Theories On What Happened to Caylee Part #1

[suspicious mind]

Didn't the "Lake Vaj" DW fellow live at Sawgrass and did the other fellow whose first name is also D (I can't remember his last initial, but you know who I mean, the guy who quit his job at the autobody place or whatever right when this all became public?) Hopefully someone on the thread tonight can confirm this for us, I don't know where the thread about these players went. I remember people showing and discussing on the threads how the interiors you see in some of the party photos are at Sawgrass apts.

regarding probable cause, I would be so surprised if the authorities would not immediately investigate the people Casey had been living with and those apartments where she'd so often had Caylee prior to the disappearance, all the people she and Caylee had been hanging around. Especially any boyfriends and their apartments and cars, and any roommates she'd lived with. When a child is missing, that seems such an obvious place to start.

I know they did an interview with a few of the people, and I think asked if KC had any effects there or Caylee did or something along those lines, but that seems to be it (unless they've done forensics there that haven't been publicized yet.) Some of the people I'm not sure if they've ever even been questioned.

Ya, that guy lived there 2 years ago and put a video on youtube addressed to people online who are talking about him, so I am sure LE is aware that he lived there 2 years ago.

 

[Pondering Mind]

IIRC one of Tonys roomies said on NG that LE did search their apt. twice, with their permission. Once to see if Caylee was there and then he said LE came back later to search, but he wasn't at home that time so he didn't know what they took if anything or what they were looking for. I have to imagine that they did the same at the other places. JMHO

 

[doogiesgirl]

The problem is no one knows where she took Caylee. We have Caylee at AL apt on June 13, taking a walk with Chritine on the 13 or 14, and with G & C on the 15 and 16. I say polygraph all these people and Lee too. They are the last known locations for Caylee. I never had any suspictions of the other two people you are speaking of, too distant a connection. But yeah, these last few locations, the people she spent those last known days with ---see who won't take a polygraph and I'd say you pretty much know who has something to hide.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Maybe in the heat of the argument Cindy made it clear to Casey that she was going to get custody and if she did, it would be permanent.

I have learned there was a DCF filing PRIOR to 7/15 (dont bother asking for link, there is none I can provide) They can neither confirm or deny this as those records are sealed except to LE.

I believe someone had reported Casey as putting Caylee in dangerous situations and they were investigating it. That makes perfect sense since both DCF department detectives are involved in this case. I have wondered from the beginning about that.

It is possible since Cindy talks of her therapist pushing her to make Casey responsible and there was a large blow up at the house on the 15th of June. Maybe the therapist filed the report because they believed Caylee to be in danger. (by law they are required to do that)

That puts a whole new "wrinkle" in the case, because "someone" had a lot to lose if there was abuse. It could have Casey, it could have been GA. The reasons Caylee had to die and no body be found may be much more than has been revealed.

 

[seagull65]

one would hope so..... (in response to pondering mind's post about forensics having been done in everyone's apartments and cars.) If anyone wanted to volunteer to a polygraph, they are also welcome, but I would settle for a little luminol and other testing in the apts and cars and general investigation/surveillance etc. Why take anyone's statements at face value? Innocent friends/acquaintances/roommates would understand this and would be happy to.

 

[Fuzzymuffin]

All the others "young responsible adults with the exception of Casey and all seemed to have a real life", and Casey a big leech that they couldn't stand having around? ... No indication of them not wanting Casey around prior to when the whole story blew open and Cindy informed them all that Casey was a "psychopath" and not to contact her, and AH discovered the alleged theft. Up til then seems like they were all friends as usual, all said that Casey was nice, nice to have around, that they enjoyed Caylee, etc.

I think there were problems amongst them prior to this whole thing breaking open. That "Equalizer" person seemed to have collected photos for a while and to have some very personal reasons for hating KC.

 

[doogiesgirl]

Well seagull65 it's been nice talking to ya, but I gotta go to bed. I am sure we will meet up again on some other thread, hopefully during daylight hours! LOL Good Night.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

It wasn't that she and AH were already sharing Caylee's care, it was in an email where they were discussing how it would be (in future) when they were sharing a place together, as per their plan. It was in an email (or myspace mssg) quoted on another (or more than one) thread. Probably someone here knows better than I do what it said.

