy also called Ron names so these two were not accepting of their new brother-in-law and neither was Chelsea who said she didn’t care about Ronald. It appears Tommy, Timmy and Joe did not respect Ron who was the eldest and they bullied him. The fact Ronald had a job could have irritated Tommy. I suspect Timmy, Tommy and perhaps Joe took Haleigh when Ron was at work and Misty was alone with the children and Ron never saw it coming. The squabbling that took place amongst these guys was supposedly over a gun but my assessment may be closer to the truth.

I must say, I just can not grasp that Tommy, Timmy or Joe could BULLY Ron? I can definitely understand how someone could not respect him, but bullying him? However, I can easily see where Ron was a total bully of other people. There are many stories out there where he reportedly abused Crystal, Misty and the children. There are also reports of Ron beating the heck out of Tommy, putting headless rats into Tommy's mailbox, as a threat. Pointing guns at C. Jones and running him off of the road. Putting guns into his mouth and threatening to blow Misty's brains out of the back of her head. Threatening to shoot whoever took Haleigh through the back glass of LE's car. PDM asking for the Sheriff to provide protection when they fired Ron, need I go on? I'm just having a problem absorbing the thought that Ron was being bullied.

 

[dodie20]

I must say, I just can not grasp that Tommy, Timmy or Joe could BULLY Ron? I can definitely understand how someone could not respect him, but bullying him? However, I can easily see where Ron was a total bully of other people. There are many stories out there where he reportedly abused Crystal, Misty and the children. There are also reports of Ron beating the heck out of Tommy, putting headless rats into Tommy's mailbox, as a threat. Pointing guns at C. Jones and running him off of the road. Putting guns into his mouth and threatening to blow Misty's brains out of the back of her head. Threatening to shoot whoever took Haleigh through the back glass of LE's car. PDM asking for the Sheriff to provide protection when they fired Ron, need I go on? I'm just having a problem absorbing the thought that Ron was being bullied.

& even though a fight over a gun may have taken place, these people don't harbor grudges. They were trafficking drugs together, after all. & Misty accused Tommy of molesting her & pointed the finger @ him for Haleigh's disappearance, but Linsey stayed friends with her-even called her fun loving, lol. I seriously don't understand how some of these accusations don't get under their skin. But they just take turns stabbing each other in the back, & then go party, & everything's fine again.

 

[Emeralgem]

but if this were true, wouldn't it blow the whole....she was seen alive around 7....statements right out of the water? just curious.

IMHO...Thus far there hasn't been a reliable source that has stated she was seen alive around 7..JMO

 

[newstome]

Just out of curiosity, are these the same photos that were being discussed one NG one night by CS's atty? I thought that it came out that the "abuse" photos were not real...I mean as far as the abuse part goes because I thought that HC's school had come out and said that she had indeed gotten those injuries from (?)falling(?) at school while playing (or something to that effect). Maybe I really don't know what I'm talking about but for some reason I remember CS's atty trying to bring those pics up again after NG found out what the school had said and then NG giving her a mouth full because she was once again trying to pass them off as abuse pics. I really am just curious if these are the same photos that you were talking about or different ones? Going back to see if I can find something about the false accusations about those particular photos that I am talking about. If someone knows what I mean or finds something before I do please post...even if I have just gone totally nuts on this one and am not remembering something correctly please let me know lol. TIA

Hoping to not start a fight here. Haleigh's Mother and her lawyer, went on NG,
with the so-called "abuse" photos, not to plead for her daughters safe return, but to again, claim Ron had physically harmed Haleigh and showed her "proof"
in the playground incident photos. At the time, I could hardly believe what I was seeing. A journalist and a lawyer, who were so anxious for "prime time" that they obviously had no medical person evaluate the photos.

If they had, they would have seen a normal progression of bruising and swelling from the original playground incident.

Because she was taken to the Dr. by Ron's family right away to document the injury, I wonder how many other claims had been made in an effort to change custody.

 

[Crosby87]

I must say, I just can not grasp that Tommy, Timmy or Joe could BULLY Ron? I can definitely understand how someone could not respect him, but bullying him? However, I can easily see where Ron was a total bully of other people. There are many stories out there where he reportedly abused Crystal, Misty and the children. There are also reports of Ron beating the heck out of Tommy, putting headless rats into Tommy's mailbox, as a threat. Pointing guns at C. Jones and running him off of the road. Putting guns into his mouth and threatening to blow Misty's brains out of the back of her head. Threatening to shoot whoever took Haleigh through the back glass of LE's car. PDM asking for the Sheriff to provide protection when they fired Ron, need I go on? I'm just having a problem absorbing the thought that Ron was being bullied.

I thought name calling is a form of bullying; that's why it is not allowed on WS. What do you call the remarks Tommy and Timmy made about Ronald? There was hostility building amongst Timmy, Tommy and Joe. Why did Ron call LE to report Timmy? Wasn't Timmy harrassing Ron? Why did Ron put a rat in Tommy's mailbox? We know Ron was bullying others so why wouldn't Tommy, Timmy, or Joe give him what he had coming to him?

I would prefer if there was a thread for each of the main theories in this case because it would make them easier to follow and read. Thank you.

 

[GhstTrkn]

I must say, I just can not grasp that Tommy, Timmy or Joe could BULLY Ron? I can definitely understand how someone could not respect him, but bullying him? However, I can easily see where Ron was a total bully of other people. There are many stories out there where he reportedly abused Crystal, Misty and the children. There are also reports of Ron beating the heck out of Tommy, putting headless rats into Tommy's mailbox, as a threat. Pointing guns at C. Jones and running him off of the road. Putting guns into his mouth and threatening to blow Misty's brains out of the back of her head. Threatening to shoot whoever took Haleigh through the back glass of LE's car. PDM asking for the Sheriff to provide protection when they fired Ron, need I go on? I'm just having a problem absorbing the thought that Ron was being bullied.