All the others "young responsible adults with the exception of Casey and all seemed to have a real life", and Casey a big leech that they couldn't stand having around? I don't know where you get that...first of all, so their parents were still paying for college and providing them apartments and so on, big deal, that doesn't necessarily make them any more responsible or upstanding or anything. (Except AH, sounds like she was out of school and maybe more self-supporting with her job at Hoolihans or wherever, I don't know, I don't know what degree of financial support they all still had from their parents, presumably more than KC, I know the Glenwood apt was in the name of one of the friend's father, even though that friend was older and had worked. Anyway, the others had enough money for school and apartments and lots of partying and clubbing, and travel to PR and NY and so on.) No indication of them not wanting Casey around prior to when the whole story blew open and Cindy informed them all that Casey was a "psychopath" and not to contact her, and AH discovered the alleged theft. Up til then seems like they were all friends as usual, all said that Casey was nice, nice to have around, that they enjoyed Caylee, etc.

I believe if you read the documents which were released, you will find they all went to school and/or had jobs which Casey did neither. She was just playing 'high class bum" to be blunt. I knew people like her when I was in college. They were always leeching off any of us who had money and a place to live. They ate our food, and borrowed our cars because they were too lazy to work and thought the world owed them a living. We didn't get fooled by them long and I am willing to bet her friends didn't either and that is why she had to keep finding NEW FRIENDS. It is obvious from her my space how she weaseled her way into these people's lives. If you notice, all her OLDER friends were no longer her friend and all of them called her a pathological LIAR.
Even her friends from high school had her pegged.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I think there were problems amongst them prior to this whole thing breaking open. That "Equalizer" person seemed to have collected photos for a while and to have some very personal reasons for hating KC.

I agree...........I think that is why she had to keep "hooking up" with new people. She wore her welcome thin leeching off off everyone.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

one would hope so..... (in response to pondering mind's post about forensics having been done in everyone's apartments and cars.) If anyone wanted to volunteer to a polygraph, they are also welcome, but I would settle for a little luminol and other testing in the apts and cars and general investigation/surveillance etc. Why take anyone's statements at face value? Innocent friends/acquaintances/roommates would understand this and would be happy to.

My guess is most of the close witnesses have already taken polygraphs. That is pretty standard procedure. The only one who I have read refused are the Anthonys.

 

[seagull65]

The problem is no one knows where she took Caylee. We have Caylee at AL apt on June 13, taking a walk with Chritine on the 13 or 14, and with G & C on the 15 and 16. I say polygraph all these people and Lee too. They are the last known locations for Caylee. I never had any suspictions of the other two people you are speaking of, too distant a connection. But yeah, these last few locations, the people she spent those last known days with ---see who won't take a polygraph and I'd say you pretty much know who has something to hide.

That's right, they only have people's word for it that Caylee wasn't at such and such a place after x date.

I don't rule out anyone at this point.

There's the remaining mystery of why she specified that area at Sawgrass, and those folks she'd known at Universal. Could be an element of truth, or trying to lead police in a general direction so they could stumble on facts. Not that those people are presumed guilty of anything.

 

[seagull65]

My guess is most of the close witnesses have already taken polygraphs. That is pretty standard procedure. The only one who I have read refused are the Anthonys.

Let us know if you find any link or information about any of the friends/roommates taking polygraphs, I've never heard anything like that at all, but I'm not saying you're wrong. I heard that the one fellow DS I think the initials are, left his job and that a card was left for him by the police but at least the last I heard on the threads here he had not even been questioned. The questioning of the others in the 400 pg doc appeared very preliminary, but maybe there has been more since then. Hope so.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

could've happened even if she had gotten part way in the water, or walked thru swampy water to bury her. remember, the pants she wore that day were in the trunk , too. that's a shame CA washed them.

Yes, you are right...........also she had those BOOTS and other shoes in that car which I thought strange.

 

[not_my_kids]

My theory, my latest anyway, is as follows:
Casey may have been running drugs IMO and I repeat IN MY OPINION ONLY. She definitely had a lifestyle that would have made it easy to meet the people that she would have needed to meet to do this.
It would have explained the two phones issue, the comments that she made to Lee about why she was at Universal Studios, why we very rarely see pictures of her eating.
I believe that she may have been having Caylee swallow the baggies and help her out. Maybe the seizure early this year was due to an overdose because a baggie exploded. That could have scared Casey to the point where she didn't want to do it herslf anymore, but she was not about to give up that kind of money. So she gets Caylee in on it. The only problem is that when you are carrying baggies around in your stomach, you can't eat. When you eat, you stir up the stomach acid and then the baggies are eaten through and you die. And what is more annoying than an almost 3 year old when they are hungry? So she gets CAylee to swallow the baggies, chloroforms her to put her to sleep so she won't complain about being hungry, and then when she wakes up, she goes to the bathroom and Casey collects on the money.
If Caylee died from an overdose or from choking on a baggie, then that would explain why Casey is so totally unwilling to speak to anyone about it. nd if that is what happened, she could have gone to the people that she was running for and they probably would have disposed of the body, making it true that Casey doesn't know where Caylee is.
I know this sounds unbelievable, but I live close to Detroit, and you would be amazed.