Just wondering where you saw that PDM asked for protection when they fired RC? I can't seem to find that anywhere. The only thing that I really found about him being fired was where PDM said they let him go 2 months after HC disappeared because of job abandonment....said he hadn't been back to work since she disappeared (not sure I would either for the first few months after if my child came up missing) and didn't ask for a LOA (which I would have done). Just wondering because I hadn't heard that before. *UPDATE...nevermind, I found it. They said they asked deputies to come by during shift changes in case RC was upset to avoid disruptions...or something to that effect. They said there were no problems.

 

[Crosby87]

I must say, I just can not grasp that Tommy, Timmy or Joe could BULLY Ron? I can definitely understand how someone could not respect him, but bullying him? However, I can easily see where Ron was a total bully of other people. There are many stories out there where he reportedly abused Crystal, Misty and the children. There are also reports of Ron beating the heck out of Tommy, putting headless rats into Tommy's mailbox, as a threat. Pointing guns at C. Jones and running him off of the road. Putting guns into his mouth and threatening to blow Misty's brains out of the back of her head. Threatening to shoot whoever took Haleigh through the back glass of LE's car. PDM asking for the Sheriff to provide protection when they fired Ron, need I go on? I'm just having a problem absorbing the thought that Ron was being bullied.

It's called retaliation. You think Joe, Tommy and Timmy are going to sit back and not get even with Ron for being a jerk?

 

[txsvicki]

Ron wasn't ugly towards Tommy before Haleigh went missing was he? If he did get into an argument over the gun in the ditch I don't blame him. He seems pretty tolerant and naive about the whole Croslin Clan. It amazes me that he does not believe the story about Tommy coming over to the trailer that night. Ron seemed to have seen it as an attempt to make Misty look bad instead of what it really could have meant. He seems to suspect Misty or Crystal and none of the men in the family or group of friends. That is not very much of a bully, it's more like someone who is easily manipulated IMO. He may be explosive and have temper tantrums with women though.

 

[Concerned Papa]

Just wondering where you saw that PDM asked for protection when they fired RC? I can't seem to find that anywhere. The only thing that I really found about him being fired was where PDM said they let him go 2 months after HC disappeared because of job abandonment....said he hadn't been back to work since she disappeared (not sure I would either for the first few months after if my child came up missing) and didn't ask for a LOA (which I would have done). Just wondering because I hadn't heard that before.

Here's one article:

After waiting two months to hear from the father of still missing 5-year-old Putnam County kindergartner Haleigh Cummings, the Palatka plant where he worked has fired him for abandoning the job, the company said.

Tony McCauley, director of human resources for PDM Bridge, said Cummings’ bosses never heard from him following Haleigh’s disappearance Feb. 10. McCauley said Cummings could have asked for a leave of absence.

“That never happened,” he said from company headquarters in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. “Without that happening, at some point they filled his position. He was released.”

This week PDM asked Putnam County deputies to monitor shift changes at the plant that employs about 120 people and manufactures structural sections for steel bridges. McCauley would not say if the company had a specific reason for the request but only that it is done in some cases.

“It’s just a judgment call you make from employee to employee based on what might happen,” he said.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-15/story/haleigh_cummings_father_loses_his_job

 

[GhstTrkn]

Here's one article:

thank you concerned papa. i just found that i guess as you were posting lol

 

[pip]

Is anyone thinking that maybe LC is helping LE in exchange for some type of immunity for info she previously withheld but has now shared? Several things are odd here. They seem to be protecting her.. she's not supposed to let the Croslins over, she won't let them babysit, she is withdrawing from Tommy, the detectives are at her house and she seems fine with that, she tells Tommy LE says this should be wrapped up in a few weeks. She also went to Michigan recently to visit Timmy and Chelsea? Do you think it was for a purpose? Like maybe she wore a wire for LE who were right outside and had "discussions" with them they thought were in private? (just like in the movies ) I found her trip to MI odd timing. I think something is brewing.

 

[Whisperer]

Maybe somebody would like to discuss why RC is outright lying in the search for his daughter. There is no answer except this is all an inside job. On this tape, he tells NG on March 16th that he has no idea on how things got miscommunicated about the sleeping arrangements of Misty and the children:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

On March 13, he told NG that all the children were sleeping in the same bed.

HE is the one that caused the miscommunication and NG should have been aware of it.
When confronted with the information that misty told LE (in police report) that they were all in the same bed, he says, "'Well, I don't know, mz nancy, I wasn't there when she talked to the police" ...WTH??? He is smooth as silk, crafty like momma. To make matters worse, NG did not confront him on it. They both get away with an awful lot on that show.

This was a week after his precious daughter goes missing and he doesn't know what misty said...and he marries her...come on now people. We have a problem here. Is there any doubt that he and TN are covering.

How anyone could defend rc when he is lying in a national search for his daughter is beyond me. These type of things just reaffirms that he is into this up to his eyeballs.

When misty runs away last Oct. GMA Sykes defends her saying everyone has rifts. Lest I not forget for the first six months, tn, as and rc kept misty well guarded despite LE wanting to talk to them, they would not visit LE to answer questions. AS welcomed misty back into her home. She had them get married at her home. I have to wonder why I even have doubts occassionally that rc may not have been involved..umph!!