 

[Pondering Mind]

one would hope so..... (in response to pondering mind's post about forensics having been done in everyone's apartments and cars.) If anyone wanted to volunteer to a polygraph, they are also welcome, but I would settle for a little luminol and other testing in the apts and cars and general investigation/surveillance etc. Why take anyone's statements at face value? Innocent friends/acquaintances/roommates would understand this and would be happy to.

Very true about taking anyones statements at face value. But, we really don't know (or at least I haven't heard/seen) that some of these people haven't taken LD or what testing may have been done and that info hasn't been released. Everyone involved should volunteer to take a Lie Detector Test, as someone stated earlier on a different thread, Jessica Lunsfords' Gma took one and failed because of the guilt she felt (from being responsible for looking after Jessica) but she to my knowledge wasn't considered a POI. JMO

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Let us know if you find any link or information about any of the friends/roommates taking polygraphs, I've never heard anything like that at all, but I'm not saying you're wrong. I heard that the one fellow DS I think the initials are, left his job and that a card was left for him by the police but at least the last I heard on the threads here he had not even been questioned. The questioning of the others in the 400 pg doc appeared very preliminary, but maybe there has been more since then. Hope so.

I don't have a link..........I am just saying that is rather standard procedure to polygraph the witnesses if they plan on using them in court. Most witnesses have no objection as they have nothing to hide.

I don't understand why the Anthony's refused a polygraph. They evidently do have something to hide or they would have gladly taken it to find their grandaughter. I don't know any grandparent who wouldn't if it would help. That tells me there is a LOT more to this whole thing than we have any idea about.

I am sure DS and all the witnesses have been interviewed, but they are not releasing the info yet. My guess is there is some very damaging information they are saving for court proceedings. I did read where Tony and his roomates told Caylee that the apartment was not an appropriate place for Caylee. (in other words don't bring her here) which I felt showed a lot of maturity on their part.

 

[Alcestic]

My mom was really close to my daughter probably almost as close as Cindy Anthony to Caylee. My point being is that my mom never would have bought the "she's with a nanny" over and over again without asking for a phone number, she would have MADE me give her a phone number or drop her off with her instead of it. I suppose it makes a difference if there was a huge fight on the 15th because otherwise it doesn't make sense being a loving devoted grandma and letting it fly that you can't see your grandchild. No, you make it happen, regardless. There are no excuses. I just found that rather interesting.

I think that if Casey did go to her parents house on the 24th that GA saw Caylee in the trunk and I think they got rid of her together. And didn't know that his wife was gonna mess it up by admitting to the decomp smell to a 911 call. HAD she known now about this she would never have made that phone call. Now they are covering up. I felt bad initially for Cindy but when she started covering up she is now more or less not giving Caylee the justice she deserves. If she knows what happened, which I think they all do at this point, or have a pretty good idea, I think they are just as guilty as Casey for covering up. If they came clean I would have more respect for them. Just call up LE and say "Hey, Casey told us what happened..." Just get it over and save herself a death penalty....

IMO

 

[seagull65]

I believe if you read the documents which were released, you will find they all went to school and/or had jobs which Casey did neither. She was just playing 'high class bum" to be blunt. I knew people like her when I was in college. They were always leeching off any of us who had money and a place to live. They ate our food, and borrowed our cars because they were too lazy to work and thought the world owed them a living. We didn't get fooled by them long and I am willing to bet her friends didn't either and that is why she had to keep finding NEW FRIENDS. It is obvious from her my space how she weaseled her way into these people's lives. If you notice, all her OLDER friends were no longer her friend and all of them called her a pathological LIAR.
Even her friends from high school had her pegged.

Wow, I read all the documents but there was nothing like this in any of them. Only RP said that Casey's mother had said to him that Casey was a psychopath and a leech to her friends (referring to the theft, presumably). RP himself said Casey had always been a nice person, sometimes told little fibs about unimportant things. And he had learned she had fibbed to her mother about working at Sports Authority, wasn't it? But nothing stronger than that. Now AFTER CA told him Casey was a psychopath and so on, after that point he said he could no longer be a character reference. But anyway, Casey had only been out on her own for a month, first living with a boyfriend RM and his roommates, no comment from any of them that she leeched off of them or was a nuisance while she was there. She only left there when she started dating TL. She'd been there at TL's for a short time. They thought she had some kind of job because she would bring groceries and stuff. They never said she ever asked them for money or anything else. The rest of your description sounds more like the popular caricature of Casey created completely by bloggers and Nancy Grace. Nancy Grace says that Casey "mooched off her parents her entire life". ha ha Casey was only 22-23 years old now, when was she a mooch, when she was a baby, or a school kid, or when? Since she was 21? Quite a few people of that age still have some financial support from parents, and you can bet Nancy Grace will still be paying for the finest education for her kids at that age most likely! A mooch all her life, please! The one case of leeching off of a friend would be the alleged theft of AH's checks. Of course there was the rumor going around here on the threads that KC might have actually paid for the Puerto Rico tickets for the others or for AH, so I still don't know exactly what the deal was and how much money was really stolen. It will all come out though no doubt.

Weasled her way into these people's lives? They were just people who all met each other at the club and so on, just friends/acquaintances. No proof of her weasling into anyone's life.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

That's right, they only have people's word for it that Caylee wasn't at such and such a place after x date.

I don't rule out anyone at this point.

There's the remaining mystery of why she specified that area at Sawgrass, and those folks she'd known at Universal. Could be an element of truth, or trying to lead police in a general direction so they could stumble on facts. Not that those people are presumed guilty of anything.

All of her friend's statements I have read seem to line up. Casey's is the only one which does not match. They even called LE when they first heard about Caylee instead of Casey, so they were really wanting to find the child. I don't see where any of them have anything to hide unless they did a few drugs, but even that if they tell it will not get them in trouble.

I think it was Sawgrass because she was the one or part of the ones who broke into that woman's apartment and stole her computer. I think she used that name because they had her computer and may still have somewhere. Who knows it may be at one of the apartments she "slept over" at.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Wow, I read all the documents but there was nothing like this in any of them. Only RP said that Casey's mother had said to him that Casey was a psychopath and a leech to her friends (referring to the theft, presumably). RP himself said Casey had always been a nice person, sometimes told little fibs about unimportant things. And he had learned she had fibbed to her mother about working at Sports Authority, wasn't it? But nothing stronger than that. Now AFTER CA told him Casey was a psychopath and so on, after that point he said he could no longer be a character reference. But anyway, Casey had only been out on her own for a month, first living with a boyfriend RM and his roommates, no comment from any of them that she leeched off of them or was a nuisance while she was there. She only left there when she started dating TL. She'd been there at TL's for a short time. They thought she had some kind of job because she would bring groceries and stuff. They never said she ever asked them for money or anything else. The rest of your description sounds more like the popular charicature of Casey created completely by bloggers and Nancy Grace. Nancy Grace says that Casey "mooched off her parents her entire life". ha ha Casey was only 22-23 years old now, when was she a mooch, when she was a baby, or a school kid, or when? Since she was 21? Quite a few people of that age still have some financial support from parents, and you can bet Nancy Grace will still be paying for the finest education for her kids at that age most likely! A mooch all her life, please! The one case of leeching off of a friend would be the alleged theft of AH's checks. Of course there was the rumor going around that KC had actually paid for the Puerto Rico tickets so I still don't know exactly what the deal was and how much money was really stolen. It will all come out though.

Ah........23 years old? She dropped out of high school at 16. That is SEVEN YEARS............I call that mooching...........as it should be called.

My adult kids had graduated from college and had good jobs at her age as did many of her friends. Two of my adult kids had their own homes by that age and my daughter also had a child and no husband. She divorced him when my grandson was less than a year old but still bought her own home.

Geeshhhhhhhhh I can't believe anyone could justify her dropping out of high school and doing nothing like she did. LE nor the Anthony's cannot find any job she had after early in 2006 and that one was only for a few months. She seemed to not be able to keep a job.

She STOLE that money from AH and no amount of her lying about paying for any tickets is going to change that. You DON'T take someone else's check and cash it. That is fraud. You don't give your cell phone carrier someone else's account number to pay YOUR bill.........that is wire fraud. She will not weasel out of all this the way she always did with her family. LE has her number because they deal with people like her everyday.